The POG 100 Club: Std and LB

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  1. jonestim

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    Tennis Warehouse has the specs on the Dunlop iDapt racquets, which can be 27 or 27.5 with the exact same head. They seem to have an 18-19pt difference in SW with the half inch. My guess is that it would take the SW of the Longbody from 334 down to around 315
     
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  2. B Cubed

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    So finally got out today. Was way too hungover to play, but still.... It still feels awesome. Got it with Prince Lightening, it was that or Extreme for the string job. It's ok, but doesn't wow me; the string. I added a little tape to the sides of the palette, making it slightly more Wilson like. And yeah, again... Just yeah. Thinking back to the 107, love how I can get a little more head speed on this. The power is always where you want it. Since there is such good feel over all, the stiffness doesn't bother me too much. And plow through, plow through, plow through. Yeah...
     
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  3. junior74

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    Stiffness rating is only 62. I thought it was supposed to be comfortable? Could be the hangover? ;)
     
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  4. B Cubed

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    Oh it is super comfortable. It didn't bother me at all. It's just interesting, you can sorta feel the head flex on some shots, but not the throat. But say compared to some other Prince Rackets or the OLD school radicals, it's a little more stiff. But yeah, so damned good.
     
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  5. junior74

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    Cool, man. I just ordered a pair. I am as excited as an excited person that's got a special reason to be excited :D
     
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  6. robbo1970

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    Welcome to the club. I bet you're as happy as a man who thought a cat had done its business on his pie but it turned out to be an extra big blackberry.
     
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    Thanks, my friend! You are so cunning, we could put a tail on you and call you a weasel :)
     
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  8. ae1222

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    I have modded mine a ton. I have them leaded up so the strung weight on them is 358g. I have two strips of lead tape going from 12 o'clock down to about 4 o'clock on each side of the frame, and then some in the handle along with a leather grip. Balance is somewhere around 31.5 cm if memory serves. Stable as a rock, now it plays like the old original graphite with just a bit more pop to it.

    And for the record I am "way below six feet" and still think 28" is too long...
     
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  9. danotje

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    I'm definitely in! I demoed the same racquet for 2 weeks and couldn't play with anything else. Control is incredible, tons of plow through, great spin, power if you can generate it--it just makes me play the way I think I can. I still have errors here and there, but my overall game now matches what I think I can play like. I liked it so much, I bought a second on the boards. I'm no longer looking.

    My setup is stock except for a TW leather grip. Feels awesome and looks the business. I also use Tourna Blackzone at 58. I've tried a couple of shaped strings, but nothing gives me the control that Blackzone has except the Prince Control string the demo came with. I finished the whole thing off with a rubber band dampner. Light, stays in place and you can adjust the dampening level. Working man's stick.
     
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  10. junior74

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    The racket(s) arrived, and I tested it for 5 minutes before our first match in a doubles tournament this weekend, and decided to use it in match play straight away. Went to the final, where we lost i three tight sets. I am sold. It is crisp, solid and comfortable. It does what you want it to do. Such a predictable response is really rare. I have never felt this kind of control from any frame before.

    I played 3 matches on one day, and didn't feel any discomfort while playing and no pain afterwards. I have seen some complain about the sweet spot. I find that when you hit outside it, there is no discomfort, the ball just gets less powerful - which is a very adequate response from a racquet. I wouldn't have it any other way.

    Played it in stock form, with overgrip and o-ring dampener. Signum Pro Micronite mains, polystar energy crosses at 53/51. No string movement at all, great control and nice low powered response. I realize this is the honeymoon, but it is one heck of a good one. I think this is a one way ticket ;)
     
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  11. robbo1970

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    Interesting tension. I have mine strung at the mid-tension at the moment, but thinking about dropping to 52 (I had a 98 at 50 and liked that, so guessed 52 on the 100 will be a fair match).
     
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  12. B Cubed

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    Actually thinking about trying a 15L string in it. I kinda want to see what a slightly denser pattern would feel like.
     
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  13. junior74

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    Been playing last night again, I love this racquet. It's like when I played tennis at 16, when I used the Prince Response, the same solid feel. I had totally forgotten how it felt like to use a racquet that reflects your input in with such presicion. Can't believe the bite on slices. And when you flatten out, there's so much power right at hand.

