The only discussion left now is whether or not the Serb is the greatest athlete in all sports at the moment!

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"Is there a greater athlete in sports right now?" - Novak Djokovic's GOAT status in tennis beyond discussion after ATP Finals, says journalist

Tennis journalist Jon Wertheim is of the opinion that Novak Djokovic's status as the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) in the sport is all but sealed now.
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Tennis journalist Jon Wertheim is of the opinion that Novak Djokovic's status as the GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) in the sport is all but sealed now. The American, in fact, believes that the only discussion left now is whether or not the Serb is the greatest athlete in all sports at the moment.
 
Neptune said:
Nole achievement more than Fedal: significant
Nole peak higher than Fedal: significant
Nole opposition tougher than Fedal: significant

That is all one needs to know.
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Yes

Nole peak is definitely more than fedal which we have to always tell loudly. The fedfans can be deceptive. That's why he was called the BOAT before he was even the GOAT.

And his opposition is no brainer. Fed had free reign during his 20s. Nole in 30s has it much tougher physically. Especially now at age 34+.
 
Djokovic is not the fastest runner or swimmer or mountain climber or the strongest boxer or mix martial artist or as physically strong as strongmen or as risk taking+agile as high altitudes parkour artists, why will we consider him the best athlete ever ? Because he hits a silly ball past someone ?

Are you kidding me OP ? No tennis player is ever in contention for best athlete.

Maybe in your Serbia he might be top athlete, but globally we don't rate Tennis players that high.
 
Djokovic is not even the greatest athlete in tennis....... Being best tennis player and being best athlete are 2 different things.

Among Tennis players the best athlete is Rafael Nadal ..... Apart from his scintillating power and speed which he displayed at his peak, his body looks like a body which could excel in other sports as well, like for example I could imagine him as a footballer/a rugby player, or he could gain weight and become a powerlifter, or he could also get into boxing, not sure how much skills he has with the boxing gloves but his punches will have power you know.

So that is what you call a genuine athlete.
 
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Razer said:
Djokovic is not the fastest runner or swimmer or mountain climber or the strongest boxer or mix martial artist or as physically strong as strongmen or as risk taking+agile as high altitudes parkour artists, why will we consider him the best athlete ever ? Because he hits a silly ball past someone ?

Are you kidding me OP ? No tennis player is ever in contention for best athlete.

Maybe in your Serbia he might be top athlete, but globally we don't rate Tennis players that high.
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Tell it to Borg. Tennis is a elitist individual sport, it got nothing in common with group sports for the masses.

For now the greatest athletes are
1 Ali in box
2 Djokovic in tennis (he can be number one if he wins another Wimbledon and US Open title)
3 Soccer players (Messi, both Ronaldo, Pelle)
4 Jordan in basketball
5 All other sports mostly played in USA and the former colonies of the British Empire
 
I feel like the greatest athlete should be able to conquer a bit of windy weather, not have it turn him into a mug
 
Genie Of the Bank said:
Tell it to Borg. Tennis is a elitist individual sport, it got nothing in common with group sports for the masses.

For now the greatest athletes are
1 Ali in box
2 Djokovic in tennis (he can be number one if he wins another Wimbledon and US Open title)
3 Soccer players (Messi, both Ronaldo, Pelle)
4 Jordan in basketball
5 All other sports mostly played in USA and the former colonies of the British Empire
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Love this.
- tennis boy Djokovic is comparable to boxer Ali
- he’s not clear of him right now
- but the gap is quantifiable and is exactly such that winning one more Wimbledon and USO will be the thing that finally puts him ahead

From my side I reckon if Messi scores 73 more goals he will be level with Djokovic, and 74 will put him ahead
 
Kralingen said:
He’s so good that he transcends that. He’s one of the top 5 NBA players this season by all statistical measures at age 39. And unlike Djokovic his competition is other top 10 players of all time, numerous ATGs. Unthinkable
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Only in team sports can a competition not even play vs each other lol. But ok
 
Kralingen said:
He’s so good that he transcends that. He’s one of the top 5 NBA players this season by all statistical measures at age 39. And unlike Djokovic his competition is other top 10 players of all time, numerous ATGs. Unthinkable
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chosen/pumped one usually can have whatever clueless ones want to see.
 
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jl809 said:
Love this.
- tennis boy Djokovic is comparable to boxer Ali
- he’s not clear of him right now
- but the gap is quantifiable and is exactly such that winning one more Wimbledon and USO will be the thing that finally puts him ahead

From my side I reckon if Messi scores 73 more goals he will be level with Djokovic, and 74 will put him ahead
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How come 73 goals?
 
