The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

The DR98 (discontinued now and replaced by the ezone version) was 325: http://tennisnerd.net/gear/racquets/racquet-reviews/racquet-review-yonex-dr-98/3959
Can't find it on the TW site any more.
Hits well...just feels sluggish to me still :-(
Actually, I was wrong... on my stick, it says average weight 310g... maybe tennisnerd was talking strung weight and maybe tennisnerd started with a lighter version... I guess it also depends on what strings you use...

Anyway, back to the Prince 93P
 
From what you just said, it would seem that the video reviews have more transparency built in.
I agree with mad dog, on top of that the written reviews have more depth and touch on frames that they compare against and also their shortcomings. In the video its often very brief and touch more on the frames strengths instead. As they are released after the videos they also have more time to think about how they really feel about the frame.
 
Just finished an hour of private lessons with the 93P. I'm going to try and be as tempered as possible, but I will at least start off by saying I enjoyed playing with this frame a whole lot.

My coach was aware that I bought this racquet so we started off the session assuming that I would need some time adjusting to it. He suggested starting with baseline rallying and some points to 11, then go into feeding drills if it looked like I needed to work on mechanic adjustments.

No adjustments needed on groundstrokes. My coach said he didn't feel the need to do any feeding as he did not notice any drop off in the way I was hitting the ball. I was initially concerned that the stock frame I got would be too head light. It does feel a little heavier on the handle but plowthrough was there and I was getting deep shots in and very good angles. He also commented that topspin was there on demand and did not notice any drop off in that department compared to my Yonex SV95. I use a semi-western grip.

There is something about this racquet that puts me in a mindset of relaxing more into my shots rather than trying to whip it up and arm my strokes. This helped me tremendously in producing better groundstrokes. My coach noted that my unforced errors were way less today and the "less is more" approach to my strokes is something that we have been working on for quite a long time. It did not feel whippy at all despite the head lightedness and I felt a lot more fluid. I'm not sure really what to attribute it to, but perhaps there is something about the combination of head lightedness (at 31.0cm I believe it is more than 10 points HL?) while maintaining a good swingweight. Can I produce the same kind of results with the SV95? Probably, but I can't explain it, there is something about the way the racquet "feels" for me (subjective, yes) that makes it easier for me to relax my arms more and let the racquet do the work for me. Full bed of poly was also no problem - zero arm discomfort, between the flex and 180 recoil weight.

I had a little difficulty adjusting to the serve, however. But again, I think I've gotten used to a certain degree of depending on my arms to produce spin and I had to relax more to keep the ball in. But when I hit the right kind of serve, the kick was definitely noticeable. Definitely something I'll have to try to dial in.

My coach also noticed me going into the slice backhand more than normal vs my 2 hander, and he thinks it's a good thing for my game.



Yes! And I'm glad I did. I just put an overgrip, and I didn't put in my dampener because it was stretching out my middle two main strings. I borrowed my coach's Sampras dampener, which fit fine, but it felt too muted and I didn't like it. He suggested I move the dampener lower and it felt better, but I still preferred it with no dampener. I may try a rubber band next time. Also thought about thinner gauge strings but based on how well I played today and how much I enjoyed the experience, I don't feel like I should change anything. Only thing I'll be looking for is how long the Tour Bite Soft 17 lasts.

I want to try and avoid the "internet hyperbole" thing, but I really, really like this racquet. I'm sure it's not for everyone, but there was a specific appeal for me and I'm extremely happy with it.
These positive reviews are killing me. Still waiting for the 5/8 to arrive
 
Yeah, no Dunlop Sixgun, no nice Prince 93, none of the many Japan exclusives, no Yonex + frames, etc.

We really pulled the crap card
Hi STW, es muss doch eine Möglichkeit geben irgendwie an diese Keulen zu kommen! Du sprichst ja gut Englisch, gibt es hier nicht jemanden im Forum aus US, den du vielleicht näher kennst? Und über den das Shipping dann irgendwie laufen könnte? Grüße Maurizio
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I have been loving the slice with it. Had a guy tell me that shot was killing him. I believe he said I would win a lot of matches combining that with my forehand. The funny thing is I just really developed a slice backhand over the past 2 years.

The other thing that is standout is the FH squash shot. I have a ton of confidence with that one as well.

Realized over the year with the PA how much I used slice as a weapon. That was another reason I really was fired up for this frame. I was simply never able to dial the slice in s easily with the Babolat. Definitely my issue, but the tight pattern just makes it easier for me.
 
I have been loving the slice with it. Had a guy tell me that shot was killing him. I believe he said I would win a lot of matches combining that with my forehand. The funny thing is I just really developed a slice backhand over the past 2 years.

The other thing that is standout is the FH squash shot. I have a ton of confidence with that one as well.

Realized over the year with the PA how much I used slice as a weapon. That was another reason I really was fired up for this frame. I was simply never able to dial the slice in s easily with the Babolat. Definitely my issue, but the tight pattern just makes it easier for me.
My slices tend to float too much with open patterns. With 18/20s, i find it’s much easier to keep the ball down and skidding through the court.
 
Long time Wilson 90 user here - just got a TW-matched pair of these babies! Unfortunately, will be another week before I can hit with them.

