The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

Based on the excellent reviews, very tempted to get one, but am using the prestige mid at the moment, so not too sure if there will be a difference. Has anybody played with the IG Prestige Mid (or any version of the prestige mid) and the 93p and make a very brief comparison? Thanks! :)
If you play great with a Prestige Mid, you probably don't need to switch. I have three IG Prestige Mid's that I absolutely love. That said, I am getting everything I would get from a Prestige Mid with the 93P, and it is as forgiving as the Prestige MP, or more. It really is a solid midsized racket that plays much bigger than its headsize.
 
Based on the excellent reviews, very tempted to get one, but am using the prestige mid at the moment, so not too sure if there will be a difference. Has anybody played with the IG Prestige Mid (or any version of the prestige mid) and the 93p and make a very brief comparison? Thanks! :)
I had the PT600 for a while. 93P not as muted, similarly plush but the 600 is just a bit more solid. I felt Flat hitting was still better with the 600 but topspin and rallying hands down to the 93p. Serving better with the 93p due to angles and how fast the racquet comes through as well.

Prestige mids are 89.5 inch and narrow whereas the 93p is as wide as a 97 or 98. The Prince also has a more open pattern and is very whippy for its weight but still has excellent control.

If you can demo give it a go, if not, I would say still give it a go. It's an outlier in the market at the moment and the textreme feel and thin throat make for an incredibly fun frame.
 
Personally the 93p is generally not as demanding as a Prestige mid. If you really crack a flat ball in the sweet spot of the Prestige, the feel might be a touch better than the 93p...but the margins are small here IMO.
 
Based on the excellent reviews, very tempted to get one, but am using the prestige mid at the moment, so not too sure if there will be a difference. Has anybody played with the IG Prestige Mid (or any version of the prestige mid) and the 93p and make a very brief comparison? Thanks! :)
I did... As fas as I remember, the prestige was more difficult to play with; it was also firmer or at least the feel was very different, had less control... So imo, 93P much better
The only racquet I could compare the 93P is the dunlop max 200G (the one of the eighties)
 
Based on the excellent reviews, very tempted to get one, but am using the prestige mid at the moment, so not too sure if there will be a difference. Has anybody played with the IG Prestige Mid (or any version of the prestige mid) and the 93p and make a very brief comparison? Thanks! :)
The IG prestige mid is so great. I think a lot of people have covered it but the thing about the P93 is for many, it is ready to play out of the box. I found the prestige to need a little more SW for me, so it was always a balancing act there. The reason I love the P93 is it is putting 350 grams and 330+ SW on the ball yet it doesn’t feel like it. In many ways, it reminds me of a better balanced Yonex TourG. That frame was balanced a little wrong and felt like a log, or it would have been world class.

I think the P93 is easier to use and more powerful than the Prestige. The Prestige may feel a little softer, but the feel of the P93 is as good, it’s just a little different and has a bit of a Wilson firmness added in. You should be able to switch between frames with not much issue, so if you wanted to give one a go it wouldn’t throw you off by much at all.
 
It's impossible for me to ignore the fact that the 93p is an aesthetic masterpiece on top of being a great racquet. It's got a "Stranger Things" vibe to it: it's retro, current, and futuristic all at the same time.

I'm glad I prefer it to prestige mids, but I'd play with it over any of them even if I didn't.
That’s something I always forget to mention. The PJ on the P93 rules, IMO.
 
Based on the excellent reviews, very tempted to get one, but am using the prestige mid at the moment, so not too sure if there will be a difference. Has anybody played with the IG Prestige Mid (or any version of the prestige mid) and the 93p and make a very brief comparison? Thanks! :)
I have not played with the IG mid but I have played with the Prestige Touch Mid, the latest one that came out last year, I think. I linked my TW playtest review in the previous page of this thread well. Some pictures here.

Anyway, it is a very good racquet the Prestige Touch mid, but 93P is better, in my opinion. The 93P indeed feels and plays a bit bigger than Prestige Touch mid and it also has a bigger sweetspot. The feedback on 93P is softer on ball contact (using poly strings for both at same tension). The 93P does have a lower launch angle because of the denser pattern, but very stable and precise. Mid has excellent precison too but it is less stable I felt. For the power level, I felt Phantom was lower powered than Prestige Touch Mid. It was also more stable on off center hits.

Hope that helps a bit. In the end, nothing beats demoing so I would recommend trying it first.
 
