The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

shaysrebelII

Professional
How does it play compared to the tc95 16x19?
My tc95 16x19 is 27.25, which probably gives it a different feel from the standard length version. They’re quite different. I prefer the 93p because, even though the tc95 is a spin monster, its control has been somewhat erratic for me. I dig the extra action I get on my serve with the tc95 though.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
How does it play compared to the tc95 16x19?
The Tc95 is great. Less of a direct feel, more loft to it and a lot of spin. I really liked mine, but I prefer the P93. The feel is even better, IMO and it lends itself to a more balanced type of baseline play for me.

Agree with Shays post above. Much more control with the P93.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
This is truly the best racket in the market. I play mostly from the baseline! and this racket beats even the all-time classics from there. Even in serves, there is nothing quite like it where spin, power and accuracy comes so easily. It’s just a pure joy to play with. But is it really a 93? Just compared it with the Pro Staff 97S and see no difference. Maybe the Pro Staff 97S (*second version) is actually a 95” racket and the 93P is actually closer to 95. Just wondering.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
This is truly the best racket in the market. I play mostly from the baseline! and this racket beats even the all-time classics from there. Even in serves, there is nothing quite like it where spin, power and accuracy comes so easily. It’s just a pure joy to play with. But is it really a 93? Just compared it with the Pro Staff 97S and see no difference. Maybe the Pro Staff 97S (*second version) is actually a 95” racket and the 93P is actually closer to 95. Just wondering.
Well it feels like a Midsize which is what I love about it. I think mids give you an advantage when it comes to racquet speed and maneuverability. And then as you said, it seems bigger due to width. So really, its the best of both worlds for me.
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
Just got a demo with Hyper G. Strung at 45 but probably at 40ish now. I can restring this and my go to setup is poly/syngut hybrid. Is this going to be a problem?
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Golden Set HexPoly 17g and their regular synthetic gut 17g. I'm playing tomorrow night and will report back.
I did the hybrid setup for years. Not sure your style, but if you hit heavy spin, try full poly at low tension next. If you go 17 or 18 gauge and string under 45#s, it turns the frame into a complete beast.

Hybrid setup needed higher tension for me - usually around 49 or more pounds. And for whatever reason I just played a flatter game with it and made more errors. The low tension poly lets me get under the ball and rip it more, and it’s really easy to do that with the P93.

This may not apply to you at all, so in that case just ignore everything I just posted. Lol.
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
I did the hybrid setup for years. Not sure your style, but if you hit heavy spin, try full poly at low tension next. If you go 17 or 18 gauge and string under 45#s, it turns the frame into a complete beast.

Hybrid setup needed higher tension for me - usually around 49 or more pounds. And for whatever reason I just played a flatter game with it and made more errors. The low tension poly lets me get under the ball and rip it more, and it’s really easy to do that with the P93.

This may not apply to you at all, so in that case just ignore everything I just posted. Lol.
I totally agree. I rely heavily on spins for my game and don't deny that full polys work best. But I've got sensitive elbows and the hybrid is a compromise :) True you lose some spin potential but I've learned how to play with it. I've got the racquet until Sunday and have three scheduled hits before I have to return it. I have Topspin Cyber Blue 17. I'll probably try that next.
 

Searah

Rookie
my shop only has phantom 100 - phantom pro 100 - phantom pro 100P.

is the 93P just to old? :( why my shop not have!
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
i wanted to demo tho :( in australia every racket is like $200-$340. so i can't just buy a racket and hope it suits me :(
93P is a weird one. Can find it everywhere in US, can only find one particular non-TW online seller sells in Europe/UK. Think it was never officially brought to Australia. A friend bought mine from Singapore though.

Perhaps Prince sees limited marketability in a mid-sized racquet outside the US :/
 

stephenclown

Professional
93P is a weird one. Can find it everywhere in US, can only find one particular non-TW online seller sells in Europe/UK. Think it was never officially brought to Australia. A friend bought mine from Singapore though.