    I am really keen on trying natural gut/ poly in this frame. Just to see if it can get any better :) Any suggestions on tensions? I am at 53/51 now (Micronite/ polystar energy). I'm thinking Babolat VS mains and Polystar Energy - or maybe Ashaway Monogut Zyex, to make the guts move real freely. Any other suggestions for cross string?
     
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  14. Korso

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    I would use Luxilon ALU rough or 4g as a cross.
    Regardless of what cross string, I would string it 3- 5 lbs. tighter than your current string set up.
     
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  15. junior74

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    Do you mean both ways or only the cross, and for what reasons?

    I have had some trouble before with TE, so I use fairly low tension and this is the first time I have tried poly for two years. So far, so good...
     
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    The Micronite mains/ Polystar Energy crosses hybrid lasted about 10 hours before the mains broke. Playability was pretty good up to that point. I changed to my second racquet, which had the same set-up and it played a little fresher and better, but not drastically different. That one lasted only 3 hours. So I guess I have to try something else...
     
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  17. robbo1970

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    What tension are you guys stringing your POG 100's?

    I know its all subjective to the player, but I want to replicate the feel off the stringbed I got with a 16x19 98 head racquet I had strung at 50lbs.

    The tension I have at the moment is ok (about 58lbs) but I really want that same feel off the strings that I got with the 98 at 50.

    Do you think 52? Or actually go with 50?
     
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  18. carlitoo

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    Tensions I string with are:

    1) Yonex PTP 16L @54/53lbs. (344g. with o/grip+o-damp.)
    2) Yonex PTS 16L @53/52lbs. (343g. with o/grip+o-damp.)

    I find Yonex polys to be very durable (15h+) and soft on my arm. However with Multis (like PPA 16 for example) I would go ~61/60lbs. I break PPA (crosses) after about 8h.
     
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  19. carlitoo

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    Tensions I use I meant ;-)
     
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    Thanks.

    My question is more aimed replicating the feel of a 16x19 98 at 50lbs on the POG100. If anyone has any experience with matching the feel with different size racquets, any advice would be really appreciated.
     
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  21. B Cubed

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    Go higher for sure, 52 or maybe 53. It's pretty open pattern. I actually never would have gone for such an open pattern except it just feels so good. But, due to the mass and 100 it can still feel night and day different that some 98s.
     
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    I have been using the POG OS strung with volkl cyclone 16g at 44-46 pounds. I liked how they played but I wanted something a bit lighter & "quicker".

    I bought 2 used classic graphite 100s in 9+ condition that were strung fairly tight with "hard" poly strings (forgot name). I played with them briefly & it felt like I was hitting with a board so I left them in the closet for 5-6 weeks.

    I then had them restrung with gossen micro sheep (a cheap string) 17g at 58-60 pounds. They both played great with a very soft pog os like feel.

    I've bought 2 more and had them strung with Volk Cyclone 16g poly at 44 & 46 pounds. These strings grip the ball much better than the gossen strings & produce more spin & power. I prefer them for serves, volleys and overheads also. I have to take more care on my ground strokes because the volkl strings are more powerful than the gossen ones. I'm probably get one more Prince 100 & have it strung with the volkl at 48-50 lbs.


    To give you an idea of my playing level, I took a lesson two years ago I my instructor said she would rate me at a 4.0. I'm currently USTA rated at 3.5 and I've won 85% of my doubles matches including at the states & sectionals so I probably will get bumped up sooner or later.

    I hope this helps.
     
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  23. un6a

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    My POG 100 arrived today. Unstrung weight is dead on (315g). I will hit with it next week when i get it strung. I will try Yonex PTP 125 at 51/49 lbs first.
     
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  24. goosala

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    I use Forten Sweet 17 strung at 63 lbs.
     
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  25. robbo1970

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    I've gone for syn gut at 52. Feels good.
     
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    What strings did you use, robbo1970?

    I've been playing with 98 racquets, but I find them hard to compare, as the POG100 has a crisper and much more solid feel than the racquets I used recently. Did the syngut at 52 "match up"?
     
