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Hirshman can match MOST #5's. There's at least one out there that he would be a very heavy underdog against.
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Hirshman can match MOST #5's. There's at least one out there that he would be a very heavy underdog against.
OK, so this is nothing substantial, just suppositions.
Baylor played the Sherwood cup a couple weeks ago and didn't even make it to the final, whereas Stanford won both singles and doubles. USC lost to Stanford too, and although USC is a strong team, I don't think they are stronger than Stanford. Stanford has better doubles, better #1, better #3, #5 and possibly #2.
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Sorry, I forgot that UVA's #6 would beat Stanford's #1 in two small sets.
I seriously doubt that. Virginia's #5, on the other hand...
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I think we'd all like to see it, but I'm pessimistic about the possibility. A lot of the teams ranked above Stanford have tough matches prior to the tournament. If one of them loses, Stanford will probably move up to the 7 seed in the tournament, and to the other side of the bracket, and I don't think Stanford can get past Tennessee in a quarterfinal matchup.
Maybe if one of the Texas, Florida, UCLA trio drops a match, and OSU loses to Georgia. That might keep Stanford in the 8 spot, with Georgia leapfrogging them.
Maybe if one of the Texas, Florida, UCLA trio drops a match, and OSU loses to Georgia. That might keep Stanford in the 8 spot, with Georgia leapfrogging them.
and UVA will win the NCAA title this year,.... like previous years.
Texas Tech is not terribly strong in doubles, but they won at #2 and had break point at 5-5 in the #1 match. I am not sure that adds up to Stanford being second to none in doubles. Virginia, Tennessee, USC, and Georgia would likely sweep all three doubles matches against Texas Tech.
A lot of teams "can" win four points against other top 10 teams, but often won't. Texas A&M "can" win 4 points against a lot of top 10 teams, but I would not bet on them if they play a top 5 team. Upsets happen, I just don't usually bet on them.
I guess we will see at the National Team Indoors.
I refuted this stupidity earlier in the Sherwood Cup thread. Baylor put 3-4 guys in the quarterfinals, and Stanford had only Klahn. I pointed out at the time that this did not bode well in dual matches, and you tried to re-phrase what you had said. Now, we are definitely talking about dual matches, and you are talking the same bad logic again. Klahn cannot win a dual match all by himself. Why didn't Stanford put 4 guys in the quarterfinals at Sherwood?
If you watched the match yesterday, you'll have to be honest and realize that Thatcher couldn't serve to save his life in this match up to about 5-5. I couldn't serve one first serve in, and he was double-faulting at least once or twice per game. Not exactly a great way to win a doubles match.... Still they managed to break back each time and win it. That's the mark of a strong team! They really won that match yesterday, it wasn't luck.
Ah yes, it was you... What I said before still holds. And you were the one who mixed up dual matches and best performing team in the Sherwood cup. If you still think Baylor did better than Stanford in the Sherwood cup, even though they didn't have one player in the finals (or even in the semis...?), well all power to you and your logic.
I really hope for you that UVa will kill all competition and win it without even losing a set.... which such an invincible team! They should actually all be playing on the pro tour right now, they would probably be ranked well inside the top 50. All of them! Even your amazing #5.
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I really hope for you that UVa will kill all competition and win it without even losing a set.... which such an invincible team! They should actually all be playing on the pro tour right now, they would probably be ranked well inside the top 50. All of them! Even your amazing #5.
Where have I said the team was invincible? Virginia fans know well enough not to gloat about any sort of title until the trophy has been handed over, believe me. We all know Tennessee and USC have got the talent to give the Cavaliers a great match.
I'm just saying if Stanford plays Virginia, Drew Courtney will be a heavy favorite at the #5 spot, that's all.