It’s already been noted that these phantoms are round, but I wanted to post the 9-3 measurement in comparison to other sticks for reference. The 93 has a wider string bed than the RF. When combined with the thin beam, seems like shanking on sharp angled cuts would take some effort:

Wilson 90: 9 inches even
Wilson 6.1 95: 9 3/16
Wilson RF97: 9 3/8
Prince 93P: 9 1/2
 
Long time Wilson 90 user here - just got a TW-matched pair of these babies! Unfortunately, will be another week before I can hit with them.

It’s already been noted that these phantoms are round, but I wanted to post the 9-3 measurement in comparison to other sticks for reference. The 93 has a wider string bed than the RF. When combined with the thin beam, seems like shanking on sharp angled cuts would take some effort:

Wilson 90: 9 inches even
Wilson 6.1 95: 9 3/16
Wilson RF97: 9 3/8
Prince 93P: 9 1/2
Thanks for the measurement. Should be similar to my TC95 and narrower than the TC97. With the shorter head length will be nice all over the court. Pro staffs have that narrower profile which is great but need to be really dialled in to properly utilize. They are also deceptive due to PWS which takes a cm or so out of the PS90 tour I have.
 
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Spent some time on the court with the wife today, and she also commented that I looked like I was playing more comfortable tennis and my consistency was much better. This racquet is just clicking for me in all the right ways and I want to keep playing with it and get better at tennis with it.

Wife had to take a call midway and I wanted to practice serving because I am still working on dialing in my serves with this racquet. She used my phone to take a few seconds of video of my second serves, but I had to edit out the sound since she was on the phone at the same time.

Disclaimer - this footage is definitely not as riveting as some of the other players who post videos here, and I'm sure this isn't the best example of the racquet's serve potential, but hopefully it can at least provide some real time information for others who might be thinking about getting it. Hopefully I don't end up embarrassing myself too much in the process. :confused:

(and please don't mind the channel name, they are my dogs names :) )

 
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how long does 19 g poly hold tension/playability for you?
So just to revisit this question - popped Cyclone 19g in the middle-upper part of the center main within about 7 hours, which is faster than usual. Upside is it was playable throughout (it's 30 min before popping in my video).


I think I'll string up 17g natural gut - 18g poly hybrid next.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
So just to revisit this question - popped Cyclone 19g in the middle-upper part of the center main within about 7 hours, which is faster than usual. Upside is it was playable throughout (it's 30 min before popping in my video).


I think I'll string up 17g natural gut - 18g poly hybrid next.
Nice. I can tell you that 1.25 poly at 40#s works fantastically.
 
I have been loving the slice with it. Had a guy tell me that shot was killing him. I believe he said I would win a lot of matches combining that with my forehand. The funny thing is I just really developed a slice backhand over the past 2 years.

The other thing that is standout is the FH squash shot. I have a ton of confidence with that one as well.

Realized over the year with the PA how much I used slice as a weapon. That was another reason I really was fired up for this frame. I was simply never able to dial the slice in s easily with the Babolat. Definitely my issue, but the tight pattern just makes it easier for me.
Yeah I almost never hit slices when I played with the Pure Drive. Came back to it a bit with my Blade but I really like it with the Phantom 100. The thin beam I think really makes it an easy shot to perfect. I think the 18x20 pattern on the 93P would help even more with control and skidding court behaviour.
 
Tested the 93P at the TW demo court at IW and thought it was rubbish initially. I decided to give it another chance and bought one from TW last week. Tried it out today back to back with my recently acquired VCore Pro 97 330g, Angell K7 Red, and the 2018 PD Tour+. I really like the feel of the 93P. Strung it with Cyclone 19 at 46lbs. Hits a heavy ball with relatively high angle. This is the racquet I wanted the TT95 to be, more plow and power. It was easier to block a hard shot and keep it in play. I did have a hard time ripping a flat forehand. Great knifing slices. Spin on slice and kick serves were good. Good power on flat serves. I'll probably keep it in my bag for a while.
 
This is the racquet I wanted the TT95 to be, more plow and power.
This gets my attention, I like the TT95 but I did not fall in love, it was a ittle too demanding and low powered. I went for the TT100P and love this racquet, but miss a little bit of stability.

How would you compare the P93 to the TT95 (and TT100P if you played that racquet) is the 93P more demanding (harder to swing) than the TT95 due to the higher weight ? Prince powerlevel is lower 600 vs 750 and that is a lot (TT100P is 800 and a lot more powerfull than the TT95).

I like the 18x20 string pattern, so I am very intersted in your opinion on the P93 vs TT95 vs TT100P

Thanks, Toby
 
Because of this thread I went ahead and bought a 93P w/o demoing it. Strung at 45# w Black Code 17g.

I've hit for ~7hrs with it, over 3 days. It's prompted me to register for an account and give something back to these forums after lurking for a long time.

I'm going to borrow a little from Moppet52's review format (post #440 of this thread), which I found pretty helpful.

My background
- 39yo, played 7-18, occasionally @ 25-30, 3-4x / wk from age 35-now. Mostly singles.
- 4.0 and improving (I can compete w 4.5s on a good day)
- Lefty, SW FH, 2HBH. Mediocre net game. Good serve mechanics; 1st serve has shape, 2nd serve has kick
- I'm fast; I hit aggressively and chase everything. But poor consistency loses me a lot of points. I look for rackets that force me to improve.

