The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
My local shop has Head Velocity, Head IntelliTour, Head Rip Control, Babolat Addiction, TF NRG2 and TF X-One Biphase on hand. Would any of them play better in my 93P that's turned into a handheld trampoline with Babolat Xcel 17 @ 45# or should I try Laserfibre Supreme 2.0 or Prince Premiere Control instead? I'd have to order the Laserfibre and Prince strings from TW. It's getting worse each time I have an outing with those strings. I also bought some Babolat Elastocross string savers to see if I can decrease the trampoline effect, but don't know where I should place them at.

Dude - poly. You cant string multis at low tensions.

Or just go for classic prince synthetic gut. Sounds like you are still a bit new to the gear game, you could string the syn gut at 52#s and be fine. It is inexpensive and will allow you to figure out what traits you need in a string. I am sure the shop will have a decent selection of syn gut. Its the go to standard.
 

morten

Hall of Fame
Dude - poly. You cant string multis at low tensions.

Or just go for classic prince synthetic gut. Sounds like you are still a bit new to the gear game, you could string the syn gut at 52#s and be fine. It is inexpensive and will allow you to figure out what traits you need in a string. I am sure the shop will have a decent selection of syn gut. Its the go to standard.
Dont generalize about tension. I use x one at 42 lbs. In a ps85 that is. And 45 lbs in the P93 and it almost feels too tight
 

kenyee

Semi-Pro
Babolat Elastocross string savers to see if I can decrease the trampoline effect
Won't those increase tension and increase the trampoline effect? Surprised you see that kind of effect at 45#...should be low enough that it grabs the ball more...
 
I got the used one that recently became available on TW. I got it strung with RS Lyon 18g at 47lb. Only hit for 30 minutes against the wall, and then played
doubles and singles for an hour each. Coming from PS97 this felt a bit smallish head size but more solid. The 18x20 patterm seems a bit tight for me but
it's probably still too early to say. It's definitely more control than a power racquet. I also think this is not good one for the beginners, your prep work needs
to be up there in order to swing and have good use of this stick. My touch shots and slices with doubles were good, my deep shots while good if you had a good hit,
again demanded proper technique, not coming in as easy I suppose. Also, not sure if this was just my doing not being used to the racquet, but I tended to move
my grip more western when I needed to rip it some more as not doing that I felt I didn't get enough cut on the ball with my normal eastern grip. I will play few more hours with it as is,
and maybe try to get it restrung a bit lower next time to see if the lower tension helps with deeper shots.
Played a bit more with the original string and not liking the results really. I think problem is I'm not used to the small and tight string bed like this
and my shots are more spin dependent. When trying to be aggressive and cut the ball real hard the results are not great for me. My two handed backhand
is never really that good and I prefer slicing, but with this racquet the top spin backhand comes in even harder for me. It's definitely technique and confidence issue
but this stick is making it even harder than it needs to be. Problem is that my opponents still think I put a lot of spin with this racquet, but I have less
confidence in my FH shots which usually are my best part of the game, and defending is a challenge as well.
It's definitely a good stick but I might be too weak of a player or this is just a wrong one for me.
I will still probably give it another go with lower tension poly but feel it might not be enough to convert me to it :-(
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I'm using Origin 54 lb mains and Velocity 52 lb crosses in a Prince Phantom 100. I'll likely try a similar stringing in the 93P when it arrives. I avoid poly because of TE issues. But Velocity is a muted slippery multi that works nice in a FB or as a cross. Another option for a muted multi is RIP Control or HDX tour. None of those should trampoline like NXT, Excel or Biphase.
 

Anton

Legend
Won't those increase tension and increase the trampoline effect? Surprised you see that kind of effect at 45#...should be low enough that it grabs the ball more...
Trampoline effect is from loose strings. More tension = less trampoline.
 

Moppet52

Rookie
Had my first hitting session with the 93P yesterday. It was a very short hitting session ~20 minutes with a ball machine, and focused on working on my backhand - so no all around review yet.