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ok i think that we all agree that klahn is one of the best players in the nation and that he has the chance to beat anyone out there. ok so that's potentially 1 pt in a dual match but it's not a guarantee as evidenced by his losses this fall. klahn/thacher are also one of the best doubles teams in the country but they can definitely be beaten as evidenced by their losses in the fall. but they could beat any team. so those are your best two spots as you say because they did so well at sherwood cup. in a dual match that would put you with 1.5 points at best. you have to win 4 points to win a dual match so the #6 spot is just as important as the #1 spot. put roger federer, and rafael nadal on the team at fordham and they're still not beating good d1 teams. but if you look at it from your logic then since those two would win singles and doubles at sherwood cup that fordham would somehow be a better team than stanford.
let me also add a disclaimer in this. stanford is an absolutely incredible school. you'd be hard pressed to find a better combination of athletics, academics, facilities, weather, etc. i think anyone would be lucky to go to stanford and play tennis for them. and their team is very very good. how good? top 10 good but i definitely don't see them breaking into the top 5 or hoisting the NCAA trophy at their home courts this year. also please don't label me as a stanford hater. i have no problem with stanford at all. i love stanford in face. i just want to have a logical discussion about college tennis.
Thanks for your comments, and your non-bashing attitude towards Stanford. I agree with most of what you said, but I'm not sure you understood where I was coming from regarding the Sherwood comment. This refers to another thread where the question of which team performed best in the Sherwood cup was asked. The Sherwood cup is not a dual match comp, therefore the word "team" has another meaning here than in dual matches. A distinction some posters didn't make. It's like asking who did better at the AO 2011: Serbia or Spain? Well, spain had plenty more players (at least males) but Djoko won it.... That's what I meant.
I know some posters will attack me for this analogy.... so I'll just add that, yes, it's not exactly the same, but this should make my point clear enough.
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No, the question was asked: Which is the best team in this tournament? This is not the same as, which is the team that is performing best in this tournament? Those of us who understand the English language know the difference.
However, the point here, which you refuse to address, is that you are now bringing up the Sherwood tournament as evidence of which TEAM is best and what their rankings should be and who should be considered a strong top 10 team, etc. So, you cannot deny that the subject of overall depth of squad is relevant. Yet you make the stupid comment that Stanford did better at Sherwood than Baylor. In the context of talking about where Stanford and Baylor should be ranked, and how could Stanford be as low as #10 in my estimation, that is false. Baylor put far more players into the quarterfinals than Stanford, indicating that Baylor has players below the #1 position who will give Stanford a lot of trouble. Your illogic is astounding.
Clarkc, you're taking this too literally. You should ease up a bit. BTW, your use of semantic is absolutely fascinating. Your ability to pick up such minute details in a tennis talk thread is a true prowess. Makes me wish I had gone to the same school as you. I didn't take the time to go back to the original thread and read the exact words that were written, but it doesn't change my point.... Please explain how you tell which is the best team in this tournament, according to your own words? Tell us how you determine the best team of the tournament (oups, or should I say, in this tournament?)? Which formula or rankings do you use to determine who's the best? Since, obviously, you choose to ignore the final results in this tournament. Because, you seem to forget that we were talking about this tournament, NOT DUAL MATCHES. Who's the best? The best ranked teams according to some pre-season semi-random ranking? Were you talking about the best before or after the tournament? Oh sorry, you meant the best of the best? The best is and will remain the best? Or the best according to the number of players in the quarters? Yes, this is what your post seems to suggest. Very interesting. So, from now on, the best team in the tournament is the one that has the most players in the quarters! We don't care who will actually go all the way and win this thing, right?
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I really don't think anyone on here is wanting to attack Stanford or underestimate their ability of being a good tennis team. I think if you are someone who is knowledgeable about college tennis, some of the posts you see about Stanford are gonna make you turn your head and say, 'how?, why?, or where's the evidence?'
A post that reads, "Stanford is second to none in doubles", is going to have me reply with, HOW? Your competition thus far has been weak. While Clayton/Klahn is a top tier dubs team, you need another court. You have two of your most underperforming players (Clayton and Kandath) on each of the other two courts and that somehow makes you top notch in doubles? I know there is always room for turnaround and improvement, but that brings me to my next point:
At this point in the season, nobody has seen enough, but the majority of people who post on here respect the rankings and interpret the results. After struggling against Santa Clara, and then beating Nebraska and Texas tech, can you honestly make a case for Stanford being the next NCAA Team Champions?