Perhaps Prince sees limited marketability in a mid-sized racquet outside the US :/
I'm in Australia and bought 2 through Singapore after one through the US store. Not enough demand here to be honest. I play with one maybe two other players who genuinely appreciate older frames and their response/feel

Most rec players just use Babolat and Wilson because they are the most readily available. It is sad to see because other brands offer fantastic alternatives.

I am going to trial pro line evolution and rpm blast at 32lbs next. Never played with anything close to this combo of low tension and dense pattern and probably won't try above 40 again
 
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kenyee

Semi-Pro
i wanted to demo tho :( in australia every racket is like $200-$340. so i can't just buy a racket and hope it suits me :(
Maybe post the city you're in and hope someone here will let you hit with theirs?
Racquets cost as much in the US. Prince racquets are not in any stores near me... Just through tennis warehouse...and the demo only gave a hint of what it could do because the strings were too tight.
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
So I had a 1.5 hitting session with a friend last night and got to demo the 93P strung with Poly 17g/SynGut 17 hybrid at 41/43. The 93P was everything you guys say it was. I had no complaints at all. But I don't think I would be buying this just yet. Because I get all these from my current C10 Pro (strung with same hybrid set up but at 49/51) in spades. They're practically twins except for some negligible differences. If it had been between my Prince Tour 100 18x20 or POG 107's, yes, I'd probably get this.
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Hoping they come out with a 16/19 or 16/20 version in 2019, would love to try it. Just friggin hate stringing 18/20's, so I refuse to test in fear of liking it.
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
i wanted to demo tho :( in australia every racket is like $200-$340. so i can't just buy a racket and hope it suits me :(
Are you able to get demos of the other Phantom racquets?

If you could demo something like the Phantom Pro 100P, it should give you a good idea of how the Phantom frames as a whole feels like.

And then it might be worth getting a demo of something like the TT95 to get a feel for the smaller head size and anticipate that the 93P will be a bit heavier, have more control and plowthrough, and a lower launch angle. Maybe less spin. Sweet spot should be similar enough between the 93P and the TT95. If you like the TT95, I think you will also like the 93P.

This is what I did before the 93P demos became available. I demoed the Phantom 100 along with the TT95 and a couple other racuqets that had similar specs. But also keep in mind the Phantom 100 has the O-Ports, so that is a significant difference in feel, but it should still give an idea of how the thin beam swings and moves around.
 

Boubi

Rookie
Thanks. Looking forward to your feedback and comparison.
Just coming back from a parallel demo of 93P vs Babolat pure drive tour +; test was made indoor

Feel:
Both racquets felt soft but clear advantage to 93P (strung with wilson revolve 17g; surprisingly, this felt very soft even though rated 216 on TW university)
The only racquet I could compare to 93P is the max 200 G (the one used by McEnroe in the 80's); even if RA is low, the racquet does not wobble at impact

Maneuverability:
Babolat is very fast but 93P is also maneuvrable; no real issue here

Stability:
93P seemed perfect in this department, return of serves were excellent (I could enter the court to attack some balls and come in), racquet is very stable (I played against a 6.0, his serves are not out of this world but they are fast)

Backcourt:
Babolat (strung with RPM blast) has too much power in my opinion, balls sometimes fly, I played too long several times, a little bit the same behavior as the extreme pro
93P: slice backhands are a dream, really fantastic, very good stability, no overhitting; one interesting point is that when a racquet suits well my game, I tend to play inside the court (and with nowadays racquet, this is rare): that was the case with the 93P. As opposed to the RF97, I had no problem to move it fast in emergency situations

Net:
93P is excellent but not as good as the reference (RF97); I would rate it 19/20 though
Babolat: lack of feel but very maneuverable, you dont feel the extended length