Honestly, it really sucked for me when I began noticing it, but I couldn’t get to the drop shots and such that I would have dug out around 45, or so. I’m still one of the faster player, and my daughter is one of the fastest player in her team, but currently at 49, I just don’t feel that I have the leg strength or stability that I used to have. Also, I’ve been cramping a lot, which is also horrible. I can still hang with young players in their 20’s and 30’s who’s played competitive tennis but only for a set or two, and I am out with cramps... because I am not in shape to keep going hard against more fit players.

What can be done at my age to get, even get a step back? Not even asking for two steps.
Magnesium gel has done wonders for my cramping and leg fatigue and it is quite inexpensive.
 
It’s like the anticipation is a sales ploy to make some justvpull that trigger :)

I got some feedback from Troy in the TW thread, very tempting
Haha true true. What did Troy think about it? I know he likes classic feeling heavier racquets. Did he give positive feedback on the 14x18?
 
More or less as expected, more spin and a higher launch angle, his negative was that it was a little more challenging to hit a faster put away through the court.
 
I dont really feel that way. In fact, i feel i can swing a bit smoother than i do with other frames and still getting just as much plow through the ball. Actually requiring less effort and making serving easier as the match goes along

Ive won my first few matches with it very easily against a few players i nornally play pretty close. Will poat more updates after i get into a grind

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I dont really feel that way. In fact, i feel i can swing a bit smoother than i do with other frames and still getting just as much plow through the ball. Actually requiring less effort and making serving easier as the match goes along

Ive won my first few matches with it very easily against a few players i nornally play pretty close. Will poat more updates after i get into a grind

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I have hitting partner, he's in his 60's now, but in his prime he was a very promising junior before getting a regular job. Even though he's older his tennis is effortless, while I'm literally dying to keep up (he hits an old school heavy flat ball and is a serve and volley player), he's just cruising along barely breaking a sweat.

So I don't disagree with your logic, except that I'm probably just not at that level personally, but I am literally trying to convince myself that if I got the 93P then I would be forced to play better tennis...
 
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I’d agree, I just don’t think I could do it over the course of a 2 hour match.
You would get used to it haha. It's less work than the rf97 for over 2 hours. Like everything it can take some time though. You were not any different until right at the end the other day and the 93p hits such a heavy ball. I play 3 hours of doubles easily with my heavier frames and that includes serving much harder than the other day as well, so nearly back to my required fitness.

Any time you're up for another hit but might not have that frame for much longer if the guy I play Tuesday's with is keen. I will be restringing them shortly so they will feel better. Clay should be open in a week or two to check out it's topspin capability.
 
You would get used to it haha. It's less work than the rf97 for over 2 hours. Like everything it can take some time though. You were not any different until right at the end the other day and the 93p hits such a heavy ball. I play 3 hours of doubles easily with my heavier frames and that includes serving much harder than the other day as well, so nearly back to my required fitness.

Any time you're up for another hit but might not have that frame for much longer if the guy I play Tuesday's with is keen. I will be restringing them shortly so they will feel better. Clay should be open in a week or two to check out it's topspin capability.
The RF97A was killer for me after the first hour, but my technique has improved since then. Problem now is I hate my current racket now!

I think the difference at the end our hit was you had your eye in and were just picking off my shots at will.

And I should tell you now, I do not like playing on clay, it significantly increases the likelihood I’m going to smash my racket.
 
Anyone compare 93p x yonex tour f 93?
I thought the Tour F 93 was a decent frame that needed a lot of weight for it to be more effective. It also felt brassy and stiff to me. Needless to say, I didn’t keep it around for too long. As ar as the Yonex Mids are concerned, the Tour 89 was nicer than the F93. That said, the 93P has better feel and better all-around playability (*easier to play) than both F93 & Tour 89.

Like I’ve always said, the 93P is an awesome mid that is as forgiving as the MP’s. I don’t think anything comes around as quickly and as easily to swing, especially for its weight class.
 
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If you mean aggressive tennis and short points then I’m with you, but sometimes you just end up against a grinder who just stays in the points long enough to wear you down.
I always find some way to end a point. Sadly it’s usually an error. But I’d rather lose on my own terms than put up with how my body feels after 2 hours of running on cement. That’s a 2 day recovery process these days.