Rackets history:
- grew up playing various Prince sticks, and most of my time w something called Graphite Comp LX classic (Mid Plus)
- 3 yrs ago; Prince Tour 98 ESP; I feel like my game got better than this racket and I needed to move on.
- Babolat Pure Strike 18x20 (2014); been using this for 1 year and it's my current frame. I settled on it after demoing lots of others. Messed around w lead and string looking for better consistency in placement and depth. I thought I was still growing into this racket, but the 93P has changed my mind.

I try to pick a racket and stay with it, but I’ve been experiencing a sore elbow and started looking at the Phantoms. I don’t have a lot of experience w different rackets especially anything like the 93P. I was looking mostly at the Phantom Pro 100P but then this thread took over my interest.

I was nervous the 93P would be too much for my level of play, and that I would struggle w the smaller head size. Seems I was wrong. The 93P has highlighted to me just how poor the Pure Strike is. Here are my impressions (and some comparisons to the Pure Strike)…

- In one word only, the 93P felt predictable. Depth feels connected to effort, top-spin feels connected to swingpath, shot-quality feels connected to stringbed contact pt. I’ve never felt such direct feedback from a frame before. The mass/balance carries the frame through the hitting zone with stability I’m not used to; it was really easy to dial-in a feel of getting the racket face pointed where I wanted it at contact. (By comparison with the Pure Strike I have little confidence in where the ball might go if I make a slight error in the stroke and/or contact pt. in the stringbed.)

- The 93 sq. in head size feels the same as my Pure Strike (98 sq. in). The head is the same width as the Pure Strike at 3/9 – it just has a longer throat. If anything, the 93P seems to have a bigger useful area than what I’m used to because the string-bed has a smooth drop off across it (no hot spots).

- My serve was ON from the beginning. The momentum of this racket carries it through the hitting zone with authority. And the feedback of the racket face gave me better feel for serve placement. I was surprised how quickly it clicked for me. I expect the 93P is going to improve my service game.

- Top-Spin ground strokes: as others have noted, this racket asks for a 70-80% swing effort and gives you a pretty good rally ball. This stands out for me since I was concerned about low power from this racket, but it feels like power you get for a rally-ball effort swing is great. (Pure Strike by comparison made me feel like I had a minimum swing effort or the ball would fall short or float, so I was forced to hit bigger more often.) When I try to hit max FH this racket highlights to me that I need to fix a few things; earlier prep, smooth acceleration, clean contact. All obvious things, but the Pure Strike allowed me to get away with some bad habits (i.e. I could be late and still whip up good RHS). Seems the 93P doesn't let me rush the shot - I think this racket will force me to build consistency.

- Returns and Defense: I hit some pretty good depth w shorter blocking strokes. I was able to stand closer on serve return than normal and be effective. Once I get a better feel for this I think this will be a nice feature of this racket, keeping me in the rally longer than I should be. This again points to me as Prince getting the right balance of power from this frame – don’t be dissuaded by the Prince “600” power rating. (The Pure Strike by comparison tempts me to stand back and take a huge cut at the ball on return to avoid giving up a sitter – it does not do nearly as well as the 93P in staying stable when blocking shots.)

Overall I am impressed. I thought I would not be as positive as others because my game was not up to this level of racket, but that is not the case. This racket is entirely well-behaved and seems like it gives back what you can put into it. It feels like there is lots of room for my game to grow into this racket and the 93P isn’t going to punish me along the way.

I'll be looking to get a 2nd frame and think I'll try a hybrid poly/syn. gut setup to try and get a little more power.
 

JOSHL

Professional
Because of this thread I went ahead and bought a 93P w/o demoing it. Strung at 45# w Black Code 17g.

I've hit for ~7hrs with it, over 3 days. It's prompted me to register for an account and give something back to these forums after lurking for a long time.

I'm going to borrow a little from Moppet52's review format (post #440 of this thread), which I found pretty helpful.

My background
- 39yo, played 7-18, occasionally @ 25-30, 3-4x / wk from age 35-now. Mostly singles.
- 4.0 and improving (I can compete w 4.5s on a good day)
- Lefty, SW FH, 2HBH. Mediocre net game. Good serve mechanics; 1st serve has shape, 2nd serve has kick
- I'm fast; I hit aggressively and chase everything. But poor consistency loses me a lot of points. I look for rackets that force me to improve.

Rackets history:
- grew up playing various Prince sticks, and most of my time w something called Graphite Comp LX classic (Mid Plus)
- 3 yrs ago; Prince Tour 98 ESP; I feel like my game got better than this racket and I needed to move on.
- Babolat Pure Strike 18x20 (2014); been using this for 1 year and it's my current frame. I settled on it after demoing lots of others. Messed around w lead and string looking for better consistency in placement and depth. I thought I was still growing into this racket, but the 93P has changed my mind.

I try to pick a racket and stay with it, but I’ve been experiencing a sore elbow and started looking at the Phantoms. I don’t have a lot of experience w different rackets especially anything like the 93P. I was looking mostly at the Phantom Pro 100P but then this thread took over my interest.

