The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

What diff. Between string pattern 14x18 and 16x20?
It’s probably the string spacing that you should be more concerned about. I think the 14x18 in a 93” isn’t all that different from the 16x19 of a tweener. The pattern should give you some more spin compared to the 18x20.
 
I get so much spin from the 18X20 i'm definitely sticking with that pattern for the extra control. I also got gobs of spin from my i-prestige mids. I did find that my rpms increased with the 18X20 pattern in these frames. The balls are just nastier.
 
I get so much spin from the 18X20 i'm definitely sticking with that pattern for the extra control. I also got gobs of spin from my i-prestige mids. I did find that my rpms increased with the 18X20 pattern in these frames. The balls are just nastier.
You mean it lets you hit out more without sailing the ball? Because apples to apples more open pattern should launch the ball with a higher angle and spin.
 
ok guys picked one of these rackets up, I have Hyper G, Vokyl Cyclone and Quasi Gut Armor strings, which should I use for this racket and at which tension? For reference I use around 53lbs for Hyper G in the OG Pure Strike and DR98
 
I'm interested in the best strings for this frame... what are your experiences? I need to move off of playing with poly due to elbow issues. Is anyone playing with basic synthetic gut on this monster?
 
ok guys picked one of these rackets up, I have Hyper G, Vokyl Cyclone and Quasi Gut Armor strings, which should I use for this racket and at which tension? For reference I use around 53lbs for Hyper G in the OG Pure Strike and DR98
My vote goes for Cyclone. Your 93P Pattern? Guage of string?

I use 17g Cyclone at ~50lb in my DR98 (52 in the summer), ordered 93P 14X18 wioth same string at 48lbs

One thing I'm really looking forward to is testing out natural gut main hybrid in 14x18....will it make K90 obsolete?
93P 18x20 wasn't bad with this setup but I could feel 17g natural gut was just too thick for that string spacing and some of the sweet pocketing Fed frames have was missing.


P.S. leave Quasi Gut to go fishing or something.
 
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ok guys picked one of these rackets up, I have Hyper G, Vokyl Cyclone and Quasi Gut Armor strings, which should I use for this racket and at which tension? For reference I use around 53lbs for Hyper G in the OG Pure Strike and DR98
I've been working my way down tension wise. Big hyper g fan, always feels nice and soft to my arm.

Perhaps try 50 if you want to start working your way down too.

Have Prince XP 18g at 42 and feels great.
 
I'm interested in the best strings for this frame... what are your experiences? I need to move off of playing with poly due to elbow issues. Is anyone playing with basic synthetic gut on this monster?
I tried OGSM 17 and it was surprisingly good. Not as long lasting as gut/cream ( which I’d also suggest for elbow sensitive) but at $4 a set it was a bargain.
 
You mean it lets you hit out more without sailing the ball? Because apples to apples more open pattern should launch the ball with a higher angle and spin.
I get spin off both frames, a higher natural launch with the RF97 yes, but i get more rpms and a more aggressive nastier spin with the 93P and the i-Prestige Mid. It's probably due to the thinner beam and smaller heads allowing me to ramp up my racquet head speed. So i can match the launch angle of my RF97 by adjusting my stroke and the end result of spin is nastier. Obviously string patterns effect launch but stroke mechanics are the real determining factor. Guga got gobs of spin with his 18X20. But yes, the RF97 does get the ball deeper easier due to the launch angle. My shots never sail or launch, lol. What's really exciting about this stick is that it feels like the larger PS85 i always wanted. Michelle the tw playtester was also getting more power and spin from the 93P vs her usual stick the RF97.
 
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I'm interested in the best strings for this frame... what are your experiences? I need to move off of playing with poly due to elbow issues. Is anyone playing with basic synthetic gut on this monster?
Gut syn at 50/45 feels great. A little more power than I like. But if I had to move from poly I'd experiment more w this setup.
 