Player background (as objective as possible):
- 40+ player that learned tennis in the days of eastern forehands, syn gut/nylon strings
- Played in HS and then took 18 year break - started again in earnest 6 years ago
- Solid 4.0 (with visions of 4.5 in next 2 years)
- Baseline player, but with above average hands at net - not a liability in doubles, but more Singles baseline agressive
- SW forehand, 2HBH
- Have been told from opponents and teammates that I hit with a lot of spin, BUT do not have a stroke that produces high-arcing topspin. My ball has been described as heavy or penetrating. Bottom line - not a spin monster that hits sharp angles with WW stroke. I play through the ball quite a bit on both sides, so low arc but ball dips and jumps forward more than up.

Equipment History (last 6 years):
- Head Microgel Prestige Pro Mid Plus
- Head Youtek IG Prestige MP & Pro (gravitated toward heavier Pro)
- Babolat Pure Control Tour
- Wilson 97 RFA Customized specs - 13.4 oz static weight, 10pt HL balance, 333 SW (measured on Babolat RDC)
- Strings - Last 6 months have been using a combo/mix of Technifibre Black Codes 4S and Yonex Poly Tour Spin G.

Test Specs:
- Weight is 12.2 oz strung - could not measure Balance or SW
- Technifibre Black Code 4S @ 50lb / Yonex Poly Tour Sping G @ 47lb

Short Impressions:
- Racquet feels very agile and swings quickly through the air
- Hitting the sweet spot is very rewarding - beautiful audible "Thwack" sound
- Sweetspot feels lower on the string bed. When I hit nearer the tip, I felt I lost power
- I had trouble getting as easy depth I was used to from my 97 RFA. Did feel a touch less stable than my RFA.
- Enjoy the 18x20 string pattern
- Backhand slices was noticeably "sharper" and penetrating
- Really enjoyed the flex and feel of the ball on the strings. Felt like touch shots were much more achievable

Initial action plans and thoughts:
- I think I should drop tension on my all poly setup. Usual setup in 97 RFA is 54-57 Mains / 54-51 Crosses. I think with the tighter string pattern and smaller head shape I should go closer to 45lbs. Might open up sweet spot and provide more comfort.
- May try a gut/poly hybrid
- Love the feel and perceived accuracy increase
- Get at least 8+ hours of court time and side by side with the 97 RFA to really get a sense of whether this is a potential switch or more of a fun stick to keep in the bag...
Update on my flirtation with replacing my beloved RF97As with the 93P... and a new contender to the mix.

I hit exclusively with the 93P for another 4-5 hours (mostly doubles and serving practice) as I have been nursing a left leg injury. I dropped the tension on the strings which helped some with getting more depth, but I am starting to realize there is something as too flexible of a feeling.

"Meanwhile... at the Hall of Justice..." during a happenstance visit to my local pro shop, I saw they had the new Yonex Vcore Pro 97 (330) in my size. I was pleasantly surprised because this (and most local stores) do not carry Yonex in the Denver metro area. I decided to purchase it (last one left in my size). I have been lurking the Vcore 97 Pro thread and this one as these are the two top contenders as potential replacements for my RF97A.

I took my RF97A, 93P, and VCore Pro 97 (330) to the local tennis center to hit them side by side... by side. over the next 40 minutes, I hit with each racquet "vs" a ball machine set to random. I would hit 30 balls with a racquet before switching to the next. During the 40 minutes, I hit with each racquet 3 times. And the results are in...

*head hanging down* - I LOVE the feel of the 93P, but get so much more free depth and spin with my 97A and the Vcore 97. While I used to play with flexy racquets in the past - I have been conditioned by the last 4 years of 65+ RA racquets and have grown accustomed to the response. And...

I absolutely love the Vcore Pro 97 (330). Still not sold on it replacing my RF97A, but it is a much easier transition to the Yonex vs. going to the 93P. I actually feel I am able to get more spin and Left-to-Right precision with the Yonex.

Thus, I will be retiring my 93P; so jump to the appropriate forum if you have interest. I will still lurk this thread... but expect a more detailed review in the Vcore Pro 97 thread from me in the coming weeks.

Cheers
 

tomato123

Professional
Update on my flirtation with replacing my beloved RF97As with the 93P... and a new contender to the mix.

I hit exclusively with the 93P for another 4-5 hours (mostly doubles and serving practice) as I have been nursing a left leg injury. I dropped the tension on the strings which helped some with getting more depth, but I am starting to realize there is something as too flexible of a feeling.