I was nervous the 93P would be too much for my level of play, and that I would struggle w the smaller head size. Seems I was wrong. The 93P has highlighted to me just how poor the Pure Strike is. Here are my impressions (and some comparisons to the Pure Strike)…

- In one word only, the 93P felt predictable. Depth feels connected to effort, top-spin feels connected to swingpath, shot-quality feels connected to stringbed contact pt. I’ve never felt such direct feedback from a frame before. The mass/balance carries the frame through the hitting zone with stability I’m not used to; it was really easy to dial-in a feel of getting the racket face pointed where I wanted it at contact. (By comparison with the Pure Strike I have little confidence in where the ball might go if I make a slight error in the stroke and/or contact pt. in the stringbed.)

- The 93 sq. in head size feels the same as my Pure Strike (98 sq. in). The head is the same width as the Pure Strike at 3/9 – it just has a longer throat. If anything, the 93P seems to have a bigger useful area than what I’m used to because the string-bed has a smooth drop off across it (no hot spots).

- My serve was ON from the beginning. The momentum of this racket carries it through the hitting zone with authority. And the feedback of the racket face gave me better feel for serve placement. I was surprised how quickly it clicked for me. I expect the 93P is going to improve my service game.

- Top-Spin ground strokes: as others have noted, this racket asks for a 70-80% swing effort and gives you a pretty good rally ball. This stands out for me since I was concerned about low power from this racket, but it feels like power you get for a rally-ball effort swing is great. (Pure Strike by comparison made me feel like I had a minimum swing effort or the ball would fall short or float, so I was forced to hit bigger more often.) When I try to hit max FH this racket highlights to me that I need to fix a few things; earlier prep, smooth acceleration, clean contact. All obvious things, but the Pure Strike allowed me to get away with some bad habits (i.e. I could be late and still whip up good RHS). Seems the 93P doesn't let me rush the shot - I think this racket will force me to build consistency.

- Returns and Defense: I hit some pretty good depth w shorter blocking strokes. I was able to stand closer on serve return than normal and be effective. Once I get a better feel for this I think this will be a nice feature of this racket, keeping me in the rally longer than I should be. This again points to me as Prince getting the right balance of power from this frame – don’t be dissuaded by the Prince “600” power rating. (The Pure Strike by comparison tempts me to stand back and take a huge cut at the ball on return to avoid giving up a sitter – it does not do nearly as well as the 93P in staying stable when blocking shots.)

Overall I am impressed. I thought I would not be as positive as others because my game was not up to this level of racket, but that is not the case. This racket is entirely well-behaved and seems like it gives back what you can put into it. It feels like there is lots of room for my game to grow into this racket and the 93P isn’t going to punish me along the way.

I'll be looking to get a 2nd frame and think I'll try a hybrid poly/syn. gut setup to try and get a little more power.
Welcome to the fold! I agree with everything you said and as I said earlier in this thread anyone who is gun shy about trying this frame because it’s a 93in head DO NOT be intimidated!! It’s super user friendly!!
 
Because of this thread I went ahead and bought a 93P w/o demoing it. Strung at 45# w Black Code 17g.

I've hit for ~7hrs with it, over 3 days. It's prompted me to register for an account and give something back to these forums after lurking for a long time.

I'm going to borrow a little from Moppet52's review format (post #440 of this thread), which I found pretty helpful.

My background
- 39yo, played 7-18, occasionally @ 25-30, 3-4x / wk from age 35-now. Mostly singles.
- 4.0 and improving (I can compete w 4.5s on a good day)
- Lefty, SW FH, 2HBH. Mediocre net game. Good serve mechanics; 1st serve has shape, 2nd serve has kick
- I'm fast; I hit aggressively and chase everything. But poor consistency loses me a lot of points. I look for rackets that force me to improve.

Rackets history:
- grew up playing various Prince sticks, and most of my time w something called Graphite Comp LX classic (Mid Plus)
- 3 yrs ago; Prince Tour 98 ESP; I feel like my game got better than this racket and I needed to move on.
- Babolat Pure Strike 18x20 (2014); been using this for 1 year and it's my current frame. I settled on it after demoing lots of others. Messed around w lead and string looking for better consistency in placement and depth. I thought I was still growing into this racket, but the 93P has changed my mind.

I try to pick a racket and stay with it, but I’ve been experiencing a sore elbow and started looking at the Phantoms. I don’t have a lot of experience w different rackets especially anything like the 93P. I was looking mostly at the Phantom Pro 100P but then this thread took over my interest.

I was nervous the 93P would be too much for my level of play, and that I would struggle w the smaller head size. Seems I was wrong. The 93P has highlighted to me just how poor the Pure Strike is. Here are my impressions (and some comparisons to the Pure Strike)…

- In one word only, the 93P felt predictable. Depth feels connected to effort, top-spin feels connected to swingpath, shot-quality feels connected to stringbed contact pt. I’ve never felt such direct feedback from a frame before. The mass/balance carries the frame through the hitting zone with stability I’m not used to; it was really easy to dial-in a feel of getting the racket face pointed where I wanted it at contact. (By comparison with the Pure Strike I have little confidence in where the ball might go if I make a slight error in the stroke and/or contact pt. in the stringbed.)