Admittedly I’ve never thought about the 93p as being tiring to serve with. It’s much less tiring than my POG107. And I’ve played many 3 hr doubles sessions and 1.5 hour singles sessions.
 
I dont really feel that way. In fact, i feel i can swing a bit smoother than i do with other frames and still getting just as much plow through the ball. Actually requiring less effort and making serving easier as the match goes along

Ive won my first few matches with it very easily against a few players i nornally play pretty close. Will poat more updates after i get into a grind

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Same, I find this frame pretty easy to use over time. That was the biggest surprise, as I expected it to be demanding and too heavy. I just chill out and let the frame do the work.

It also helps that I can play more dynamically and make the other guy work more; instead of baslining the whole time with brush shots, I vary it up a lot more and set up winners a lot better.

IMO, pure baselining against a great player is the most demanding way to play tennis. Doesn’t even matter what frame you are using in that situation.

I played an almost 3 hour singles match on clay last year in crazy humidity. That sucked, but I pulled it off. It would have sucked with any racquet, IMO.
 
Can this frame be as good as everyone says? I've never seen so many insane reviews for a stick. I love my RF97 but today I bought the Phantom Pro 93P and am going to see what all the fuss is about. Will it dethrone my RF97? Anton, can you do a comparison between the 93P and your RF97?
When I played with the RF97, I wished for a racket that was thinner beamed, less stiff and less tiring to play. It did everything well, but it felt like I was swinging a log. With the 93P, it may not have the inherent power that the RF97 posseses, but the power with the 93P comes from confidence of swinging freely. The 93P has predictable responses, accurate, stable and super easy to swing. You will definitely notice how quickly the 93P comes around compared to the RF97. It’s so much fun to be able to play aggressively without having the fear of loss of control. Some say the the 93P lacks power, but the racket really awards attacking style of play.
 
Can this frame be as good as everyone says? I've never seen so many insane reviews for a stick. I love my RF97 but today I bought the Phantom Pro 93P and am going to see what all the fuss is about. Will it dethrone my RF97? Anton, can you do a comparison between the 93P and your RF97?
You are about to hit the best inside out forehands of your life. In fact, you may never hit another backhand.

Been playing with markwillplay's 93ps strung gut mains / syn crosses at 50/45. Way more power than full poly. But it's got all the feels and all the power one could want.
 
I'm having to do the same for the first time because Canada isn't bringing any of the phantoms other than the ported version into the country.
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Having a POG 107, Phantom 100, and Phantom 93P is a nice variety from Prince.
It, the 93p, is now available in Canada at a tennis retailer located in Markham, Ontario. Beautifully design and built, great grip and nice balance from shadow swinging in the store. Sampras would be happy

PM me if you can't figure out who it is. Cheers.
 
It, the 93p, is now available in Canada at a tennis retailer located in Markham, Ontario. Beautifully design and built, great grip and nice balance from shadow swinging in the store. Sampras would be happy

PM me if you can't figure out who it is. Cheers.
Well now that I’ve got 2, I’m good. But I have seen it in Canadian retailers online. So nice to see it around these parts.
 
I have high expectation when I bought 2 93p last year, strung with my regular Klip gut/Lux Original setup at low tensions, unfortunately they awaken my tennis elbow which has not been a problem for a few years even playing with the Wilson 90's, 2015 Blade 16x19 or the IG Prestige Pro, I play with the Diablo Mid and MP as well, just hesitate whether to take the chance trying the 14x18 in the coming months.
 
There are a lot of possible reasons you ended with TE while playing with the 93P, a different string pattern is only going to change one of those possible causes, one which is probably low on the list of likely clauses when compared to all the other factors.
 
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I don’t think either of things is going to stop many from departing with their cash, including me, if I can’t live the dream at least I can buy into the illusion for a short while...
I'm at well over 10 hours of singles play time in last 3 days. This racquet should hopefully help inspire all its users to new fitness levels. Mid rally last night it sounded like my partner's rf97 string broke, but the frame itself cracked (the ball was not mishit).

Going to relax today, probably, or maybe play doubles.

93p does not cause tennis elbow. You are correct.
 
I posted this on the Clash thread but is just as much a comment on the 93P.

I received my Wilson Clash on Wednesday, dropped it off for the stringers and forunately(or maybe not) it was ready today before my 3.5 USTA singles match. I had a warmup court and decided to try it out.