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  27. robbo1970

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    POSG. I was trying to replicate the feel off the stringbed of a 98 at 50lbs, but its so difficult to compare really because the 98 is 310g strung, even balance and a 16x19.

    But the POSG 16 at 52 is nice. The range is 53-63, but I've always gone on the lower end of ranges to get the comfortable feel I like. Minimal string movement at 52 though, I think it could be strung at 50, but 52 is fine for me. It means that I don't need to swing too hard to get easy depth and I seem to get easier spin as well.
     
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  28. junior74

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    I went up a little, to 55/53 on my latest setup, Micronite mains, Zyex cross. Plays very well. No pain. Good control. Good spin. Have played two matches with these strings, and they still perform really well. Had a little better control with the 53/51 (with poly cross). Power level is the same (zyex has more power than Poly Star energy).
    Tried a full multi bed at 53, didn't like it all that much. A little more boardy feel to it, and less control (Rip Control 16g). The response from the racquet died, won't use it again in these frames.
     
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  29. robbo1970

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    Sounds like you have found the set up that works for you, nice one. There are so many types of string and tension permutations, I just think its a case of getting a set up that ticks the important boxes and then sticking with it.

    It's the same as what I did. I knew I liked standard syn gut, knew about 52 felt fine, how that performs is then down to me and how well I play.

    I've just got the Prince Carbon racquet bag too. Goes perfectly with the POGs.
     
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    Gotta get me one of them bags!
     
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  32. un6a

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    Initial Review

    I have finally played with POG 100 (strung with Yonex PTP at 51/49 lbs) a few sets of doubles over weekend.

    - Frame is very predictalble, no hotspots, no unexpected flyers or others surprises. In short control is very good.
    - It have slightly smaller sweetspot than average 100 inch head size racquet.
    - I expected more plow and less manuverability. It is fast and easy to swing. I like weight and balance, it feels and swings similar to my Prestige MP, although Prestige is a bit more whippy.
    - Stability is good, no need to mess with lead for stability reasons.
    - Spin is very good.
    - I need a bit more power for my game, so although PTP is great control oriented string, i think that more explosive poly with good feel will be better match. For example Signum Pro Firestorm. I will also try to add touch of lead to 12 to up plow.
     
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  33. B Cubed

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    I've never really thought of it as a racket with a small sweet spot. Do others feel that way?
     
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  34. Soundbyte

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    Did not feel the sweet spot was small. Access to spin is good for the type of frame it is, but it doesn't come anywhere near the likes of an AI98, PDR, or APD.
    Otherwise I agree with un6a
     
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  35. The_Racketeer

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    This is a club I'm looking to join very soon. Been browsing for a used one lately cuz the love for the 100sq" reboot is too hard to ignore.
     
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  36. junior74

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    No, I find the sweet spot to be pretty normal. I love that off-centre shots does not lead to harsh vibrations. In this sense it is actually pretty forgiving, I think.
     
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  37. TobyTopspin

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    I did think it was small, but it was most likely due to the string and high tension it was strung at. I tried the longbody and didn't think it was small at all so I'm assuming it was the strings/tension. Great stick though!
     
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  38. un6a

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    I had another seesion with it. I added 0.5g to 12, but i didn't feel any difference. I will add more next time.
    I really like hitting with the racquet, but i think it needs more lively string than PTP.
    When i changed to Prestige i got same level of control, but with more power and better feel. Prestige is actually strung with Pro Line II 1.15, which is thinner and much more lively string than PTP.
    Soft, explosive poly in 1.25 diameter should work very well in POG 100.
     
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  39. B Cubed

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    I've been toying with using a 15 gauge string. Last time I played with Prince Tourna Nylon, I was surprised at the pop off it. I also like the idea of see how it will play with a slightly more closed string bed. Also have Toa 66 on deck if I want to go firm straight 15g.
     
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  40. robbo1970

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    I've been using POSG 16 at 50lbs. Works a treat on all aspects.
     