- The 93 sq. in head size feels the same as my Pure Strike (98 sq. in). The head is the same width as the Pure Strike at 3/9 – it just has a longer throat. If anything, the 93P seems to have a bigger useful area than what I’m used to because the string-bed has a smooth drop off across it (no hot spots).

- My serve was ON from the beginning. The momentum of this racket carries it through the hitting zone with authority. And the feedback of the racket face gave me better feel for serve placement. I was surprised how quickly it clicked for me. I expect the 93P is going to improve my service game.

- Top-Spin ground strokes: as others have noted, this racket asks for a 70-80% swing effort and gives you a pretty good rally ball. This stands out for me since I was concerned about low power from this racket, but it feels like power you get for a rally-ball effort swing is great. (Pure Strike by comparison made me feel like I had a minimum swing effort or the ball would fall short or float, so I was forced to hit bigger more often.) When I try to hit max FH this racket highlights to me that I need to fix a few things; earlier prep, smooth acceleration, clean contact. All obvious things, but the Pure Strike allowed me to get away with some bad habits (i.e. I could be late and still whip up good RHS). Seems the 93P doesn't let me rush the shot - I think this racket will force me to build consistency.

- Returns and Defense: I hit some pretty good depth w shorter blocking strokes. I was able to stand closer on serve return than normal and be effective. Once I get a better feel for this I think this will be a nice feature of this racket, keeping me in the rally longer than I should be. This again points to me as Prince getting the right balance of power from this frame – don’t be dissuaded by the Prince “600” power rating. (The Pure Strike by comparison tempts me to stand back and take a huge cut at the ball on return to avoid giving up a sitter – it does not do nearly as well as the 93P in staying stable when blocking shots.)

Overall I am impressed. I thought I would not be as positive as others because my game was not up to this level of racket, but that is not the case. This racket is entirely well-behaved and seems like it gives back what you can put into it. It feels like there is lots of room for my game to grow into this racket and the 93P isn’t going to punish me along the way.

I'll be looking to get a 2nd frame and think I'll try a hybrid poly/syn. gut setup to try and get a little more power.
Thanks for sharing this - it looks like you and I share almost identical player profiles. Same age, playing history, current playing level. Let us know how it plays with your preferred strings!
 
Because of this thread I went ahead and bought a 93P w/o demoing it. Strung at 45# w Black Code 17g.

I've hit for ~7hrs with it, over 3 days. It's prompted me to register for an account and give something back to these forums after lurking for a long time.

I'm going to borrow a little from Moppet52's review format (post #440 of this thread), which I found pretty helpful.

My background
- 39yo, played 7-18, occasionally @ 25-30, 3-4x / wk from age 35-now. Mostly singles.
- 4.0 and improving (I can compete w 4.5s on a good day)
- Lefty, SW FH, 2HBH. Mediocre net game. Good serve mechanics; 1st serve has shape, 2nd serve has kick
- I'm fast; I hit aggressively and chase everything. But poor consistency loses me a lot of points. I look for rackets that force me to improve.

Rackets history:
- grew up playing various Prince sticks, and most of my time w something called Graphite Comp LX classic (Mid Plus)
- 3 yrs ago; Prince Tour 98 ESP; I feel like my game got better than this racket and I needed to move on.
- Babolat Pure Strike 18x20 (2014); been using this for 1 year and it's my current frame. I settled on it after demoing lots of others. Messed around w lead and string looking for better consistency in placement and depth. I thought I was still growing into this racket, but the 93P has changed my mind.

I try to pick a racket and stay with it, but I’ve been experiencing a sore elbow and started looking at the Phantoms. I don’t have a lot of experience w different rackets especially anything like the 93P. I was looking mostly at the Phantom Pro 100P but then this thread took over my interest.

I was nervous the 93P would be too much for my level of play, and that I would struggle w the smaller head size. Seems I was wrong. The 93P has highlighted to me just how poor the Pure Strike is. Here are my impressions (and some comparisons to the Pure Strike)…

- In one word only, the 93P felt predictable. Depth feels connected to effort, top-spin feels connected to swingpath, shot-quality feels connected to stringbed contact pt. I’ve never felt such direct feedback from a frame before. The mass/balance carries the frame through the hitting zone with stability I’m not used to; it was really easy to dial-in a feel of getting the racket face pointed where I wanted it at contact. (By comparison with the Pure Strike I have little confidence in where the ball might go if I make a slight error in the stroke and/or contact pt. in the stringbed.)

- The 93 sq. in head size feels the same as my Pure Strike (98 sq. in). The head is the same width as the Pure Strike at 3/9 – it just has a longer throat. If anything, the 93P seems to have a bigger useful area than what I’m used to because the string-bed has a smooth drop off across it (no hot spots).

- My serve was ON from the beginning. The momentum of this racket carries it through the hitting zone with authority. And the feedback of the racket face gave me better feel for serve placement. I was surprised how quickly it clicked for me. I expect the 93P is going to improve my service game.