"Meanwhile... at the Hall of Justice..." during a happenstance visit to my local pro shop, I saw they had the new Yonex Vcore Pro 97 (330) in my size. I was pleasantly surprised because this (and most local stores) do not carry Yonex in the Denver metro area. I decided to purchase it (last one left in my size). I have been lurking the Vcore 97 Pro thread and this one as these are the two top contenders as potential replacements for my RF97A.

I took my RF97A, 93P, and VCore Pro 97 (330) to the local tennis center to hit them side by side... by side. over the next 40 minutes, I hit with each racquet "vs" a ball machine set to random. I would hit 30 balls with a racquet before switching to the next. During the 40 minutes, I hit with each racquet 3 times. And the results are in...

*head hanging down* - I LOVE the feel of the 93P, but get so much more free depth and spin with my 97A and the Vcore 97. While I used to play with flexy racquets in the past - I have been conditioned by the last 4 years of 65+ RA racquets and have grown accustomed to the response. And...

I absolutely love the Vcore Pro 97 (330). Still not sold on it replacing my RF97A, but it is a much easier transition to the Yonex vs. going to the 93P. I actually feel I am able to get more spin and Left-to-Right precision with the Yonex.

Thus, I will be retiring my 93P; so jump to the appropriate forum if you have interest. I will still lurk this thread... but expect a more detailed review in the Vcore Pro 97 thread from me in the coming weeks.

Cheers
I have a Duel G in my bag that I used to rotate with the SV95, and it looks like the Vcore Pro is an overall improvement to the Duel G. I also thought about trying out the Vcore Pro until I discovered the 93P but the 93P just checked all the right boxes for me so I didn't feel the need. Hope it serves you well!
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
I just picked up a used 93P for fun, but I'm completely unsure of how to string it. Here's what I have on hand: NRG2 17, X-one 17, Cyclone 17, V-Torque Tour18, Red Code 17, Head Sonic 17, and Pro Line 2 17. My go-to setup for my main racquets is gut mains and poly crosses, but I don't want to put gut into the 93P unless I decide I am really going to play with it regularly. I'm torn between the V-Torque 18 at really low tension, a full bed of X-one to get some pop, or a hybrid with the NRG2 and one of the smooth polys. What should I do?
 
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I just picked up a used 93P for fun, but I'm completely unsure of how to string it. Here's what I have on hand: NRG2 17, X-one 17, Cyclone 17, V-Torque Tour18, Red Code 17, Head Sonic 17, and Pro Line 2 17. My go-to setup for my main racquets is gut mains and poly crosses, but I don't want to put gut into the 93P unless I decide I am really going to play with it regularly. I'm torn between the V-Torque 18 at really low tension, a full bed of X-one to get some pop, or a hybrid with the NRG2 and one of the smooth polys. What should I do?
I'd say start with the Cyclone 17 at 45-47lbs. Next would be the X-one 17 at 52-53lbs.
 

Anton

Legend
I just picked up a used 93P for fun, but I'm completely unsure of how to string it. Here's what I have on hand: NRG2 17, X-one 17, Cyclone 17, V-Torque Tour18, Red Code 17, Head Sonic 17, and Pro Line 2 17. My go-to setup for my main racquets is gut mains and poly crosses, but I don't want to put gut into the 93P unless I decide I am really going to play with it regularly. I'm torn between the V-Torque 18 at really low tension, a full bed of X-one to get some pop, or a hybrid with the NRG2 and one of the smooth polys. What should I do?
V-Torque 18 at ~45.
 
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Anton

Legend
Update on my flirtation with replacing my beloved RF97As with the 93P... and a new contender to the mix.

I hit exclusively with the 93P for another 4-5 hours (mostly doubles and serving practice) as I have been nursing a left leg injury. I dropped the tension on the strings which helped some with getting more depth, but I am starting to realize there is something as too flexible of a feeling.

"Meanwhile... at the Hall of Justice..." during a happenstance visit to my local pro shop, I saw they had the new Yonex Vcore Pro 97 (330) in my size. I was pleasantly surprised because this (and most local stores) do not carry Yonex in the Denver metro area. I decided to purchase it (last one left in my size). I have been lurking the Vcore 97 Pro thread and this one as these are the two top contenders as potential replacements for my RF97A.