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    I have tried different hybrids with multi in the mains, and, big surpise, durability is not good, but playability is.
    I'll try poly mains/ Zyex cross next - and if that works for my elbow, I'll go all poly at very low tension.
    Anyone tried that in this frame? Sub 40 style?
     
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    Ok, so I got it strung with Polystar Energy mains/ Zyex crosses at 37 ibs (which had dropped to 30 at the end of the session).
    Have to say wow! Great control (much better than full multi at 55), controllable power, big sweet spot. Could find my targets better than I normally do. Consistency improved an awful lot. Spin was very good. The zyex cross left small marks on the poly in the centre of the racket, so zyex is really tough in that departement. The marks were barely visible though.
    I had to put a little more power into my strokes to get depth, and I also had to adjust my angle a little to get more net clearence. Once adjusted, the control and consistency was amazing. It's like a different game...
    I got a little less power on serve. Touch was pretty good, but a little less responsive than multis.
    I didn't go to the net much, because it was so much fun to hang at the baseline with this setup. I could hit crazy angles at will and felt in very much in control.
    It felt "deader" than my multi mains setup, but not stiff. I didn't feel any pain other than the usual tiredness in the elbow (I always get that, even after only 10 minutes of hitting). Very excited to see how it performs the next time.

    After the 2nd outing with the poly setup, I felt a lot of pain, especially in the shoulder. Damn. If my body could deal with polys, I would most definately use them, at low tensions. The sensation when you really swing out, and the ball gets both pace and the "bitey" spin that you don't get from other strings, is special - and addictive, I guess. It was fun for a couple of hours. Time to cut them out.
     
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  43. un6a

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    Update

    I Really like the frame, tried add a little bit of lead, but i like it best in stock form. Fast and stable, very versatile racquet. I don't bring other racquets to courts anymore. Exception is Youtek Prestige MP, which is only one that can rival POG qualities.

    I'm not 100% satisfied with Yonex PTP 1.25 though. Control and durability is good, but feel and tension maintenance can be better. Feel is too muted and string lose too much tension after 5-6 hours of play. I'm thinking about Prince Beast XP or SP Firestorm, but dunno which gauge.Maybe this frame need 16g for better tension holding.
     
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  44. robbo1970

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    Worth a try. The fact that its a fairly open 16x18 gives you that option. I use a 16g.

    I use mine in stock form too, except for the grip, had to get rid of that resi-pro, blurg.
     
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    The only draw back I've ever had with POGs is how open they are. It of course never hurt when I needed spin. But I'm checking out mine with some 15L PTN this weekend. I'll be interested to see the feel. I think it might play a little bit like an old school graphite radical, since the pattern will be slightly more closed. I also have a packet of Toalson 66 on deck, which is stiffer and straight 15. That's the one that will pique my curiosity. Never played with it, but I hear it keeps tension awesome and doesn't move much. I wouldn't mind poly quality in a string that will keep tension. I go tight, 61 lbs on my current job.
     
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  46. B Cubed

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    So, I'm curious, my old stick back in the day was the POG oversize. Who on here has played with both in recent times, 100 and OS, and how much of a difference in power is there really? I'd figured the extra speed generated with a small head and slightly lighter frame would ultimately make the 100 sorta even out. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
     
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  47. Phil Hartman

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    I switched from the OS (the Tour version), which I used for about 2 years, to the 100 recently. I think that's a pretty fair assessment that they're not that different. The biggest difference I've noticed is on serve, where you can really crank it up with the OS
     
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  48. Soundbyte

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    I played with both recently, but have moved on. I think the POG OS has more power across the board. Not a ton more, but enough to notice it. And I agree with the above poster, the POG OS is much better on serve than the POG100.

    Overall, I liked the POG OS better than the POG 100 is every category, other than heft.
     
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    I've been using this for the past month with Volkl V-Pro 18g at 53lbs. I still feel a lack of power in the frame. Would you recommend some lead at the tip or a lower string tension or softer string?

    I'm looking to get a bit of put-away power. I'm close, but just not there yet.
     
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    Me too (see signature). I start my demos thinking the 100 would be the one, but I couldn't find any one area where the 100 was worlds better. The OS is just perfection for my game....and yes you can bring the heat with it as well.
     
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