- Top-Spin ground strokes: as others have noted, this racket asks for a 70-80% swing effort and gives you a pretty good rally ball. This stands out for me since I was concerned about low power from this racket, but it feels like power you get for a rally-ball effort swing is great. (Pure Strike by comparison made me feel like I had a minimum swing effort or the ball would fall short or float, so I was forced to hit bigger more often.) When I try to hit max FH this racket highlights to me that I need to fix a few things; earlier prep, smooth acceleration, clean contact. All obvious things, but the Pure Strike allowed me to get away with some bad habits (i.e. I could be late and still whip up good RHS). Seems the 93P doesn't let me rush the shot - I think this racket will force me to build consistency.

- Returns and Defense: I hit some pretty good depth w shorter blocking strokes. I was able to stand closer on serve return than normal and be effective. Once I get a better feel for this I think this will be a nice feature of this racket, keeping me in the rally longer than I should be. This again points to me as Prince getting the right balance of power from this frame – don’t be dissuaded by the Prince “600” power rating. (The Pure Strike by comparison tempts me to stand back and take a huge cut at the ball on return to avoid giving up a sitter – it does not do nearly as well as the 93P in staying stable when blocking shots.)

Overall I am impressed. I thought I would not be as positive as others because my game was not up to this level of racket, but that is not the case. This racket is entirely well-behaved and seems like it gives back what you can put into it. It feels like there is lots of room for my game to grow into this racket and the 93P isn’t going to punish me along the way.

I'll be looking to get a 2nd frame and think I'll try a hybrid poly/syn. gut setup to try and get a little more power.
Welcome to TT. Great post and I'm glad you're enjoying the racquet and your tennis.

Looking forward to hearing more...
 
Because of this thread I went ahead and bought a 93P w/o demoing it. Strung at 45# w Black Code 17g.

I've hit for ~7hrs with it, over 3 days. It's prompted me to register for an account and give something back to these forums after lurking for a long time.

I'm going to borrow a little from Moppet52's review format (post #440 of this thread), which I found pretty helpful.

My background
- 39yo, played 7-18, occasionally @ 25-30, 3-4x / wk from age 35-now. Mostly singles.
- 4.0 and improving (I can compete w 4.5s on a good day)
- Lefty, SW FH, 2HBH. Mediocre net game. Good serve mechanics; 1st serve has shape, 2nd serve has kick
- I'm fast; I hit aggressively and chase everything. But poor consistency loses me a lot of points. I look for rackets that force me to improve.

Rackets history:
- grew up playing various Prince sticks, and most of my time w something called Graphite Comp LX classic (Mid Plus)
- 3 yrs ago; Prince Tour 98 ESP; I feel like my game got better than this racket and I needed to move on.
- Babolat Pure Strike 18x20 (2014); been using this for 1 year and it's my current frame. I settled on it after demoing lots of others. Messed around w lead and string looking for better consistency in placement and depth. I thought I was still growing into this racket, but the 93P has changed my mind.

I try to pick a racket and stay with it, but I’ve been experiencing a sore elbow and started looking at the Phantoms. I don’t have a lot of experience w different rackets especially anything like the 93P. I was looking mostly at the Phantom Pro 100P but then this thread took over my interest.

I was nervous the 93P would be too much for my level of play, and that I would struggle w the smaller head size. Seems I was wrong. The 93P has highlighted to me just how poor the Pure Strike is. Here are my impressions (and some comparisons to the Pure Strike)…

- In one word only, the 93P felt predictable. Depth feels connected to effort, top-spin feels connected to swingpath, shot-quality feels connected to stringbed contact pt. I’ve never felt such direct feedback from a frame before. The mass/balance carries the frame through the hitting zone with stability I’m not used to; it was really easy to dial-in a feel of getting the racket face pointed where I wanted it at contact. (By comparison with the Pure Strike I have little confidence in where the ball might go if I make a slight error in the stroke and/or contact pt. in the stringbed.)

- The 93 sq. in head size feels the same as my Pure Strike (98 sq. in). The head is the same width as the Pure Strike at 3/9 – it just has a longer throat. If anything, the 93P seems to have a bigger useful area than what I’m used to because the string-bed has a smooth drop off across it (no hot spots).

- My serve was ON from the beginning. The momentum of this racket carries it through the hitting zone with authority. And the feedback of the racket face gave me better feel for serve placement. I was surprised how quickly it clicked for me. I expect the 93P is going to improve my service game.

- Top-Spin ground strokes: as others have noted, this racket asks for a 70-80% swing effort and gives you a pretty good rally ball. This stands out for me since I was concerned about low power from this racket, but it feels like power you get for a rally-ball effort swing is great. (Pure Strike by comparison made me feel like I had a minimum swing effort or the ball would fall short or float, so I was forced to hit bigger more often.) When I try to hit max FH this racket highlights to me that I need to fix a few things; earlier prep, smooth acceleration, clean contact. All obvious things, but the Pure Strike allowed me to get away with some bad habits (i.e. I could be late and still whip up good RHS). Seems the 93P doesn't let me rush the shot - I think this racket will force me to build consistency.

- Returns and Defense: I hit some pretty good depth w shorter blocking strokes. I was able to stand closer on serve return than normal and be effective. Once I get a better feel for this I think this will be a nice feature of this racket, keeping me in the rally longer than I should be. This again points to me as Prince getting the right balance of power from this frame – don’t be dissuaded by the Prince “600” power rating. (The Pure Strike by comparison tempts me to stand back and take a huge cut at the ball on return to avoid giving up a sitter – it does not do nearly as well as the 93P in staying stable when blocking shots.)