Of all the racquets I tested, 93P is one of the best along with C10pro (Volkl) and RF97
At net, it is only surpassed by the 97RF
In the backcourt, it is as good as the C10pro if not better
Where it shines is slice backhand and return of serve
 

grhcan99

Semi-Pro
Just coming back from a parallel demo of 93P vs Babolat pure drive tour +; test was made indoor

Feel:
Both racquets felt soft but clear advantage to 93P (strung with wilson revolve 17g; surprisingly, this felt very soft even though rated 216 on TW university)
The only racquet I could compare to 93P is the max 200 G (the one used by McEnroe in the 80's); even if RA is low, the racquet does not wobble at impact

Maneuverability:
Babolat is very fast but 93P is also maneuvrable; no real issue here

Stability:
93P seemed perfect in this department, return of serves were excellent (I could enter the court to attack some balls and come in), racquet is very stable (I played against a 6.0, his serves are not out of this world but they are fast)

Backcourt:
Babolat (strung with RPM blast) has too much power in my opinion, balls sometimes fly, I played too long several times, a little bit the same behavior as the extreme pro
93P: slice backhands are a dream, really fantastic, very good stability, no overhitting; one interesting point is that when a racquet suits well my game, I tend to play inside the court (and with nowadays racquet, this is rare): that was the case with the 93P. As opposed to the RF97, I had no problem to move it fast in emergency situations

Net:
93P is excellent but not as good as the reference (RF97); I would rate it 19/20 though
Babolat: lack of feel but very maneuverable, you dont feel the extended length

Of all the racquets I tested, 93P is one of the best along with C10pro (Volkl) and RF97
At net, it is only surpassed by the 97RF
In the backcourt, it is as good as the C10pro if not better
Where it shines is slice backhand and return of serve
Very nice assessment of the 93P. All your observations match mine. If I am using any other racquet besides the C10 Pro I'd switch. I also like the frame shape better than the C10 Pro. I like wider rather than longer frames. That's why I liked my previous Head Youtek IG Extreme Pro 2.0 except for the stiffness rating. And this explains why I never shanked a ball with the 93P except initially when I was adjusting to the faster swing speed. With the Volkl PB10 Mid 93 before I was shanking like crazy.

Bottom line is if I'm new to both the C10 Pro and the 93P I'd most likely go for the 93P. It took me years to finally settle down with the C10 Pro. The 93P would hardly require a break in.
 

Mkiske

Rookie
My opinion is that the 93P is better than the 100P. I acquired both and just sold the 100P. I felt the 93P was a lot better in every aspect. I am trying to buy the Pro 100 and compare against the 93P. But so far the 93P is a keeper.
It's good to know! In every aspect? 93P isn't less powerful than 100P? Or not to much?
I'll begin with tests soon... Let´s see.
 

Boubi

Rookie
I remember 100 P as being sluggish whereas 93P was soft, accurate, comfortable and fantastic on the return of serves
To be tested outdoor though
 
Really enjoying the 93p after swapping out the leather with synthetic...it’s at 346 gms now strung with cyclone 18 @45..with leather I felt it was too much HL and little sluggish...it’s still very HL and easily manuerable as well...serving is really a delight especially the flat ones...
 
Mine’s strung with Cyclone 17 black at 45, I’m going to go lower soon. Played some mixed doubles with some retirees (slow motion) and really noticed the lack of power outside the sweet spot. Top of the hoop was like a black hole when there was no power to feed off of.

Hitting hard against hard hitters is great, and it was mostly fun today, just a little less forgiving on miss hits.


Hoping for more with a different string setup, but will continue to use this as my go to stick.


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Dartagnan64

Legend
Just coming back from a parallel demo of 93P vs Babolat pure drive tour +; test was made indoor

Feel:
Both racquets felt soft but clear advantage to 93P (strung with wilson revolve 17g; surprisingly, this felt very soft even though rated 216 on TW university)
The only racquet I could compare to 93P is the max 200 G (the one used by McEnroe in the 80's); even if RA is low, the racquet does not wobble at impact
PDT+ soft? I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.

