The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

tomato123

Semi-Pro
Looks like I'll have to soon lay my hands on one then.

Does the sweet spot feel larger than the PS90? The 90 is not particularly forgiving so i usually end up with the RF for points. And how does it compare in terms of feel to the 90? Thanks.
According to TWU data,

PS90: 346g, 315 swingweight, 13.6 twistweight, 32cm balance
93P: 346g, 330 swingweight, 13.8 twistweight, 31.5cm balance

So I also agree 93P should be slightly more forgiving.

Really interesting to see this comparison because to me it shows that the 93P, at basically the same static weight, has higher SW, slightly higher TW, and even with all that it is still more headlight than the PS90. To me this shows how much thought went into designing this frame.

But compared to the RF97 autograph, which has a twistweight of 14.9 that's a very big difference if you prefer that degree of stability and forgiveness. And if we even throw in the Pure Strike, which has a twistweight of 15.1 and the Pure Aero, which has a twistweight of 15, all those racquets seem to do a good job of catering to what their player base is looking for. You could probably add lead at 3 and 9 on the 93P to compensate, but personally I don't feel the need to add weight in those areas on this frame as my preferred TW is high 13's. But I know people's preference on this varies quite a bit.
 
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jonestim

Hall of Fame
According to TWU data,

PS90: 346g, 315 swingweight, 13.6 twistweight, 32cm balance
93P: 346g, 330 swingweight, 13.8 twistweight, 31.5cm balance

So I also agree 93P should be slightly more forgiving.
TWU tests only one racquet. That 315 SW is really low.

Racquetfinder specs are based on an average of a bigger sample. Racquetfinder has the latest PS90 with a SW of 325, 327 on the BLX Pro Staff version and 333 on the BLX Tour version.
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
TWU tests only one racquet. That 315 SW is really low.

Racquetfinder specs are based on an average of a bigger sample. Racquetfinder has the latest PS90 with a SW of 325, 327 on the BLX Pro Staff version and 333 on the BLX Tour version.
Ah, interesting, I was under the impression that this was based on an average of multiple frames. Good to know!
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I wish I had my old becker 11 mids back. I do like the tours and may not make the switch, but this stick has sor of the same specs as my old becker 11 mids did. I played the best tenns of my life with them I think. Never thought they were mid sized. I got rid of them and got a couple becker 11 mp's...that was a great stick too, but the mid served like a champ and had a big sweet spot. I am thining this mid with a 18/20 might be a bit like the two Beckers had a prince baby.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
So if I own the likes of old Prestige Mids, some Pro Staffs 90s, Vcores 89Ts and Fischer Vacuum Mid but rarely play with any of them, should I still contemplate adding the 93P to my collection?
 

morten

Hall of Fame
So if I own the likes of old Prestige Mids, some Pro Staffs 90s, Vcores 89Ts and Fischer Vacuum Mid but rarely play with any of them, should I still contemplate adding the 93P to my collection?
Very good question.. same boat here. I got it But hardly use it. Too round for me. PS85 is better. Vacuum 90 too... but it looks good
 

coolschreiber

Hall of Fame
According to TWU data,

PS90: 346g, 315 swingweight, 13.6 twistweight, 32cm balance
93P: 346g, 330 swingweight, 13.8 twistweight, 31.5cm balance

So I also agree 93P should be slightly more forgiving.

Really interesting to see this comparison because to me it shows that the 93P, at basically the same static weight, has higher SW, slightly higher TW, and even with all that it is still more headlight than the PS90. To me this shows how much thought went into designing this frame.

But compared to the RF97 autograph, which has a twistweight of 14.9 that's a very big difference if you prefer that degree of stability and forgiveness. And if we even throw in the Pure Strike, which has a twistweight of 15.1 and the Pure Aero, which has a twistweight of 15, all those racquets seem to do a good job of catering to what their player base is looking for. You could probably add lead at 3 and 9 on the 93P to compensate, but personally I don't feel the need to add weight in those areas on this frame as my preferred TW is high 13's. But I know people's preference on this varies quite a bit.
For a smaller headed racquet 13.8 twist weight is probably equivalent to 14.9 tw in 97 sq in racquet. I think the change would be negligble.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Very good question.. same boat here. I got it But hardly use it. Too round for me. PS85 is better. Vacuum 90 too... but it looks good
Thank you. I'm probably better off stocking up on grommets for the frames I already own or investing in building a twin of my Vantage 90.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
@joohan is your Vantage one of the originals? I had an original or first run Vantage 95 with whatever was the most flexible option Paul offered at the time and I didn't like it much. It still felt pretty stiff. Back then I was looking for a PT280/630 alternative.