I get spin off both frames, a higher natural launch with the RF97 yes, but i get more rpms and a more aggressive nastier spin with the 93P and the i-Prestige Mid. It's probably due to the thinner beam and smaller heads allowing me to ramp up my racquet head speed. So i can match the launch angle of my RF97 by adjusting my stroke and the end result of spin is nastier. Obviously string patterns effect launch but stroke mechanics are the real determining factor. Guga got gobs of spin with his 18X20.
Whether you are correct or not, I agree 100% :)
 
I get spin off both frames, a higher natural launch with the RF97 yes, but i get more rpms and a more aggressive nastier spin with the 93P and the i-Prestige Mid. It's probably due to the thinner beam and smaller heads allowing me to ramp up my racquet head speed. So i can match the launch angle of my RF97 by adjusting my stroke and the end result of spin is nastier. Obviously string patterns effect launch but stroke mechanics are the real determining factor. Guga got gobs of spin with his 18X20. But yes, the RF97 does get the ball deeper easier due to the launch angle. My shots never sail or launch, lol. What's really exciting about this stick is that it feels like the larger PS85 i always wanted.
No doubt more rpms = more spin, but 18x20 in itself doesn't cause more rpms unless maybe if it gives you more control and confidence to swing faster.
 
No doubt more rpms = more spin, but 18x20 in itself doesn't cause more rpms unless maybe if it gives you more control and confidence to swing faster.
In my case it's definitely the thinner beam and smaller head allowing me to increase my RHS which is yielding more rpms. Of course topspin, launch angle and rpms are three different things. It would be interesting to
find out if a tighter string pattern does increase rpm's, same stroke same player same racquet 16X19 vs 18X20.................measure the results. Would Thiem get more rpms if he switched to a 16X19?

Does more strings (tighter string bed) contacting and gripping the ball at impact create more friction and therefore more rpms.
 
In my case it's definitely the thinner beam and smaller head allowing me to increase my RHS which is yielding more rpms. Of course topspin, launch angle and rpms are three different things. It would be interesting to
find out if a tighter string pattern does increase rpm's, same stroke same player same racquet 16X19 vs 18X20.................measure the results. Would Thiem get more rpms if he switched to a 16X19?

Does more strings (tighter string bed) contacting and gripping the ball at impact create more friction and therefore more rpms.

I have the same experience. The racquet speed i can generate with this frame is fantastic. Its a great frame for hitting deep constantly without missing long too often.

Honestly the secret to great spin for me was a higher takeback. I learned that from a national player who hit massive spin with an old school 18x20 radical.
 
I have the same experience. The racquet speed i can generate with this frame is fantastic. Its a great frame for hitting deep constantly without missing long too often.

Honestly the secret to great spin for me was a higher takeback. I learned that from a national player who hit massive spin with an old school 18x20 radical.
It's like a controlled rage. The ball is just nasty and aggressive.
 
I often wonder if the spin benefits of 16x19 are over stated at high RHS. I think at slower speeds, the 18x20's will get a lot less snapback and string movement. But at high speeds Its likely the collision forces will easily overcome any string inertia in the tighter string beds and offer similar levels of spin and snapback. Lot of pros with 18x20's or tight 16x19's out there getting huge spin.

For me the 18x20 is just so superior on control that any spin would be fine with me. The fact that I can get good levels of spin and all that juicy touch and directional control is a big plus.
 
I'm right between Eastern and SW. I've been a 16x18 or 16x19 player my whole career, until this frame. It has taken some effort on my part to adjust to the lower launch angle. But also, previous to switching to the 93p, I had gotten into some bad technical habits with my forehand. Changing to a 18x20 frame forced me to address those technical flaws. It hasn't been all roses and puppy dogs, but it's really coming along now. Now I'm able to accelerate the racquet way more that I ever could with the PA - with confidence that the ball will stay in. Icing on the cake? My slice backhand was always a weapon with frames I used in the past. Now it's even better. Dare I say filthy, totally different level. Even more icing on the cake? In my 38 years, 20 or more of which I've played this game, I've never volleyed this well - both in terms of the quality of the volleys I can hit, and the improvement in consistency. I haven't changed anything technical with my volleys, so most (if not all) of the improvement has to be attributed to the racquet in some way.

Hyper G 18 at 40 lbs was perfect for me. Very controlled, but plenty of pop when I needed it. It continued to get better as it broke in, until maybe 2 weeks down the line it finally tapped out. I've been testing some Tier One strings for the last few string jobs. So far, haven't found anything that wowed me like Hyper G did. I also have a set of RS Lyon 17L to try at some point. But if nothing else, I know I can go back to Hyper G 18 and be happy.
 