I took my RF97A, 93P, and VCore Pro 97 (330) to the local tennis center to hit them side by side... by side. over the next 40 minutes, I hit with each racquet "vs" a ball machine set to random. I would hit 30 balls with a racquet before switching to the next. During the 40 minutes, I hit with each racquet 3 times. And the results are in...

*head hanging down* - I LOVE the feel of the 93P, but get so much more free depth and spin with my 97A and the Vcore 97. While I used to play with flexy racquets in the past - I have been conditioned by the last 4 years of 65+ RA racquets and have grown accustomed to the response. And...

I absolutely love the Vcore Pro 97 (330). Still not sold on it replacing my RF97A, but it is a much easier transition to the Yonex vs. going to the 93P. I actually feel I am able to get more spin and Left-to-Right precision with the Yonex.

Thus, I will be retiring my 93P; so jump to the appropriate forum if you have interest. I will still lurk this thread... but expect a more detailed review in the Vcore Pro 97 thread from me in the coming weeks.

Cheers
RF97A is way more massive in the midsection and so is Pro97. 93P needs lead on the throat and loop to be directly comparable.

I feel like I'm getting similar pace and depth and only a bit less spin compared to RF97...but in more comfortable and controlled package:

 
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time_fly

Hall of Fame
I mis-remembered. I had Solinco Tour Bite 17 and not Cyclone. So I put in the Tour Bite at 47 / 44 and took some feeds off the ball machine this afternoon. Since I was just taking feeds I swung all-out at every ball. The pace, accuracy, and depth were great. Even with the low tension tour bite I was hitting relatively low, flat, more penetrating shots. I really had to focus on topspin and brushing the ball if I wanted to loop it. Although the racquet is flexible I found it to play more firmly than I expected. Anything outside of dead-center sent some vibration through the frame but it wasn't uncomfortable.

Pros: Good control, provides firm but not uncomfortable feedback, more pop than I expected on full swings
Cons: Small sweet spot, not spin friendly
Verdict: The perfect stick for fitness buffs who want to get a workout from playing tennis
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
Verdict: The perfect stick for fitness buffs who want to get a workout from playing tennis
I thought that was an AeroPro Drive. Just ask Nadal.

I would have thought your description of the 93P favors an all court first strike game. Control, pop, flat penetrating shots. I play guys using old 6.1's that play like that and they are definitely not fitness buffs, They finish points with accuracy, low bounces, getting into the net and putting away volleys.
 

Anton

Legend
Strings update:

1. Popped Cyclone 19g @48 (TW) in the middle-upper part of the center main within about 7 hours, which is faster than usual. Upside is big spin and playability throughout.

2. 17g@49 Klip Legend ngut main, 18g@47 Lux Ace poly hybrid - 10 hours played and still looked to be in great shape...unfortunately the center main popped on the top grommet :(.

Mixed bag compared to Cyclone 19, but definitely an awesome setup for an all-courter and/or someone with more classic strokes.

Pros - more comfort and feel once broken in, better slice/voley and placement. Very dependable on flat shots.
Cons - spin is more work.

3. Will string today 18g Cyclone with proportional method @ 48 lb reference tension. Will test this weekend.
 

bluenote

Rookie
The TW was involved with Prince to produce the Phantom 93 ?

If yes, this make me think: would be so nice now a movement of TW to motivate the production of a Oversize racquet with “players specs”, but with another company as Prince still make the POG 107! Respect!

I telling this because I really think a OS racquet like POG and the old Radical Tours OS, can still be relevant for intermediate and advanced club players, and they are so scarce in variety now days, just the POG 107 and Blade SW 104 are filling that category of “OS players racquet”

On my returning to the game this year after a long hiatus, tested a lot of modern frames, but at the end, i felt in love with the Radical Tour OS, AMAZING frame!
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
The TW was involved with Prince to produce the Phantom 93 ?

If yes, this make me think: would be so nice now a movement of TW to motivate the production of a Oversize racquet with “players specs”, but with another company as Prince still make the POG 107! Respect!