On the 93P front, I'm settling in with the frame now and the 12.3oz weight doesn't seem unusual to me anymore after I got used to it. I decided to go back to Xcel 17, but at 55#. It still felt more comfortable than Velocity 17 at 50#. I also like the Xcel sound more. It produces a much louder pop when the ball is struck, especially on serves.
 

stephenclown

Professional
I like it very much. It's quite off my typical midsize frame specs - 310g/315mm - but it's been great so far. Even on clay.



I've been following Your journey, that's what got me really thinking about 93P in the first place.
What RA is your vantage? I thought the vantages came with 63 or 70 but angell only 70. I ended up choosing to keep my 90, it plays more like a 93 imo compared to the ps90. Also has crazy power..
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
is your Vantage one of the originals?
If by original you mean it’s from the time before Paul left and started Angell Tennis then yes, it is. As confirmed by another poster who bought his Vantage 90 from the same seller, it’s 70RA version. It plays in line with Angell TC90 I owned some time ago. @Subaruvich has a 63RA Vantage 90 but it’s not easy to acquire at all.

I think this answers your question as well @stephenclown . Angells 90 comes only in 70RA but it plays really smooth, although I think Vantage 90 plays a bit smoother as far as I can tell. Might be that the graphite of my second hand Vantage has been well played in as opposed to a brand new feel of the TC90 I purchased directly from Paul. I still prefer the overall performance of my BLX PS90 out of all my mids, though.
 

haqq777

Legend
Alright friends, the twin has arrived.



The gentleman I got this from kept it in pristine condition, it's like brand new. The best part; it weights 350g with overgrip and 314mm balance (strung). That is 1 gram and 1mm difference from my first one. Props to Prince QC. I will have to check unstrung as well as swingweight too but the way they both swing feels identical.

This brings me to my question for string experts here. The second one has Head FXP (multi with poly strands). How many grams difference should I expect once I string it with a full bed of 17g poly? I understand that it wouldn't be an exact figure but I am just looking for a good ball park figure.

Also, where can I get a bulletproof ankle? Mine is bad for the next 4 weeks.
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
Alright friends, the twin has arrived.



The gentleman I got this from kept it in pristine condition, it's like brand new. The best part; it weights 350g with overgrip and 314mm balance (strung). That is 1 gram and 1mm difference from my first one. Props to Prince QC. I will have to check unstrung as well as swingweight too but the way they both swing feels identical.

This brings me to my question for string experts here. The second one has Head FXP (multi with poly strands). How many grams difference should I expect once I string it with a full bed of 17g poly? I understand that it wouldn't be an exact figure but I am just looking for a good ball park figure.

Also, where can I get a bulletproof ankle? Mine is bad for the next 4 weeks.
Love to see that.

Green overgrip looks great! Definitely ordering some of those for myself :D
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
FXP Tour is the multipoly. Regular FXP is different. FXP Tour is not a dense string and shouldn't weigh too much. It's also the only string I've found that worked with the TT100P for me.
 

Biggles77

New User
So if I own the likes of old Prestige Mids, some Pro Staffs 90s, Vcores 89Ts and Fischer Vacuum Mid but rarely play with any of them, should I still contemplate adding the 93P to my collection?
Really good question that many of us are asking ourselves. For me it's the promise of a lighter package that appeals. I love the PS90 to bits and use it regularly, but I would take 80% of the capability for 20 gms less.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
Really good question that many of us are asking ourselves. For me it's the promise of a lighter package that appeals. I love the PS90 to bits and use it regularly, but I would take 80% of the capability for 20 gms less.
Is that the 2014 version? I'm a big fan of BLX PS90 but I think that one does not appeal as much to traditional Pro Staff 90 (K90 for instance) users. If you're still looking for that "80% of the capability for 20gm less", you should really check out Angell TC90. Might be exactly what you're after.
 