Overall I am impressed. I thought I would not be as positive as others because my game was not up to this level of racket, but that is not the case. This racket is entirely well-behaved and seems like it gives back what you can put into it. It feels like there is lots of room for my game to grow into this racket and the 93P isn’t going to punish me along the way.

I'll be looking to get a 2nd frame and think I'll try a hybrid poly/syn. gut setup to try and get a little more power.
Nice review. I suggest you don’t hybrid poly/syn for more power, just add 2 grams of lead at 3+9 and 1gram on upper V throat. More power, more spin, more stability for some heft.
 
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Nice review. I suggest you don’t hybrid poly/syn for more power, just add 2 grams of lead at 3+9 and 1gram on upper V throat. More power, more spin, more stability for some heft.
Thanks. I may fool around w lead eventually and will take your suggestions, but not yet (my shoulder has noticed the heaver weight vs. what I'm used to). For clarity, are you saying 2g @3 + 2g @9? Or 2g total at 3&9?

There are a few other minor reasons for wanting to string it up poly/synthetic that I didn't mention; string-bed seems to stay 'unlocked' longer, not as harsh on my elbow, I like the feel of the pocketing, I have string on-hand I want to use, easier to string synth. crosses.
 
Thanks. I may fool around w lead eventually and will take your suggestions, but not yet (my shoulder has noticed the heaver weight vs. what I'm used to). For clarity, are you saying 2g @3 + 2g @9? Or 2g total at 3&9?

There are a few other minor reasons for wanting to string it up poly/synthetic that I didn't mention; string-bed seems to stay 'unlocked' longer, not as harsh on my elbow, I like the feel of the pocketing, I have string on-hand I want to use, easier to string synth. crosses.
2g total 3+9 (4 x 2" strips)

More weight will help strings stay unlocked (more force on them) and add stabilty/comfort.

Also thinner guage will lock up less. Try 18 guage.

I feel like poly/synth hybrid is half-baked land - ok it won't lock up because synthetic can't cut poly, but it will never feel great either - you KNOW you are giving up spin.
 

galain

Hall of Fame
I'm sorry if this has been answered already - I don't have time right now to go back through 13 pages...

Has anyone been able to compare this to the Prince Diablo mid?
 

sredna42

Hall of Fame
No vibrations on the 93P when I shank. It is extremely comfortable there. I remember when I first got it, I was bouncing the ball before starting a service game and I realized that it really never vibrated at all. Just felt real nice and solid.

100PP - very comfortable. No real vibrations either. I liked the feel of the frame almost as much as the 93, but it wasn't quite as good.
Yeah, the Tour 100P is a beautiful frame, with no real negatives.
 
I'm sorry if this has been answered already - I don't have time right now to go back through 13 pages...

Has anyone been able to compare this to the Prince Diablo mid?
Too long. Enter Diablo, check Search this thread only - Nothing found.
I have errors with the search function here as do you, hence not trusting it. On page 8 there are 14 or so matches.
It's in a parallel thread for Phantom 93P

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/prince-phantom-93p.607726/page-6#post-12109446

Also, I played with Tour Diablo Mid and it is nothing like 93P. The Diablo feels much firmer with its 16x20 pattern and mid to high sixties feeling stiffness. Very different feel on ball contact. Different beam size as well. Like the guy in above link says, different mold altogether. I will say though that it can hit a mean ball.
 
Because of this thread I went ahead and bought a 93P w/o demoing it. Strung at 45# w Black Code 17g.

I've hit for ~7hrs with it, over 3 days. It's prompted me to register for an account and give something back to these forums after lurking for a long time.

I'm going to borrow a little from Moppet52's review format (post #440 of this thread), which I found pretty helpful.

My background
- 39yo, played 7-18, occasionally @ 25-30, 3-4x / wk from age 35-now. Mostly singles.
- 4.0 and improving (I can compete w 4.5s on a good day)
- Lefty, SW FH, 2HBH. Mediocre net game. Good serve mechanics; 1st serve has shape, 2nd serve has kick
- I'm fast; I hit aggressively and chase everything. But poor consistency loses me a lot of points. I look for rackets that force me to improve.

Rackets history:
- grew up playing various Prince sticks, and most of my time w something called Graphite Comp LX classic (Mid Plus)
- 3 yrs ago; Prince Tour 98 ESP; I feel like my game got better than this racket and I needed to move on.
- Babolat Pure Strike 18x20 (2014); been using this for 1 year and it's my current frame. I settled on it after demoing lots of others. Messed around w lead and string looking for better consistency in placement and depth. I thought I was still growing into this racket, but the 93P has changed my mind.

I try to pick a racket and stay with it, but I’ve been experiencing a sore elbow and started looking at the Phantoms. I don’t have a lot of experience w different rackets especially anything like the 93P. I was looking mostly at the Phantom Pro 100P but then this thread took over my interest.

