The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
That's interesting. Maybe why I hit so clean with the damn thing. I will say that when I switched to the 280, the 280 felt a little bigger like it should. But it did not feel bigger in the stringed, just in the fact that it was a bigger frame moving through the air and had a little bit more pop and power.

The more I learn to just chill and trust the 93, the more free power I get. It is very tempting to hit out constantly with this thing because it feels so good, but that's low % tennis.
It usually takes me a couple of weeks to figure out how to make a racquet sing. I mean I can hit ok with them right away but to figure out exactly how to put maximum mojo on the ball takes some feeling around.

Like a blind man at an orgy.

J
 

Power Player

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It usually takes me a couple of weeks to figure out how to make a racquet sing. I mean I can hit ok with them right away but to figure out exactly how to put maximum mojo on the ball takes some feeling around.

Like a blind man at an orgy.

J
Yes. Same. I am still figuring out how I want to shape the ball. Natural instinct at first was to hit through it and very linear, but I am finding I am able to easily use extreme SW and hit the same way I do with the Babolats, except I can still come through the ball a bit more, add sting to it and it stays in the court.

I have to groove it a bit still. I still have moments where I want to just hit straight through the ball, but this thing has some boom, those balls go long for me.

Short story is if you like to hit with more top, this frame's size will not be an issue if you are pretty consistent at hitting the sweet spot.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
One wired thing that buggs me with prince in general is their inconsistency with handle diameter from model to model...so far I own(ed) textreme 100p, phantom 100 , 93p, phantom pro 100 all in 3/8...

100p and phantom pro had smaller 3/8

93p and phantom 100 had bigger 3/8.

Probably only a nut like me would notice but it makes it tough to change racquets mid service motion like I usually do lol...
 

Power Player

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One wired thing that buggs me with prince in general is their inconsistency with handle diameter from model to model...so far I own(ed) textreme 100p, phantom 100 , 93p, phantom pro 100 all in 3/8...

100p and phantom pro had smaller 3/8

93p and phantom 100 had bigger 3/8.

Probably only a nut like me would notice but it makes it tough to change racquets mid service motion like I usually do lol...
I agree, the 93P grip feels slightly bigger, but it works for me. I think it may be more flair on the buttcap, tough to tell. Regardless, it still feels like a 1/4 and not like a Babolat 1/4, which I have to swap out a skin feel for to get right.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
Was your 100p grip the same size?
I agree, the 93P grip feels slightly bigger, but it works for me. I think it may be more flair on the buttcap, tough to tell. Regardless, it still feels like a 1/4 and not like a Babolat 1/4, which I have to swap out a skin feel for to get right.
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Power Player

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Was your 100p grip the same size?
It was a little less chunky. I just went and swung my PA+ that I thinned down with a skin feel to a true 1/4. The P93 is a tiny bit thicker but not enough to where it bothers me at all. I can switch between the 2 rather easily.
 

smalahove

Hall of Fame
I agree, the 93P grip feels slightly bigger, but it works for me. I think it may be more flair on the buttcap, tough to tell. Regardless, it still feels like a 1/4 and not like a Babolat 1/4, which I have to swap out a skin feel for to get right.
I'm pretty fussy about grip sizes, and this is my experience as well. I've measured quite a few grips, even one of my old Prince Graphite Pro 90s which felt so much bigger but they all measured more or less the same. The flare/taper of the butt cap and the grip material (soft, paddy synthetic material vs. tight and firm leather), as well as the handle shape (head/wilson/prince, rectangular vs octangular) gives me at least the impression of grip size diffs.
 

ohiostate124

Professional
The grip feels bigger than listed? I really hope they release a 5/8 version then. I know I could put sleeves on it but I really prefer not to immediately take off the original grip.
 

haqq777

Legend
I own the Phantom 100 (ported) and the 93P. They have exactly the same 4 3/8. I always use overgrip on top but even without it, I don't feel any difference. I even swapped leather with Prince Resipro just to test this.

Interestingly enough, I always felt they were bigger than usual 4 3/8 which now multiple posters are confirming.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
It was a little less chunky. I just went and swung my PA+ that I thinned down with a skin feel to a true 1/4. The P93 is a tiny bit thicker but not enough to where it bothers me at all. I can switch between the 2 rather easily.
I think the 93P's leather grip is thicker and compresses less than the PP100P's synthetic grip and that accounts for the 93P's grip feeling slightly larger. Plus if you through on an overgrip, that just adds to it.

Maybe I should get it 2 sizes down instead of 1. I'll definitely need a cushy overgrip on top of the leather. Is the 93P stable on off center hits? If I go 2 sizes down, I can't have the racket twisting in my hand from being too small causing tennis elbow.
 
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jonestim

Hall of Fame
I like a Prince grip between 3 and 4, so I was considering getting a grip 4 and a TW 1.3mm Leather grip that I would wrap tightly. Slightly smaller, slightly lighter and great bevel feel.
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
I think the 93P's leather grip is thicker and compresses less than the PP100P's synthetic grip and that accounts for the 93P's grip feeling slightly larger. Plus if you through on an overgrip, that just adds to it.

Maybe I should get it 2 sizes down instead of 1. I'll definitely need a cushy overgrip on top of the leather. Is the 93P stable on off center hits? If I go 2 sizes down, I can't have the racket twisting in my hand from being too small causing tennis elbow.
It’s extremely stable on off center hits. No flutter at all
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I think the 93P's leather grip is thicker and compresses less than the PP100P's synthetic grip and that accounts for the 93P's grip feeling slightly larger. Plus if you through on an overgrip, that just adds to it.