Biggles77

New User
Is that the 2014 version?
Embarrassed to say this, but I have the K90, Blx Tour, Blx 6.1 and the 2014 edition. Not too fond of the last one, but all the others are great. The Blx tour gets panned for its lack of feel but I'm fine with it because I like it's swing weight. I'll look at the Angell.
 

Toby14

Semi-Pro
FXP Tour is the multipoly. Regular FXP is different. FXP Tour is not a dense string and shouldn't weigh too much. It's also the only string I've found that worked with the TT100P for me.
Just got the FXP tour to try in my TT100P inspied by you. What tension do you use. I will string two racquets one with HDX tour and the other with FXP tour, to see how they compare. Did you try the regular FXP ?

Cheers, Toby
 

shamaho

Semi-Pro
19 pages of thread... can't go through them all just to find out if this has been compared to the venerable POG Mid...
Anyone?
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Just got the FXP tour to try in my TT100P inspied by you. What tension do you use. I will string two racquets one with HDX tour and the other with FXP tour, to see how they compare. Did you try the regular FXP ?

Cheers, Toby
It was strung at 50# on a Prince manual lock out and 45# on a Babolat Sensor electronic constant pull, basically whatever machine used, be on the low end of the recommended tension range. I was able to get good spin through ball pocketing. It felt like catching the ball in a net, so you'd have to not go through the strike zone too quickly and hold it and redirect almost like in Lacrosse. I use a SW grip and finish more across my body than windshield wipe. I've never tried FXP, only the Tour version as I thought it would be safer for my arm being a multipoly than a monopoly.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Can you use low tension poly or does that bug your arm?
I've played with friends rackets strung with poly and it always gave me the twinge cringe. The 93P isn't a soft feeling frame in my opinion, but it's not harsh/crisp either. I've hit with the old classic PS85/95 and they felt stiff and crisp which I dislike. I wonder if an ultra flexible frame like the PP100 and its 54RA would be safe enough to play with a poly. I'd really be afraid to use poly with my 93P because for some reason Velocity 17 even at 50# strung on a manual lock out gave my elbow a twinge after playing.

It could be the resonance and makeup of the string that didn't agree with me. I've been playing with Xcel 16 and 17 for many many years and it's the best compromise I've found. No arm pain, no excess power, but I give up some spin and tension maintenance in return. Xcel has like three phases of playability. Freshly strung it plays great, then after enough tension is lost, it gets very hard to keep balls in, then if I haven't cut it out by then and continue playing, the string eventually goes dead where I have problems just getting the ball over the net.
 

stephenclown

Professional
Just sent my order request to TT, waiting for confirmation to pay. Asked for TB soft 17 at 42 as the discount makes it a nice price.

Asked for 57-59 RA if possible so hoping it is super plush and sweet. Looking for the closest thing possible to the classic head feel. The TC97 felt great so hoping this is nicer due to lower RA and thinner beam.

I just ordered 1 to begin. Im selling some other stuff on the bay - golf and models so when I get some time in with the 93P will probably go for another
 

haqq777

Legend
Asked for 57-59 RA if possible so hoping it is super plush and sweet.
Might be a tough ask. Both mine are 62 RA and the one other in the shop where I go to had someone's lying around and was told it was 63 RA. Strung offcourse. I will definitely say that 93P plays softer than it's RA on Babolat RDC for sure. And it plays buttery soft so you have nothing to worry about :)
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I've had mine on back order for 4 weeks so good luck getting a 57-59 RA model. Just getting a 93P seems to be a challenge. Limited run obviously as I can't imagine the demand is that high. Unless Power Player has more influence than we all thought.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I've had mine on back order for 4 weeks so good luck getting a 57-59 RA model. Just getting a 93P seems to be a challenge. Limited run obviously as I can't imagine the demand is that high. Unless Power Player has more influence than we all thought.
If I do, then I sure have not been compensated for it..lol. I did have to wait a while for my 2nd for a while, so I know the pain.

This is probably the first frame I have preordered without review or feedback. Luckily it worked out quite well for me.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
If I do, then I sure have not been compensated for it..lol. I did have to wait a while for my 2nd for a while, so I know the pain.