A little background on my racquet history. I'm a certified racquetholic like many here. For the past year or so, I've been mostly using the P17 Pure Strike 16x19 but also have had Angell TC95, Pure Drive Tour/Plus, Prince Phantom Pro100P, Phantom 93P, and Angell TC90 in my bag. I was at my peak in term of groundstrokes with the Pure Strike 1.5 months ago then developed tennis elbow(big surprise). I had planned to play with the 93P today because of the arm friendly specs and good plow.

On to the warm-up with the Clash, strung with Lux Alu Power green 125 at 52lbs. First impression, it felt amazing. I could put tons of spin and swing on the racquet and still keep the ball in. My backhand has been a problem over the past few years going between the 1H and 2HBH. I never hit 2HBHs so well, finally able to get the ball to clear the net more consistently. It was very lightweight and manueverable. Plowthrough was decent but I decide to stick 2in lead strips at 12, 3, 9, and some blutack from another racquet into the buttcap. The serve was not quite as good. I'm a lefty with a heavy topspin/slice serve. All of my serves were initially going long. I decided to hit thru the ball more and a tighter spin. The result was a loopier, heavy serve but not as fast if that makes sense. To top it off, my elbow felt fine, with a brace on. So for the 2nd time this USTA season, I decided to start a match with a newly acquired racquet. Last month, I did that with the Textreme Tour 100(310g), started losing and came back to win with the Pure Strike.

During warmup, I learned that my opponent was a heavy wristy topspin player with a 1HBH. His serves were mostly kick serves with decent pace. I won the toss and deferred as I usually do(using the logic that the nerves/short warmup leads to early breaks). Unfortunately, I was the one that lost my first serve and was quickly down 3-0. I found that trying to have a baseline battle against another player with heavy topspin wasn't this racquet's forte. It doesn't have enough plow, even with the little weight I added. I just couldn't hit many outright winners and he wasn't making mistakes. My serves with good but he had no trouble hitting aggressive returns. He attacked my backhand a lot on his serves and I wasn't able to effectively block it back with my one handed slice backhand(haven't grooved my 2HBH for ROS). I lost the set 6-2. I did switch to my 93P when down 5-2.

The 2nd set was a totally different story. I figured out the timing of how to return his serve, he hit less to my backhand and had a lower 1st serve percentage . I broke his serve to start off and gave my first USTA bagel after grooving my serve. My serves were just much flatter and faster with the 93P. Aced him a few times down the middle on deuce and hit into the body and wide on the ad serves. I was also able to hit more penetrating groundstrokes for winners. He also made more unforced errors. So it was a combination of things that led to the turnaround. In the supertiebreak, it was a nailbitter. We both DFed out first service points. I made a few errors, was down 3-6. I then ran off 7 straight points to win the match courtesy of my serves and his UFEs.

I'm definitely keeping the 93P now(was considering selling it or trying the new string pattern Phantoms). I think I will still trying out the Clash some more, add more lead to get it to my preferred 320-330gm swingweight. I think my game though, despite being a lefty, not like Nadal's style but more like Delpo or even Fed. Not sure if I'm going back to the Pure Strike at some point. It's the only racquet I have more than 1 copy of. My wife also plays with it and had tennis elbow too, refuses to believe it's the racquet.
 
I posted this on the Clash thread but is just as much a comment on the 93P.

I received my Wilson Clash on Wednesday, dropped it off for the stringers and forunately(or maybe not) it was ready today before my 3.5 USTA singles match. I had a warmup court and decided to try it out.

A little background on my racquet history. I'm a certified racquetholic like many here. For the past year or so, I've been mostly using the P17 Pure Strike 16x19 but also have had Angell TC95, Pure Drive Tour/Plus, Prince Phantom Pro100P, Phantom 93P, and Angell TC90 in my bag. I was at my peak in term of groundstrokes with the Pure Strike 1.5 months ago then developed tennis elbow(big surprise). I had planned to play with the 93P today because of the arm friendly specs and good plow.