Maybe I should get it 2 sizes down instead of 1. I'll definitely need a cushy overgrip on top of the leather. Is the 93P stable on off center hits? If I go 2 sizes down, I can't have the racket twisting in my hand from being too small causing tennis elbow.
Wow, no. That's way too much. I just use my grip size of 1/4 and it's fine. I do use an overgrip as well. It's not that noticeable unless you are hyper sensitive.
 

Power Player

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The grip feels bigger than listed? I really hope they release a 5/8 version then. I know I could put sleeves on it but I really prefer not to immediately take off the original grip.
Barely..I mean, it's super subtle. I always regrip babolats with skinfeels because they feel too big, but I have not even thought about it with the Prince.
 

Power Player

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You understood correctly. PL is Power Level, not head size.

Got it. I never think about the PL numbers. They almost seem made up to me. For example, I don' t think the power difference between the PT280 and PC600 is much different.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
I use wilson shock shields on Prince 3/8 and put an overgrip on that. The shock shield is not too soft but has the weight of leather. Makes my grip size on prince perfect.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Wow, no. That's way too much. I just use my grip size of 1/4 and it's fine. I do use an overgrip as well. It's not that noticeable unless you are hyper sensitive.
Wow 1/4 with a skin feel overgrip. My fingernails would be digging into my palms. I usually use a 3/8 with 2-3 overgrips depending on how much cushioning, weight or bevel feel I want. Of course I used to use 1/2 and occ 5/8 back in the day when all grips were man size.
 

Power Player

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Wow 1/4 with a skin feel overgrip. My fingernails would be digging into my palms. I usually use a 3/8 with 2-3 overgrips depending on how much cushioning, weight or bevel feel I want. Of course I used to use 1/2 and occ 5/8 back in the day when all grips were man size.
ok? I guess my point is that Babolat base grips are thick and bulky which make people feel that the Babolat grip is too big. It's actually the base grip that causes that.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
ok? I guess my point is that Babolat base grips are thick and bulky which make people feel that the Babolat grip is too big. It's actually the base grip that causes that.
Yes I've always felt a Bab 3/8 were bigger than wilson and prince. Only used to need one overgrip with my Pure Drive and Aeropro.
I'm just shocked at men that can use a 1/4 since standard 3/8 usually feels so small.
 

Power Player

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Yes I've always felt a Bab 3/8 were bigger than wilson and prince. Only used to need one overgrip with my Pure Drive and Aeropro.
I'm just shocked at men that can use a 1/4 since standard 3/8 usually feels so small.
Tons of men use 1/4, plenty on the pro tour. A lot of us use SW grips, so maybe that is why. But regardless, this is not uncommon or really shocking at all.
 

J011yroger

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Yes I've always felt a Bab 3/8 were bigger than wilson and prince. Only used to need one overgrip with my Pure Drive and Aeropro.
I'm just shocked at men that can use a 1/4 since standard 3/8 usually feels so small.
Idk, I know people with smaller hands than me who use bigger grips and people with bigger hands that use smaller grips. It's just preference I guess.

J
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Do frames with small grips such as 1/8 and 1/4 have the same balance and weight as the larger grip sized ones? I wonder if manufacturers factor that in with their manufacturing process or they just add some lead tape to the smaller grip sized frames or the differences are so minute that it falls within the acceptable range of variation.
 

Power Player

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Do frames with small grips such as 1/8 and 1/4 have the same balance and weight as the larger grip sized ones? I wonder if manufacturers factor that in with their manufacturing process or they just add some lead tape to the smaller grip sized frames or the differences are so minute that it falls within the acceptable range of variation.
Yes they do. Don't drive yourself nuts with these details..lol. It's an endless rabbit hole. Hopefully you can get the frame in your hands and have a nice pleasant hit with it soon.
 
Do frames with small grips such as 1/8 and 1/4 have the same balance and weight as the larger grip sized ones? I wonder if manufacturers factor that in with their manufacturing process or they just add some lead tape to the smaller grip sized frames or the differences are so minute that it falls within the acceptable range of variation.
No, Dartangan's man grip certified racquets probably weigh in at 20 lbs each. 400 points headlight though.
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
I own the Phantom 100 (ported) and the 93P. They have exactly the same 4 3/8. I always use overgrip on top but even without it, I don't feel any difference. I even swapped leather with Prince Resipro just to test this.

Interestingly enough, I always felt they were bigger than usual 4 3/8 which now multiple posters are confirming.
This is exactly my experience Ported Phantom and 93p feel exactly the same it’s the other that were smaller
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
No, Dartangan's man grip certified racquets probably weigh in at 20 lbs each. 400 points headlight though.
How'd you guess?

Now where's my Tool Time meme?

I think I'm just an old fogey. I'd always been told L1 and 2 were for ladies and L4 and 5 were for men and L3 was in between (Big handed ladies and small handed men). I thought when folks talked about using smaller grip size there were referring to L3. I guess I've been mistaken. I'll have to give my wife's rackets a spin to see if the L2 offers anything to my game.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I'm just shocked at men that can use a 1/4 since standard 3/8 usually feels so small.[/QUOTE] WTF! There's no 'that's what she said' ????
 

BDAZ

Professional
One wired thing that buggs me with prince in general is their inconsistency with handle diameter from model to model...so far I own(ed) textreme 100p, phantom 100 , 93p, phantom pro 100 all in 3/8...

100p and phantom pro had smaller 3/8

93p and phantom 100 had bigger 3/8.

Probably only a nut like me would notice but it makes it tough to change racquets mid service motion like I usually do lol...
I hate that. I bought a PCG 100 in 4 3/8 and it's tiny. Feels more like 1/4, or even inbetween 1/4 and 1/8. I put leather on it, and need two overgrips, and it still feels a little small. I considered a shrink sleeve, but didn't want to add weight and change the balance. It also feels more rectangular (like Head) rather than round like it's supposed to be.
 
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