I telling this because I really think a OS racquet like POG and the old Radical Tours OS, can still be relevant for intermediate and advanced club players, and they are so scarce in variety now days, just the POG 107 and Blade SW 104 are filling that category of “OS players racquet”

On my returning to the game this year after a long hiatus, tested a lot of modern frames, but at the end, i felt in love with the Radical Tour OS, AMAZING frame!
This is why I ordered a 93P and POG 107 from TW. Gives me a couple classic frame options to mix in with my Ported Phantoms. Different tools for different days.
 

caprivi

Rookie
I've been testing out thin (18/19) polys in this racquet (@~45/40lbs), and although it's great for bashing from the baseline, my touch game, lobs, and reaction volleys feel too vague. Any suggestions on what to try next (besides gut)?
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I gave full bed Velocity 17 @ 50# a try and it felt like a crisper version of Xcel. Less mushy, similar power, and has noticeable pocketing with snap back. I'll probably stick with this string as it's $10 cheaper than Xcel, but I still need to tame the power. Lots of you are using hybrids, but poly/gut hybrids.

I'd like maximum arm protection, so I'm thinking a Velocity hybrid with a mono. Would that be worth a try and what's a soft mono that compliments Velocity well? Which would be the mains and crosses and at what tensions if 50# is my baseline tension with FB multi? Thanks for the suggestions.
 

Anton

Legend
I've been testing out thin (18/19) polys in this racquet (@~45/40lbs), and although it's great for bashing from the baseline, my touch game, lobs, and reaction volleys feel too vague. Any suggestions on what to try next (besides gut)?
lead

It's vague because its not solid across the whole stringbed. Proportional stringiing also helps stability because areas outside of the sweespot get strung at lower tension.
 

Dartagnan64

G.O.A.T.
I gave full bed Velocity 17 @ 50# a try and it felt like a crisper version of Xcel. Less mushy, similar power, and has noticeable pocketing with snap back. I'll probably stick with this string as it's $10 cheaper than Xcel, but I still need to tame the power. Lots of you are using hybrids, but poly/gut hybrids.

I'd like maximum arm protection, so I'm thinking a Velocity hybrid with a mono. Would that be worth a try and what's a soft mono that compliments Velocity well? Which would be the mains and crosses and at what tensions if 50# is my baseline tension with FB multi? Thanks for the suggestions.
Switch to Velocity 16 at 52.
 

Anton

Legend
Strings update:

1. Popped Cyclone 19g @48 (TW) in the middle-upper part of the center main within about 7 hours, which is faster than usual. Upside is big spin and playability throughout.

2. 17g@49 Klip Legend ngut main, 18g@47 Lux Ace poly hybrid - 10 hours played and still looked to be in great shape...unfortunately the center main popped on the top grommet :(.

Mixed bag compared to Cyclone 19, but definitely an awesome setup for an all-courter and/or someone with more classic strokes.

Pros - more comfort and feel once broken in, better slice/voley and placement. Very dependable on flat shots.
Cons - spin is more work.

3. Will string today 18g Cyclone with proportional method @ 48 lb reference tension. Will test this weekend.
So strung it up proportionally (WISE head, constant pull) and ran straight to courts. Slightly stiff as expected, because strings had no time to settle, but already very consistent feel across the stringbed and nice stability with some give outside of sweespot. Touch play and slices working niiice, just land the ball anywhere on the strings.

Smashed my rusty opponent 6-0, 6-0. Tommrow a real test against a fit player that often beats me.


Here is the map (make sure to use starting clamp on top cross, not starting knot):

 
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tomato123

Professional
Legend 18/Black Magic 18 still holding for me at 10 hours. Still no idea when it will break but I will definitely be sticking with this setup, as gut/poly feel on this racquet is just way too good. But admittedly, I don't have as strong a topspin game on my forehands so I still have some challenges with consistency reeling in the power at 50lbs/47lbs.

I do feel like my game "ceiling" is higher with gut/poly compared to full poly on this racquet, and I could see myself getting to the next level once I could dial in the power of the natural gut. I am definitely going to get a second racquet with Tour Bite Soft to use for matches, and use the gut/poly frame for practice and lessons. My goal is to get to a point where the gut/poly performs better for me in matches, but I'm not quite there yet.