This is probably the first frame I have preordered without review or feedback. Luckily it worked out quite well for me.
I'm having to do the same for the first time because Canada isn't bringing any of the phantoms other than the ported version into the country. I just really want to have a little variety in my collection that I know will be arm friendly and offer some different strengths and weaknesses. Having a POG 107, Phantom 100, and Phantom 93P is a nice variety from Prince.
 

stephenclown

Professional
Might be a tough ask. Both mine are 62 RA and the one other in the shop where I go to had someone's lying around and was told it was 63 RA. Strung offcourse. I will definitely say that 93P plays softer than it's RA on Babolat RDC for sure. And it plays buttery soft so you have nothing to worry about :)
If that actually is possible to ask for, I'd love one with that low an RA too :)
TW Staff once told me that RA is possibly the most consistent of racquet specs. Even with lax quality control, RA varies only by +-1.
I hope I can grab a lower RA anyway, I am not too worried, I just prefer lower RA as a safety measure

When ive seen people requesting phantom 100Ps at certain specs there were some outliers, main one being 54 RA as below. Even with the spec listed as 59 it seems that it was mainly lower, unless they requested the lowest RA of their stock

Prince Phantom Pro 100 P (grip size 3, strung w/syngut iirc):

Rck.# Weight Swing weight Balance Stiffness
1. 324.4 311 32 57
2. 324.3 306 31.6 58
3. 324.3 308 31.5 54
4. 324.6 304 31.6 58
5. 325.4 310 31.7 59
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
I hope I can grab a lower RA anyway, I am not too worried, I just prefer lower RA as a safety measure

When ive seen people requesting phantom 100Ps at certain specs there were some outliers, main one being 54 RA as below. Even with the spec listed as 59 it seems that it was mainly lower, unless they requested the lowest RA of their stock

Prince Phantom Pro 100 P (grip size 3, strung w/syngut iirc):

Rck.# Weight Swing weight Balance Stiffness
1. 324.4 311 32 57
2. 324.3 306 31.6 58
3. 324.3 308 31.5 54
4. 324.6 304 31.6 58
5. 325.4 310 31.7 59
Where are the numbers from? My first question from looking at those numbers is whether #3 is really PP100P. It could just be PP100.
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.

stephenclown

Professional
My 93P is on the way, cant wait to play with it. Just bought 1 to start. 1 week to post from the US aint bad, on saturday will be trying the ported beast 98, pure stroke 18x20 and vokl sense 9. Should get a good gauge for frames and feel by the time it arrives
 

stephenclown

Professional
I ordered tour bite soft 17 in at 42 pounds. I want to see how a heap of pocketing feels, I think this is why the PC600 was so coveted? due to 18x20, do you think I could get away with mid 30s with PTP 1.25 or RPM Blast around the same? Previously I was playing alu power at mid 50s in my pure storm limited - this was the last time I played with a very dense 95 or below (headsize on the PSL seems very small).
 
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tomato123

Semi-Pro
Dont waste your gut with Zyex cross - it will slice sthrough it in half the time
Yeah, that is actually for my wife's frame which uses Tonic mains and she is not a string breaker so it lasts a very good while and stays consistent throughout. I thought about using the other half of the zx for my racquet but you've been spot on with your recommendations so far, so I'm content to save it for later.
 
I have really been so tempted to buy 93p for the past couple of weeks but holding on since i already have more frames. I primarily play with Angell TC95/TC97..I have a history of playing with prostaffs..ps90, blx 6.1.90, RF97, PS97, 6.1.95 etc..I have pt280 and TT95 as well...but I really like the feel of thin beam frames like ps90, ps 97S..I play with extreme eastern FH and Eastern 1HBH...I always crave for stability and mass in the hoop with HL balance...seems like this racquet suits me since I really like thin beam frames...PP/Anton or someone, plz advice? And also TW told me that they can find me a frame with lowest weight for $10 additional fee , may be arnd 325 gms but just worried that it may mess up the balance or something since I don't know where would those 5gms be chopped off...or should i just submit the request with regular weight..appreciate the responses...trying to get it with cyclone 17 @45/42 lbs..Arm/shoulder comfort matters to me..
 
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