On to the warm-up with the Clash, strung with Lux Alu Power green 125 at 52lbs. First impression, it felt amazing. I could put tons of spin and swing on the racquet and still keep the ball in. My backhand has been a problem over the past few years going between the 1H and 2HBH. I never hit 2HBHs so well, finally able to get the ball to clear the net more consistently. It was very lightweight and manueverable. Plowthrough was decent but I decide to stick 2in lead strips at 12, 3, 9, and some blutack from another racquet into the buttcap. The serve was not quite as good. I'm a lefty with a heavy topspin/slice serve. All of my serves were initially going long. I decided to hit thru the ball more and a tighter spin. The result was a loopier, heavy serve but not as fast if that makes sense. To top it off, my elbow felt fine, with a brace on. So for the 2nd time this USTA season, I decided to start a match with a newly acquired racquet. Last month, I did that with the Textreme Tour 100(310g), started losing and came back to win with the Pure Strike.

During warmup, I learned that my opponent was a heavy wristy topspin player with a 1HBH. His serves were mostly kick serves with decent pace. I won the toss and deferred as I usually do(using the logic that the nerves/short warmup leads to early breaks). Unfortunately, I was the one that lost my first serve and was quickly down 3-0. I found that trying to have a baseline battle against another player with heavy topspin wasn't this racquet's forte. It doesn't have enough plow, even with the little weight I added. I just couldn't hit many outright winners and he wasn't making mistakes. My serves with good but he had no trouble hitting aggressive returns. He attacked my backhand a lot on his serves and I wasn't able to effectively block it back with my one handed slice backhand(haven't grooved my 2HBH for ROS). I lost the set 6-2. I did switch to my 93P when down 5-2.

The 2nd set was a totally different story. I figured out the timing of how to return his serve, he hit less to my backhand and had a lower 1st serve percentage . I broke his serve to start off and gave my first USTA bagel after grooving my serve. My serves were just much flatter and faster with the 93P. Aced him a few times down the middle on deuce and hit into the body and wide on the ad serves. I was also able to hit more penetrating groundstrokes for winners. He also made more unforced errors. So it was a combination of things that led to the turnaround. In the supertiebreak, it was a nailbitter. We both DFed out first service points. I made a few errors, was down 3-6. I then ran off 7 straight points to win the match courtesy of my serves and his UFEs.

I'm definitely keeping the 93P now(was considering selling it or trying the new string pattern Phantoms). I think I will still trying out the Clash some more, add more lead to get it to my preferred 320-330gm swingweight. I think my game though, despite being a lefty, not like Nadal's style but more like Delpo or even Fed. Not sure if I'm going back to the Pure Strike at some point. It's the only racquet I have more than 1 copy of. My wife also plays with it and had tennis elbow too, refuses to believe it's the racquet.
It was nice to read your experience. I think the 93P shines when you play aggressively. It rewards attacking style of play. I’m primarily a baseliner, and I try to end points early with the 93P. I can really get aggressive hitting cross court shots and open up the court. It’s just such a pleasure serving with the 93P. Makes me feel like Stefan Edberg sometimes with the kick and the placement I get. Love never ends with the 93P.
 
Can this frame be as good as everyone says? I've never seen so many insane reviews for a stick. I love my RF97 but today I bought the Phantom Pro 93P and am going to see what all the fuss is about. Will it dethrone my RF97? Anton, can you do a comparison between the 93P and your RF97?
I think the easiest way to describe 93P is it’s a slightly softer PS85 with a more playable head size.

In stock form RF97 is way more stable, spinny and powerful compared to 93P that plays swifter but doesn’t dominate the ball like 97RF. It’s like a hammer vs scalpel.

With some lead and tiniest string diameter you can find at low tension on 93p things get more even. 93’s stringbed will not feel as big as RF97 but you’ll get comparable depth of shot and stability, on the upside you get better comfort and more swift feel.
 
definitely keeping the 93P now(was considering selling it or trying the new string pattern Phantoms). I think I will still trying out the Clash some more, add more lead to get it to my preferred 320-330gm swingweight
Was this the Clash or Clash Tour?
Mildly curious about the Tour from the hype train but I also really like the 93p.
 
I think the easiest way to describe 93P is it’s a slightly softer PS85 with a more playable head size.

In stock form RF97 is way more stable, spinny and powerful compared to 93P that plays swifter but doesn’t dominate the ball like 97RF. It’s like a hammer vs scalpel.

With some lead and tiniest string diameter you can find at low tension on 93p things get more even. 93’s stringbed will not feel as big as RF97 but you’ll get comparable depth of shot and stability, on the upside you get better comfort and more swift feel.
Awesome. Can you beat the same players with the 93P compared to using your DR98 or RF97? Is the 93P sufficient for higher level 5.0+ and tournament play or is it just an awesome fun frame?
 
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