I'm probably going to raise the tension to something like 55/52 next time around with Legend/Black Magic, and the only experimentation I'll probably do is try out different crosses like Max Power or Co-Focus.
 

borgpro

Semi-Pro
I did it 3 weeks ago. No problem. Felt very safe. That said i like the racket. But will probably not switch to it. Yes the specs are great. But the negative for me was: too round/wide headshape (lost some of the pinpoint precision there) a bit too sluggish and not great for my arm. To me the ps85 is still so much better in the feel/scalpel department.. But it is a top 5 racket for me still.. That said i have a pretty unusual game, sort og like a Santoro with a one handed backhand, and forehand lol.. and very picky as well..
how, which company, can you let me know? Thanks!
 

Anton

Legend
Legend 18/Black Magic 18 still holding for me at 10 hours. Still no idea when it will break but I will definitely be sticking with this setup, as gut/poly feel on this racquet is just way too good. But admittedly, I don't have as strong a topspin game on my forehands so I still have some challenges with consistency reeling in the power at 50lbs/47lbs.

I do feel like my game "ceiling" is higher with gut/poly compared to full poly on this racquet, and I could see myself getting to the next level once I could dial in the power of the natural gut. I am definitely going to get a second racquet with Tour Bite Soft to use for matches, and use the gut/poly frame for practice and lessons. My goal is to get to a point where the gut/poly performs better for me in matches, but I'm not quite there yet.

I'm probably going to raise the tension to something like 55/52 next time around with Legend/Black Magic, and the only experimentation I'll probably do is try out different crosses like Max Power or Co-Focus.
55 seems really high - lockout or constant pull machine?
 

ttrokarr

New User
So strung it up proportionally (WISE head, constant pull) and ran straight to courts. Slightly stiff as expected, because strings had no time to settle, but already very consistent feel across the stringbed and nice stability with some give outside of sweespot. Touch play and slices working niiice, just land the ball anywhere on the strings.

Smashed my rusty opponent 6-0, 6-0. Tommrow a real test against a fit player that often beats me.


Here is the map (make sure to use starting clamp on top cross, not starting knot):

Is it Sergetti method?

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
 

Anton

Legend
Is it Sergetti method?

Sent from my SM-G900T using Tapatalk
No. Just straight proportional stringing map where tension is determined by string lengh as a % of reference tension.

Sergetti method is also proportional but takes into account string type and seems to use more complex, proprietry calculations. Ends up with higher tension on crosses...which hasn't worked well for me in a few aplications.

It's also French, so no P93 map yet lol.
 
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Anton

Legend
Constant pull. Maybe 52 or 53 makes more sense?
I think so. I’d use the map - that way you can have tighter sweetspot and more stability outside of it - so more consistency overall.

Just add 10% to all mains and maybe 4% to crosses so you get 53/50 reference tension.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Switch to Velocity 16 at 52.
I added four rows of Elastocross string savers to my 93P in a last ditch attempt at upping the tension. I added them across the top two rows and bottom two rows and I couldn't believe those little pieces of plastic would make the balance feel so head heavy. I had to remove the top two rows and kept the bottom two rows to minimize the shift in balance. I avoided the sweet spot because I wanted the strings to slide for spin.

In any case, I didn't notice much tension increase, but a more clubby feel with being heavier which I didn't like. I'll just cut out the Velocity 17. One thing to note is that it's a great string for slicing. Even when I don't think I carved the ball enough, the shot still stays low with plenty of underspin. Will I lose that action with Velocity 16? I could go Velocity 17 @ 55# or try what @Dartagnan64 suggested and use 16 gauge at a slightly higher tension.
 

stephenclown

Professional
I added four rows of Elastocross string savers to my 93P in a last ditch attempt at upping the tension. I added them across the top two rows and bottom two rows and I couldn't believe those little pieces of plastic would make the balance feel so head heavy. I had to remove the top two rows and kept the bottom two rows to minimize the shift in balance. I avoided the sweet spot because I wanted the strings to slide for spin.