Kralingen said:
Please enlighten me with your NBA takes. I’m all ears.

What LeBron has done this season is nothing short of incredible, by any metric or standard.
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Whatever the clueless noobs may want to see.
Power/money/propaganda etc usually can create it and profit from it.
No interest in watching NBA.
 
Neptune said:
Whatever the clueless noobs may want to see.
Power/money/propaganda etc usually can create it and profit from it.
No interest in watching NBA.
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Lol so how can you make any sort of comment on how he’s playing if you don’t watch the games?

You’re just spouting nonsense based on absolutely nothing
 
Genie Of the Bank said:
Tell it to Borg. Tennis is a elitist individual sport, it got nothing in common with group sports for the masses.

For now the greatest athletes are
1 Ali in box
2 Djokovic in tennis (he can be number one if he wins another Wimbledon and US Open title)
3 Soccer players (Messi, both Ronaldo, Pelle)
4 Jordan in basketball
5 All other sports mostly played in USA and the former colonies of the British Empire
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Djokovic's records are something he accumulated over time......He did not dominate his sport in a way never seen before to stamp his athleticism in his 20s when testosterone levels at all time high for athletes That is when you are judged when you are at your top gear.

On the 30th Birthday number of slams

01. Federer - 16
02. Nadal - 14
03. Sampras - 13
04. Djokovic - 12
05. Borg - 11 (on his 25th birthday)

So what has your boy done to be ranked 1st ??? Huh ?

Collecting Slams later on made him GOAT but you cannot walk away with the title of best athlete, Djokovic being the best athlete makes no sense at all.

His body type is that of a long distance runner, that kind of people are never called best athletes, have you ever heard marathon runners being called better athletes than Usain Bolt ? I doubt that...... Athleticism is always judged in your 20s, not over a career. Moreover Djokovic is not that type of a guy who can dominate other sports, he has not proven to be versatile enough in other sports to be considered that big over Boxer/MMA Fighters/even NBA players, a guy who was 6'6 like Michael Jordan used to move far better than his equivalent in Tennis (Zverev/Medvedev) do, so the best tennis player is not the best athlete by any calculation. Certainly not Djokovic.
 
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jl809 said:
Love this.
- tennis boy Djokovic is comparable to boxer Ali
- he’s not clear of him right now
- but the gap is quantifiable and is exactly such that winning one more Wimbledon and USO will be the thing that finally puts him ahead

From my side I reckon if Messi scores 73 more goals he will be level with Djokovic, and 74 will put him ahead
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Not quite, I was born in Yugoslavia at the time when we were European (1989) and World Champions (1990) in basketball and winner of that time Champions league in football (1991) and Intercontinental Cup (World cup for club teams) FK Red Star . No one had more sport influence at that time in our society than Borg and Ali . We all played soccer and basketball as kids but are fathers usually dressed up as Borg and went to local tennis clubs to pick up models as a sign of prestige. Tennis was the most prestige sport in our society even do we were a semi communist state.

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Kralingen said:
He’s so good that he transcends that. He’s one of the top 5 NBA players this season by all statistical measures at age 39. And unlike Djokovic his competition is other top 10 players of all time, numerous ATGs. Unthinkable
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LeBron doesn't compare to Djokovic in terms of their current status within their own sport. Yes LeBron is older so it's not a fair comparison but LeBron post 2020 compares to like Rublev in tennis not Djokovic. He hasn't even been the best player on his own team since 2020 (and arguably wasn't in 2020 either though him and Davis were the best two players in the league in 2020 imo so kinda an unfair statement).
 
Kralingen said:
He’s so good that he transcends that. He’s one of the top 5 NBA players this season by all statistical measures
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Bit much lolz

PPG - 17th
APG - 15th
RPG - 36th
True Shooting % - 17th
WS/48 - 19th
PER - 8th
BPM - 6th
VORP - 4th

And his team is currently 7th in the league despite fielding a pretty good supporting cast.

Undoubtedly the best 39 year old basketball player ever though.
 
Meh. Dumb comparison. First of all we just can't compare an individual sport (like tennis) to team sports (like soccer, basketball,...) Comparisons between guys like Djokovic and Messi are senseless. Then all individual sports are different. Is it harder to dominate tennis, paddle tennis, table tennis, badminton, squash? Each sport has its own Goat. Maybe badminton goat Lin Dan dominated his sport more than Djokovic in tennis, IDK... I never believed there was an athlete Goat....
 
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