I'd describe the 93P as comfortably crisp and the PDT as uncomfortably harsh provided they were both strung with the same poly setup. The Phantom 100 is soft.

I was really enjoying the racket today. The new setup with Gut at 50lbs and Max Power at 42lbs has settled in and really is sweet to hit with. Just the right amount of power with excellent control. Man I love this racket. Need to get another one when I'm down at the Indian Wells Parabas tourney in March.
 

PBODY99

Legend
My 10 hours demoing the 93 P vs my 100_P was interesting, but compromised since I did not want to resting the demo which came strung with Poly.
I may give the 93 P another try this spring, if the Feb release Phantoms do not strike my fancy.
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
PDT+ soft? I'm not sure that word means what you think it means.

I'd describe the 93P as comfortably crisp and the PDT as uncomfortably harsh provided they were both strung with the same poly setup. The Phantom 100 is soft.

I was really enjoying the racket today. The new setup with Gut at 50lbs and Max Power at 42lbs has settled in and really is sweet to hit with. Just the right amount of power with excellent control. Man I love this racket. Need to get another one when I'm down at the Indian Wells Parabas tourney in March.
Would you mind sharing what type of forehand grip you use? I use gut/poly at 8 lb differential as well with gut at mid-low 50's and considering going to 50 as well, but I have a eastern forehand and my shots generally tend to be on the lower launch angle side and I wonder how differently the lower tension would play.
 

markwillplay

Hall of Fame
So what is the consensus about gut mains in this stick as far as tension goes. I have some 17 ga klip legend and have bought two of these damn sticks to try again. Can't help myself now that I have some time to really work on my game. If they don't work out, I will stay with my tt100p's. I thought I would try maybe legend/cream. Do you think 55/50 or more like 50/45? I always think I should go to the top of the rec tension with nat gut but you guys and gals know more about this stick than I do.
 

Anton

Legend
So what is the consensus about gut mains in this stick as far as tension goes. I have some 17 ga klip legend and have bought two of these damn sticks to try again. Can't help myself now that I have some time to really work on my game. If they don't work out, I will stay with my tt100p's. I thought I would try maybe legend/cream. Do you think 55/50 or more like 50/45? I always think I should go to the top of the rec tension with nat gut but you guys and gals know more about this stick than I do.
50 lb nat gut main
 

scotus

G.O.A.T.
This is truly the best racket in the market. I play mostly from the baseline! and this racket beats even the all-time classics from there. Even in serves, there is nothing quite like it where spin, power and accuracy comes so easily. It’s just a pure joy to play with. But is it really a 93? Just compared it with the Pro Staff 97S and see no difference. Maybe the Pro Staff 97S (*second version) is actually a 95” racket and the 93P is actually closer to 95. Just wondering.
Prince 93 has a very round face, so it is horizontally as wide as, if not slightly wider than, many 95s and 97s that are oval-faced.

Vertically, however, it is shorter than those other racquets.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Would you mind sharing what type of forehand grip you use? I use gut/poly at 8 lb differential as well with gut at mid-low 50's and considering going to 50 as well, but I have a eastern forehand and my shots generally tend to be on the lower launch angle side and I wonder how differently the lower tension would play.
I have a strong SW FH (i.e. a little closer to Eastern). My launch angle is a bit lower with the phantoms than other rackets. I've been steadily dropping tensions with the 93P and I think 50 is where I'll stick with the gut mains. Seems just about perfect.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
IMO these photos really show why smaller head sizes are so much better for serving; you're approaching long body levels of leverage re distance from butt cap to sweet spot with that high a bridge. It also looks like with the relatively generous width of this racquet there really isn't much of an issue re increased risk of shanking with the smaller head size. All the extra real estate on the 100 is down low and wide, so all you're really gaining from the bigger headsize on any given shot is more trampolining/higher launch angle. Obviously some prefer this feel, and it's certainly useful on defence, but if you're trying to enhance the serve...
 