While you might reply, "it's easy for you to critique Stanford when you cheer for Virginia, Tennessee, or USC", but were respecting the current rankings and looking at each others results. That's all you can go off right now. While arguments can be made for certain players or teams, there isn't much wiggle room right now for biased predictions as to an event occuring in May. Having a discussion like this is something I'll be looking for down the road during conference play and post-ITA Team Indoors.
A post that reads, "Stanford is second to none in doubles", is going to have me reply with, HOW? Your competition thus far has been weak. While Clayton/Klahn is a top tier dubs team, you need another court. You have two of your most underperforming players (Clayton and Kandath) on each of the other two courts and that somehow makes you top notch in doubles? I know there is always room for turnaround and improvement, but that brings me to my next point:
At this point in the season, nobody has seen enough, but the majority of people who post on here respect the rankings and interpret the results. After struggling against Santa Clara, and then beating Nebraska and Texas tech, can you honestly make a case for Stanford being the next NCAA Team Champions?
While you might reply, "it's easy for you to critique Stanford when you cheer for Virginia, Tennessee, or USC", but were respecting the current rankings and looking at each others results. That's all you can go off right now. While arguments can be made for certain players or teams, there isn't much wiggle room right now for biased predictions as to an event occuring in May. Having a discussion like this is something I'll be looking for down the road during conference play and post-ITA Team Indoors.
Stanford is hosting Utah on Tuesday. Live cam available (and believe me this is a real luxury when no other top school has webcams available).
Who do you think will start the match? Will Kandath still make the team after losing nearly all his dual matches this season? Will coach Whit pull out his secret weapon?
Who do you think will start the match? Will Kandath still make the team after losing nearly all his dual matches this season? Will coach Whit pull out his secret weapon?
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Stanford is hosting Utah on Tuesday. Live cam available (and believe me this is a real luxury when no other top school has webcams available).
Who do you think will start the match? Will Kandath still make the team after losing nearly all his dual matches this season? Will coach Whit pull out his secret weapon?
Kandath will move to #5 and most likely Walker Kehrer will play #6 spot. Bradley will take a rest and prepare for his Big match with Gael Monfils on Wednesday night.
Need better match practice than #1 guy from Utah.....lol10isplayer
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also despite almost everyone's predictions, UCLA has won 4 first sets and I'm pretty sure they are serving for another against baylor.
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Bradley Klahn in the Bottom Half of the draw in SAP open. GET EXCITED.......
http://www.sapopentennis.com/ftpuploads/MDS.pdf
http://www.sapopentennis.com/ftpuploads/MDS.pdf
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And Here is the LIVE HD feed from SAP open so you can watch Bradley Klahn upset Gael Monfils Wed night....
http://veetle.com/sapopen
http://veetle.com/sapopen
'what are you talking about? Which tournament is this? Web site?
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I plan on sending in some Stretegy against Gael Monfils next week in support of Klahn. Any thoughts on how Klahn should play Monfils ? Attack his backhand and tee off on Monfil's 2nd serves ?? what do you think ??
I plan on sending in some Stretegy against Gael Monfils next week in support of Klahn. Any thoughts on how Klahn should play Monfils ? Attack his backhand and tee off on Monfil's 2nd serves ?? what do you think ??
Bad luck for Brad... he could have played a qualif instead. Monfils is going to be way too much to handle. But, you never know, Monfils can lose his concentration and give Brad a chance. Would be interesting to see how Brad handles the heavy power hitting of Monfils. If brad serves well, he could hold his serve at least, and see what happens in the T-B.
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It looks like it is free. You have to download some app or something...
http://veetle.com/index.php/home
exciting match going on between Baylor and UCLA... 3-3 all, and last match is to be decided in 3rd set T-B....
great point by point blog from Baylor web... http://www.baylorbears.com/blog/in_match_tennis.html
great point by point blog from Baylor web... http://www.baylorbears.com/blog/in_match_tennis.html
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UCLA wins 4-3 with the freshman Clay Thompson winning 7-6(8) in the third and deciding set. from the blog it looked to be very tense tiebreaker with both players committing a lot of unforced errors.