In any case, I didn't notice much tension increase, but a more clubby feel with being heavier which I didn't like. I'll just cut out the Velocity 17. One thing to note is that it's a great string for slicing. Even when I don't think I carved the ball enough, the shot still stays low with plenty of underspin. Will I lose that action with Velocity 16? I could go Velocity 17 @ 55# or try what @Dartagnan64 suggested and use 16 gauge at a slightly higher tension.
For Nat gut imo elastocross increase mains sliding rather than reducing it. Should be similar for multifilaments. I have heard bad things about stringsavers? (wilsons one) for reducing movement but no such thing with babolats. I had some great feel, touch and spin with full bed nat gut in my TC90 with elastocross.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I added four rows of Elastocross string savers to my 93P in a last ditch attempt at upping the tension. I added them across the top two rows and bottom two rows and I couldn't believe those little pieces of plastic would make the balance feel so head heavy. I had to remove the top two rows and kept the bottom two rows to minimize the shift in balance. I avoided the sweet spot because I wanted the strings to slide for spin.

In any case, I didn't notice much tension increase, but a more clubby feel with being heavier which I didn't like. I'll just cut out the Velocity 17. One thing to note is that it's a great string for slicing. Even when I don't think I carved the ball enough, the shot still stays low with plenty of underspin. Will I lose that action with Velocity 16? I could go Velocity 17 @ 55# or try what @Dartagnan64 suggested and use 16 gauge at a slightly higher tension.
The best way to increase stringbed stiffness, or at least our perception of it, is to use a Gamma Shockbuster type of dampener and do a "hard-weave" (in stringing lingo) and overstretch a bit. Works for me. Give it a try.
 

stee

New User
I added four rows of Elastocross string savers to my 93P in a last ditch attempt at upping the tension. I added them across the top two rows and bottom two rows and I couldn't believe those little pieces of plastic would make the balance feel so head heavy. I had to remove the top two rows and kept the bottom two rows to minimize the shift in balance. I avoided the sweet spot because I wanted the strings to slide for spin.

In any case, I didn't notice much tension increase, but a more clubby feel with being heavier which I didn't like. I'll just cut out the Velocity 17. One thing to note is that it's a great string for slicing. Even when I don't think I carved the ball enough, the shot still stays low with plenty of underspin. Will I lose that action with Velocity 16? I could go Velocity 17 @ 55# or try what @Dartagnan64 suggested and use 16 gauge at a slightly higher tension.
Not that I tried, but aren't these marketed as reducing friction and therefore increase sliding of the strings?
 

stee

New User
I added four rows of Elastocross string savers to my 93P in a last ditch attempt at upping the tension. I added them across the top two rows and bottom two rows and I couldn't believe those little pieces of plastic would make the balance feel so head heavy. I had to remove the top two rows and kept the bottom two rows to minimize the shift in balance. I avoided the sweet spot because I wanted the strings to slide for spin.

In any case, I didn't notice much tension increase, but a more clubby feel with being heavier which I didn't like. I'll just cut out the Velocity 17. One thing to note is that it's a great string for slicing. Even when I don't think I carved the ball enough, the shot still stays low with plenty of underspin. Will I lose that action with Velocity 16? I could go Velocity 17 @ 55# or try what @Dartagnan64 suggested and use 16 gauge at a slightly higher tension.
Not that I tried, but aren't these marketed as reducing friction and therefore increase sliding of the strings?
 

stephenclown

Professional
Not that I tried, but aren't these marketed as reducing friction and therefore increase sliding of the strings?
This is exactly my experience with them, they reduce a heap of friction and the strings are basically kept new where they are placed. They slide a heap and it makes gut really nice to play with
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
For fun my friend and I did a brief "battle of the retro racquets" with the Phantom 93D strung 47/44 with Tour Bite versus my Pro Staff 85, strung ... tight ... with X-one Biphase. (around 58-60? I dunno. I think I was drunk when I bought and strung that thing so I didn't write it down.) Despite having less spin potential than a typical modern open-pattern 98 or 100, the 93D was a spin machine compared to the PS85. With that tighter, more lively string the PS85 drove a heavy flatter ball. Comfort was good on both frames and because of the smaller heads, both felt very easy to maneuver despite their weight. Both were very satisfying to play with in a "I would be scared to use this in a match" sort of way. If I had to play one in a match, I would pick the Phantom for its extra forgiveness but I might restring it with a hybrid for a bit more pop.