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Boubi

Rookie
So what is the consensus about gut mains in this stick as far as tension goes. I have some 17 ga klip legend and have bought two of these damn sticks to try again. Can't help myself now that I have some time to really work on my game. If they don't work out, I will stay with my tt100p's. I thought I would try maybe legend/cream. Do you think 55/50 or more like 50/45? I always think I should go to the top of the rec tension with nat gut but you guys and gals know more about this stick than I do.
I tested it with Wilson revolve 17g and it was very soft to the arm
Interestingly enough, I also tested RF97 with the same strings and although it was stiffer, that stiffness did not bother me
 

morten

Hall of Fame
Prince 93 has a very round face, so it is horizontally as wide as, if not slightly wider than, many 95s and 97s that are oval-faced.

Vertically, however, it is shorter than those other racquets.
Thats why i can't like it enough. Too wide and round..
 

Mkiske

Rookie
IMO these photos really show why smaller head sizes are so much better for serving; you're approaching long body levels of leverage re distance from butt cap to sweet spot with that high a bridge. It also looks like with the relatively generous width of this racquet there really isn't much of an issue re increased risk of shanking with the smaller head size. All the extra real estate on the 100 is down low and wide, so all you're really gaining from the bigger headsize on any given shot is more trampolining/higher launch angle. Obviously some prefer this feel, and it's certainly useful on defence, but if you're trying to enhance the serve...
Perfectly well noted! I have not been able to test yet because of a persistent injury.:cry:
 

gvsbdisco

Semi-Pro
Received a 93p for xmas. Have it strung up with VS Team Mains and RS Lyon 1.20 crosses at 45/35. Haven't hit it yet. I suspect it will be shank city for a bit as i have a tendency to hit lower in the frame and have never played regularly with a mid. Should be interesting. I will say this...of all racquets I have owned this is the only one where if you hold the throat of the racquet and bounce a ball on the stringbed there are ZERO vibrations.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
Received a 93p for xmas. Have it strung up with VS Team Mains and RS Lyon 1.20 crosses at 45/35. Haven't hit it yet. I suspect it will be shank city for a bit as i have a tendency to hit lower in the frame and have never played regularly with a mid. Should be interesting. I will say this...of all racquets I have owned this is the only one where if you hold the throat of the racquet and bounce a ball on the stringbed there are ZERO vibrations.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised at how well you hit with the frame. It is the easiest and most fun to hit midsize frame that I’ve tried.
 
This is my cut to the chase post, since even though I’ve tried, I can’t possibly get through the 40+ pages on this thread before the Grim Reaper comes calling. Is there a string consensus in the 93P? From what I’ve read, people like RS Lyon or Isospeed Cream 17 in the low 40’s (40-42?)

It’s past time to restring my 93P. First try I used Cyclone 17 black at 45. Felt ok but a little stiff/boardy, now I’m noticing a lot of shots (esp slow volleys at the top of the hoop) just falling off my strings like a wet rolled up newspaper. I’d like to open up the sweet spot and get a little more pop, was thinking of Cylcone 17 orange at 42, so as not to change too much at once, but should I skip it and just try Cream or Lyon? Also toying with a Gut/poly hybrid at 55/45 (or 52/42?) to test the elasticity of the gut? I tried Volkl’s gut/Cyclone hybrid at 50/45 in my PPP10P after I hurt my shoulder, and I really had to adjust to keep the ball in the court. Went beyond ball-pocketing into slingshot territory. Started avoiding the sweetspot entirely.


I’m 50, reasonably fit and strong, only a few isolated issues with arm pain, moderately aggressive all-court style with a strong serve for my level (hovering around 4.0 I think) and trying to increase my spin, but not relying on a topspin-heavy game.


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