The only player who can beat an in-form Djokovic is Wawrinka

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The only type of player who can beat an in-form Djokovic is one who can blast him off the court, and the only player capable of that is Wawrinka. Sorry, as talented as Federer is, no amount of placement, finesse, trick plays, etc., can beat an in-form Djokovic. Well, the other way is to outgrind him, but only Nadal can do that. I'm a Federer fan, by the way.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
You got the thread title wrong. It should have read "The only player who can beat Djokovic is an in-form Wawrinka".
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The only player who an can beat an in-form Djokovic is an in-form Wawrinka, I'm saying. An in-form Federer can beat an out-of-form Djokovic in a minor tournament or in a best-of-3 match: that has been proven conclusively.
 
The only player who can beat an out-of-form Djokovic over 5 sets is an in-form Wawrinka. This was the case at the French Open. No one can beat an in-form Djokovic over 5 sets right now. Nadal could if he got his act together though.
 
thomasferrett said:
Lol, French Open this year was no way an 'in-form' Djokovic. He was tired from Murray semifinal and playing to about 40% capacity.
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Interesting, because in every other tournament Djokovic is able to play consecutive long matches and never get tired. He's the fittest player on tour, sleeps an altitude tent and so forth.
 
I stick with my opinion that Djokovic would have won FO if he carried the quarterfinal and semifinal performances into the final.
But just because Novak's 100% beats everyone else's 100% today doesn't mean the titles should be handed to him of course. Wawrinka earned that FO and deserves lots of credit. Same goes for his 2014 AO.
 
DeathGreetsMeWarm said:
But he didn't because Wawrinka kicked his ***. It's difficult to perform well when you are being overpowered.
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After Djokovic defeated the King of clay in straight sets at his fortress and then Murray, who played his greatest clay tennis ever, from that I can only conclude that something went wrong in the final, and I do not mean it was just because Wawrinka played great.
 
When Wawrinka is on and going for his shots, he will beat an in form Djokovic. But the he'll lose the first round at the next tournament.
 
DeathGreetsMeWarm said:
That's the only possible conclusion you can draw? I believe your thinking is symptomatic of a mental disorder.
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And why did you remove the last part of my statement when quoting? I said Stan played amazing tennis and deserved to win that match. But draw any comparison between the two players. Djokovic has been number 1 for over 3 years, Stan never even number 2. H2H 18-4 for Novak, who also leads in GS meetings. Grand Slam titles 10-2 for Novak. Djokovic is a better player and always will be. Stan displays wonderful tennis here and there once in a while but Djokovic's best tennis is still better.
Having a different view than yours is not having a mental disorder you know.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
You should've seen the Fed fans after Shanghai last year!
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So? Just because some Fed fans decided to go over the top after Shanghai does that mean that y'all have to do the same now? Do you feel it necessary to stoop down to their level? Think about it.
 
SpinToWin said:
So? Just because some Fed fans decided to go over the top after Shanghai does that mean that y'all have to do the same now? Do you feel it necessary to stoop down to their level? Think about it.
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It is one thing going over the top after Shanghai and completely other when going over the top after a dominant season, winning 90% of all biggest tournaments.
Who told you every Djoko fan was going over the top? I think they are not the ones who need humblepie the most...
 
No one can beat an in-form Nole. If Nole loses it's because he was tired or injured.

It is known.
 
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Is anybody seriously going to reply to this thread when the OP clearly hasn't any reliable memories of Djokovic's career or which players have actually beaten him since he reached his peak in 2011?
 
LMAO the arrogance.
I'm convinced you Djokovic "fans" must be trolls, no actual fan would try to trash Novak's name on here like you guys do every day.
 
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Seems about right OP. Of course, I'm assuming you're talking about fairly recent times (we are in 2015 after all, noobs). Only Wawrinka was able to dent Djokovic this year. With Nadal looking so relatively poor right now I understand why you'd dismiss him, but I wouldn't be so sure that he won't come back into some great form at some point next season and probably in time for RG. Generally, at tour level Federer can match Djokovic sometimes but cannot best him at the Slams. As for Murray, he's been conquered for the moment, with a glimmer of hope shining through at the Canada Open.
 
Murray could at AO maybe if he improves his stamina. Like 1 in 4 chance
 
Just the way Murray started dumping forehands in the 4th set against Djokovic in the 2015 AO final was concerning. Yeah he recently won a match but generally throughout the year Djokovic's tempo has caught Murray out at the latter stages of matches. Djokovic said in one of the pressers that he believes in his ability to last and outlast last Murray (paraphrasing).