I also tried out his Vcore 97 310g. It felt impressively solid for a lighter racquet and was easy to use, but the swing weight was a bit low for my taste. I would add some lead to the hoop, but wouldn't feel the need to jump all the way to the 330g.
 

tomato123

Professional
Just to try it out, I added 2 grams at the tip today and played some matches, and although it did feel slightly heavier to swing, it actually felt more dialed in for me. I was concerned that I would be launching the ball even more so given my gut/poly setup, but that wasn't the case, and I"m sure there were a number of factors to contribute to that. Defensive shots were rock solid with the combination of increased SW and natural gut, practically had to just stick the racquet out and make contact. I can't imagine I'd add much more lead tape beyond this, though, and I think my frame may be at its "final form" or very close to it. May take a week or so off from playing because I'm starting to get a bum shoulder from playing too much tennis the last month since getting this racquet and having too much fun playing with it.
 

Mitch_1979

New User
This thread has been quiet, so I'll post a follow-up (my original @ #632). After a month (~25hrs) I like this thing even more.

I wrote: "I look for rackets that force me to improve" and the 93P has been doing this for me.
I've come to understand I'm terribly late on the forehand side, and habitually crowd the ball (hit low on the stringbed). I've also figured out my shot selection sucks. Seems I've been spraying forehands for years.

The feedback from the 93P is letting me make strides in understanding and correcting this. I love the reward from this racket when mechanics/footwork are good vs. the scolding I get otherwise.
On the BH side, my 2HBH has always been a more reliable stroke for me, but never a weapon. With this racket I'm starting to hit CC shots with depth & accuracy that's starting to cross those boundaries.

Strings I've tried and didn't like
- Black Code 17 @ 45# - best so far, but died quickly
- Cyclone 17 @ 43# - don't really like this. Too firm. But I'm playing with it currently.
- M: Tour XP 16 @ 43#, C: Wilson Syn. Power 17 @ 48# - this was my first string job w this racket, and after a brief hit it feels terrible. I was looking for better pocketing and maybe widening the sweet spot. I think I got the opposite of what I was looking for.

Once I stabilize my forehand mechanics a little, I think I will try adding some lead.

Hopefully TW releases some demo rackets soon and we get some more opinions in here.
 

time_fly

Hall of Fame
I'm really liking Volkl's V-Torque Tour in thinner gauges in some of my other racquets. Pretty good feel and comfort for a spin poly. I think I will try it in the 93P when my current Cyclone dies. Cyclone is a little firm but not too bad.
 

Biggles77

New User
My normal racquet of choice is a PS90 so I had no issues with the head size.
Does the 18x20 pattern on the Price provide a lively enough stringbed compared to the PS90? Is it noticeably different? My 18x20 experience is limited to the Blade/Pure Storm/Head Prestige YT MP, but each time I found I had to alter my strokes so I keep going back to the PS90 or the RF. I also play with pretty low tensions and open patterns seem to react better to that.
 

Addxyz

Professional
Does the 18x20 pattern on the Price provide a lively enough stringbed compared to the PS90? Is it noticeably different? My 18x20 experience is limited to the Blade/Pure Storm/Head Prestige YT MP, but each time I found I had to alter my strokes so I keep going back to the PS90 or the RF. I also play with pretty low tensions and open patterns seem to react better to that.
This is probably the second 18x20 I've ever played with. I was worried about generating spin, but I had no issues getting the desired spin. Probably have to string lower than 16x19s. The accuracy of this racquet is amazing, comparable to PS90.
 

Biggles77

New User
This is probably the second 18x20 I've ever played with. I was worried about generating spin, but I had no issues getting the desired spin. Probably have to string lower than 16x19s. The accuracy of this racquet is amazing, comparable to PS90.
Looks like I'll have to soon lay my hands on one then.

Does the sweet spot feel larger than the PS90? The 90 is not particularly forgiving so i usually end up with the RF for points. And how does it compare in terms of feel to the 90? Thanks.
 

Addxyz

Professional
Looks like I'll have to soon lay my hands on one then.

Does the sweet spot feel larger than the PS90? The 90 is not particularly forgiving so i usually end up with the RF for points. And how does it compare in terms of feel to the 90? Thanks.
The 93P is a little more forgiving. But stock it has a higher SW than the PS90 so you'll just have to prepare earlier like everyone says. If I get lazy and am slow to the ball, I'll hit outside the sweetspot just like the PS90. 93P has a little less power, a little more feel than the PS90.
 
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