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I read a lot of the customer feedback and one person said SW will probably not like this, glad to see this is not true!
I don’t know why, everything said about it playing bigger than a 93 are true. It’s wider than my Dunlop bio 200 by a descent margin, but the hoop is shorter. For me this helps because the sweet spot feels just a bit farther towards the tip so I am hitting the sweet spot much more often. That with the width and it’s an easier frame to play for me.
 
I read a lot of the customer feedback and one person said SW will probably not like this, glad to see this is not true!
I think it matters more with your style of play than actual placement of your hand. In my opinion, the 93P rewards attack minded players. It may not be the best option for the topspin baseliners who like to grind out points because there are lighter sticks that can generate more power and spin than the 93P. However, I’d rather pick my spot and build a strategy to end points sooner than hitting hard, spinny balls to the general area over and over until someone makes an error first.

By the way, the 93P is pretty versatile, imo. I’m more in between SW & Eastern now, but I was originally SW.
 
Isn't more power from the extra stiffness instead of from the more open string pattern?
Ditto sweet spot?
This review isn't helping 93P owners who are happy w/ the current 18x20.... :unsure:
 
@kenyee

While the stiffness is definitely a contributing factor, I think the launch angle is more salient in producing easier depth. The higher RA did crisp up the feel though.

If people are happy with the 18x20 that's great! Don't fix something that isn't broken :)

-Sean, TW
Exactly. The 14x18 offering is awesome, but i get good trajectory with the 18x20. I have no real need to open up the pattern, but now other people have options - which is great.
 
Exactly. The 14x18 offering is awesome, but i get good trajectory with the 18x20. I have no real need to open up the pattern, but now other people have options - which is great.
I could see myself using the 18x20 as a doubles frame and a 14x18 as a singles frame for days I just want to trade groundies. But I'm too addicted to the 18x20 control to give it up as a main racket.
 
Got my 93P 14x18 - not much chance to hit with yet, but looks very open. A lot more give from the stringbed even with a fresh stringjob, so I'm glad I went with 17g over 18g.
 
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I think I like the low launch point on the 18x20. I havent hit the 14x18 but I feel I can hit away without fear of missing and I have had no trouble accessing heavy spin when I want it

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@kenyee

While the stiffness is definitely a contributing factor, I think the launch angle is more salient in producing easier depth. The higher RA did crisp up the feel though.

If people are happy with the 18x20 that's great! Don't fix something that isn't broken :)

-Sean, TW
Thanks for the feedback, Sean. On the point of "crispness": was it the same string tension you played the 14x18 and the 18x20 at? If at the same tension, a 14x18 pattern would feel softer by virtue of the ball sinking more into the stringbed. And Prince might have decided to firm up the frame as an offset.
 
If people are happy with the 18x20 that's great! Don't fix something that isn't broken :)
I meant racquetholism
I'm a bit curious about how much crispness it added too....at least in theory, the open string pattern should taken away some feel so it should be about even.
Would be curious to see what the 18x20 folks think about the new pattern ..
 
I meant racquetholism
I'm a bit curious about how much crispness it added too....at least in theory, the open string pattern should taken away some feel so it should be about even.
Would be curious to see what the 18x20 folks think about the new pattern ..
Probably won't demo the pattern. Don't need more spin. Don't like the way open patterns look, especially after a session when the strings start moving.

Love the TW video reviews, but would be great if they could add a tester who is hitting the ball with more pace and spin.
 
I wish I had the extra cash to pick up a 14x18. I think it would be tempting to use both of them, but tend towards the 14x18 when wanting to trade groundstrokes more. I love the 18x20 though, I don't think it could be replaced for the touch and control, especially when flattening out the ball.
 
I’ve actually been dealing w the same issue. This is my first Prince and my thought is it has something to do w the handle shape. I find that I grip this stick a little tighter with my thumb and first finger than other sticks. Was thinking moving up a grip size from 4 3/8 to 4 1/2 might help.
It's definitely the handle shape. My FU finger and leading to my index finger are in insane pain. I had this only once before with a defective RF97 where Wilson forgot to add silicone to the handle. In general i've experimented with many different handle sizes and never had this issue. I certainly don't grip the racquet too tight, lol. I probably should have gone a grip size up when purchasing. I added a 2nd over grip but then I couldn't feel the bevels and the grip felt too rounded.
 
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