It's really hard for Murray to muster the concentration to consistently live with Djokovic and his service games are often far more stressful; it all adds up in the end.
 
I think ultimately it's just damned difficult to break Djokovic down. His level has to dip, otherwise only Wawrinka threatens to actually win against him in slower conditions. Murray doesn't quite get there and Federer has been mastered even in his preferred conditions. Nadal renaissance?
 
Yeah good point...the issue is djoko is the best grinder in slow conditions without peakdal in form...Wawa plays a different aggressive game...the enigmatic type of aggression that works best on slower surfaces...so he has what it takes uniquely.
 
Most likely finals for AO 2016: Djokovic-Murray (more likely to be ranked 1 and 2 than Joe/Stan); Djokovic-Wawrinka; Djokovic-Federer; Wawrinka-Federer.
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
Just the way Murray started dumping forehands in the 4th set against Djokovic in the 2015 AO final was concerning. Yeah he recently won a match but generally throughout the year Djokovic's tempo has caught Murray out at the latter stages of matches. Djokovic said in one of the pressers that he believes in his ability to last and outlast last Murray (paraphrasing).

It's really hard for Murray to muster the concentration to consistently live with Djokovic and his service games are often far more stressful; it all adds up in the end.
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That's the thing.
No-one on tour really seems to have the ticker to go for it in a Bo5 slog with Djokovic at the moment.
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
Forgot about Nishikori?
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It's just been a hugely frustrating year for the still lost boys. I mean, the assumption is that at least one of them will come good and explode at some point right? An entire generation can't flop entirely (flop relatively, of course they are forging fantastic careers for themselves). But actually will it happen? Did Nishikori already peak? His fitness is still dubious and body still brittle and given how he plays, it's hard to envisage a long prime period for him IMO. Thoughts?
 
Nathaniel_Near said:
It's just been a hugely frustrating year for the still lost boys. I mean, the assumption is that at least one of them will come good and explode at some point right? An entire generation can't flop entirely (flop relatively, of course they are forging fantastic careers for themselves). But actually will it happen? Did Nishikori already peak? His fitness is still dubious and body still brittle and given how he plays, it's hard to envisage a long prime period for him IMO. Thoughts?
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Very disappointing year for Kei but watch him at the Australian open
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Djokovic2011 said:
Except one man!
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Stan can win by overpowering Djokovic, he is in a pretty unique position there.

Murray, Federer just don't have the mettle for it.
On a good day, they can outplay him, but once it becomes a grind and they let Novak play his game, they're done.
 
PhilStar! said:
Wawrinka is definitely Novak's toughest challenge. He's the 1 guy that keeps taking Novak to 5 sets in the slams.
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Not so. Murray has also taken Djokovic to 5 sets this year (FO).

PhilStar! said:
Novak needs to start taking Stocky Stan a little more seriously because he's becoming a hindrance.
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After this year, I'm reasonably confident he's taking the Stocky One very seriously indeed!
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
Very disappointing year for Kei but watch him at the Australian open
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I have got fooled by his Citi Open performance. He seriously needs to sort out his priorities. He can't play so many tourneys especially clay despite being a good clay-court player. He is a mini-Djokovic with little gas in the tank. Let's see how AO turns out for him.
 
Firstservingman said:
Stan can win by overpowering Djokovic, he is in a pretty unique position there.

Murray, Federer just don't have the mettle for it.
On a good day, they can outplay him, but once it becomes a grind and they let Novak play his game, they're done.
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Wawrinka can basically hit past the Grind Threshold (Djoko™). It causes the fabric of the universe to ripple.
 
Mainad said:
Not so. Murray has also taken Djokovic to 5 sets this year (FO).



After this year, I'm reasonably confident he's taking the Stocky One very seriously indeed!
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He was the indirect culprit for Djokovic's defeat by taking it to Saturday. :D
Do you think he will finish Career Slam before Novak by winning AO and French?
 
thomasferrett said:
Lol, French Open this year was no way an 'in-form' Djokovic. He was tired from Murray semifinal and playing to about 40% capacity.
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So whenever Nole loses, he was not in-form.

That sound suspiciously like the "Nadal only loses when injured" car bumper slogan :D I once saw in Timbuktoo.

Nole was not in form at Montreal and Cinci but suddenly found his form at Flushing ?
 
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