I was nervous the 93P would be too much for my level of play, and that I would struggle w the smaller head size. Seems I was wrong. The 93P has highlighted to me just how poor the Pure Strike is. Here are my impressions (and some comparisons to the Pure Strike)…

- In one word only, the 93P felt predictable. Depth feels connected to effort, top-spin feels connected to swingpath, shot-quality feels connected to stringbed contact pt. I’ve never felt such direct feedback from a frame before. The mass/balance carries the frame through the hitting zone with stability I’m not used to; it was really easy to dial-in a feel of getting the racket face pointed where I wanted it at contact. (By comparison with the Pure Strike I have little confidence in where the ball might go if I make a slight error in the stroke and/or contact pt. in the stringbed.)

- The 93 sq. in head size feels the same as my Pure Strike (98 sq. in). The head is the same width as the Pure Strike at 3/9 – it just has a longer throat. If anything, the 93P seems to have a bigger useful area than what I’m used to because the string-bed has a smooth drop off across it (no hot spots).

- My serve was ON from the beginning. The momentum of this racket carries it through the hitting zone with authority. And the feedback of the racket face gave me better feel for serve placement. I was surprised how quickly it clicked for me. I expect the 93P is going to improve my service game.

- Top-Spin ground strokes: as others have noted, this racket asks for a 70-80% swing effort and gives you a pretty good rally ball. This stands out for me since I was concerned about low power from this racket, but it feels like power you get for a rally-ball effort swing is great. (Pure Strike by comparison made me feel like I had a minimum swing effort or the ball would fall short or float, so I was forced to hit bigger more often.) When I try to hit max FH this racket highlights to me that I need to fix a few things; earlier prep, smooth acceleration, clean contact. All obvious things, but the Pure Strike allowed me to get away with some bad habits (i.e. I could be late and still whip up good RHS). Seems the 93P doesn't let me rush the shot - I think this racket will force me to build consistency.

- Returns and Defense: I hit some pretty good depth w shorter blocking strokes. I was able to stand closer on serve return than normal and be effective. Once I get a better feel for this I think this will be a nice feature of this racket, keeping me in the rally longer than I should be. This again points to me as Prince getting the right balance of power from this frame – don’t be dissuaded by the Prince “600” power rating. (The Pure Strike by comparison tempts me to stand back and take a huge cut at the ball on return to avoid giving up a sitter – it does not do nearly as well as the 93P in staying stable when blocking shots.)

Overall I am impressed. I thought I would not be as positive as others because my game was not up to this level of racket, but that is not the case. This racket is entirely well-behaved and seems like it gives back what you can put into it. It feels like there is lots of room for my game to grow into this racket and the 93P isn’t going to punish me along the way.

I'll be looking to get a 2nd frame and think I'll try a hybrid poly/syn. gut setup to try and get a little more power.
Great Review and welcome to posting here on TTTW. I got a chance to hit with my 93P last night in 3 sets of doubles (rotating partners). Here is an updated review. Please see my initial impressions in post #440 in this thread.

String Update:
Restrung with Technifibre Black Code 4S @ 47 lbs / Technifibre Black Code 4S @ 44 lbs

Play update:
It has been 3+ weeks since I have played against actual humans. I am nursing a strained hammy, and only had 20 minutes with a ball machine in the last 3 weeks - so my timing and technique was a bit rusty.

Groundstrokes:
This is the splinter in my paw when it comes to switching, but I will need at least another 4+ hours on court to really get a feel. In short, I am not getting the same plow through and depth that I get from my customized RF97. When I hit the ball in the sweetspot (less often than I would like), and I getting a nice ball, but it is still missing some of the push back power and spin to which I am accustomed.

Volleys:
Really excited to volley with this racquet, and doubles seemed like a great opportunity. It did not disappoint. This frame shines at net - maneuverable, predictable off the string bed, and hands down a clear winner over my RF97A when it comes to touch/drop volleys. 5/5 stars

Serves:
Really enjoyed serving with this racquet. There is something about the smaller head size that helped me have more directional accuracy and let me go for areas of the service box with more confidence.

Returns:
Smaller head size = more mis hits on. I will say that I enjoy returning hard servers with the RF97A more and the stiffer and wider beam seems to provide more aggressive and "take control of the point" returns.

Anecdotal:
I was able to hit some of my best backhand approach shots and two heretofore impossible slice lobs (1 FH & 1BH) with this racquet that were just jaw dropping and felt SO good. I sincerely don't know if there is a racquet out there currently that matches this stick's "wand like" feel when it comes to touch shots.

Overall:
Really love the feel of the frame. Not convinced I can play competitively at the same level as my RF97A. I win points by hitting baseline shots with depth and plow that force my opponents to hit short responses that I attempt to take advantage of. The rub is that I would be more able to approach and play the net with the 93P, but I am not at the point with my skills and/or familiarity with the racquet to accomplish the first part.

Next steps:
Option 1: Restring full poly lower (45/42)
Option 2: Gut Mains @ ~48 with 20% pre-stretch / Poly Mains @~ 42
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Just go full poly lower, even 40#s will work wonders.

Keep the frame stock for now. This frame can crush people in stock form with low strung 1.25 poly. You retain serious racquet speed. The more I use this simple setup, the better I play.

The frame truly responds to how good you are. Over the past few weeks, I have fixed some balance issues and shaken off rust and the frame just plays better and better, because I have improved.
 
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