Taken from the UCLA blog from yesterday. Was that prophetic or what?
"Until tomorrow, Bruin fans, I say goodnight. We are all going to bed dreaming of being that last match, at 3-3, third set, and having the fate of the match rest in our hands. I know I’m dreaming of that and the guys are too. This is what you want as a competitor–playing against a respected and talented opponent, in a foreign place, putting it all on the line. I can’t wait until tomorrow! GO BRUINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
"Until tomorrow, Bruin fans, I say goodnight. We are all going to bed dreaming of being that last match, at 3-3, third set, and having the fate of the match rest in our hands. I know I’m dreaming of that and the guys are too. This is what you want as a competitor–playing against a respected and talented opponent, in a foreign place, putting it all on the line. I can’t wait until tomorrow! GO BRUINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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He can dream of losing to Stanford when they play.......i can see it now..........hummmmmmmmmmmmmm,,,,,,,,Alex Clayton in the 3rd set tiebreaker.........Alex hits an ACE at 18-17 and wins 19-17......
I plan on sending in some Stretegy against Gael Monfils next week in support of Klahn. Any thoughts on how Klahn should play Monfils ? Attack his backhand and tee off on Monfil's 2nd serves ?? what do you think ??
watching some of monfils vids now, and clearly brad will have to be aggressive, and don't fall into the long rally type of game bc monfils will win these 9/10 times. brad will have to use his great FH and be aggressive on short balls, and move his feet like never before! Also, of course, 1st serves will be key. Without a high 1st serve %, he has no chance. He served very well at the USO, so let's hope he does the same here.
I plan on sending in some Stretegy against Gael Monfils next week in support of Klahn. Any thoughts on how Klahn should play Monfils ? Attack his backhand and tee off on Monfil's 2nd serves ?? what do you think ??
If it's as good as the stuff you send to coach Whit Klahn will likely not listen. Be for you give someone your strategy, you might want to learn to spell it first, Mr. Standford grad.
First set might be close only because Monfils has never seen him play and the scouting report is light.
Prediction.
Monfils def. Klahn 6-4, 6-1. It could be worse though. I'm being generous.
Come on guys, let's all lighten up! There's no much chance that Brad will win this match but at least we can all hope he'll hang in there and play well. Monfils is #12 ATP, that's a all different planet!
BTW, Monfils has seen Brad play before...they played 1st round at USO 2010 in doubles and Brad won.
I was really surprised by UCLA win over Baylor yesterday, but that's a great win for sure! The Pac 10 is going to be exciting this year again, with 3 top teams fighting for the title.
I also love UCLA's blogs on the road. I wish the Cards and other teams in the Pac 10 would do the same.
I also love UCLA's blogs on the road. I wish the Cards and other teams in the Pac 10 would do the same.
I'm just giving Feddie a hard time. I hope Klahn does great and even pulls off the impossible. Unlikely it will happen, we'll see if he can keep it close.
Forgot about the big doubles win Klahn had against Monfils. As you said, #12 in the world in singles is a totally different planet. Covering the entire singles court against the Monfils firepower is going to be that biggest challenge for Klahn.
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"You can not be serious."I plan on sending in some Stretegy against Gael Monfils next week in support of Klahn. Any thoughts on how Klahn should play Monfils ? Attack his backhand and tee off on Monfil's 2nd serves ?? what do you think ??
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Kevin Anderson, an All-American for Illinois, beat Devvarman in the finals of that tournament
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Klahn and Thacher to shine in Doubles draw of SAP open. Headlines read :
Klahn, Thacher To Represent Stanford At This Week's SAP Open.
Additionally, Klahn and fellow junior Ryan Thacher will also be participating in the doubles portion of the event.
http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/020711aaa.html
Klahn, Thacher To Represent Stanford At This Week's SAP Open.
Additionally, Klahn and fellow junior Ryan Thacher will also be participating in the doubles portion of the event.
http://www.gostanford.com/sports/m-tennis/spec-rel/020711aaa.html
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