The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

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I think encouraging people to start at mid-low 40's tension was arguably the best thing to happen to this thread (and the people who have switched to this racquet) because I could see how people (myself included) may have started at something like 50 since it's the middle of the recommended 45-55 range, and gotten turned off by how it plays, and knowing what I know now, I would never go that high on this racquet with poly. Whereas the mid-low 40's with poly really gives it the good blend of playability, ease of use, and comfort, and it pretty much had me sold from day one. So major props to you and the other early adopters for that.
Thanks and i agree. Its so much better at low tensions that i could see how 50-55 could be a non starter for some. Low tension poly is a beautiful thing.
 
Agree. I doubt many people are breaking full bed poly in the 93p before cutting and restringing.

Been playing around too much with different strings to give a great answer as to exact length of time before breaking.

You'll get your money's worth.
I just broke Tourna Black Zone 18g after 17h (it died around the 12h mark). Also broke Tourna Grit 18g after 12h (it had a little life left). Both were strung 2pc at 41# and broke at center main right in sweet spot.

All other full poly string I tried has been 17g and was cut out before breaking.
 
Tried out the 14x18 demo today and wrote a brief summary of my impressions on the 14x18/18x20 comparison thread, but I'll be sticking with the 18x20. I've used it for a year and developed an enjoyable game around it that I'm hopefully improving upon and did not feel that the 14x18 added anything ground breaking to the table for me. The 14x18 is still a great racquet, though, and I could see certain players making their opponents feel miserable trying to keep up with the spins and angles.
 
Something else i noticed today. Last session i used the 93p, and as said had to really adapt to swinging fully loosely and with the whole kinetic chain. 93p makes you do it. Anyways, when i had a hit today, i used my tec315ltd again, and was hitting really well, i felt like safin the way i was ripping my 2hbh. Point being, this frame would be great to have even if just to dial in your shots again if they wander
 
Hey whatever works for you. Seems like an impulsive decison but you should just keep the p93 and mess with it. Never hurts to have it in the bag. The rf97 is a great frame. I really liked the older blx 6.1 95 a lot, such a cool racquet. They just have a concrete response that doesn’t always work for my style of play.

Considering your initial reaction to the p93. Id keep it around. Great frame to have.
I sold my 4 1/4's 93P's and got 4 3/8's. Racquet feels even better now, so I'm keeping them. The RF97 left my bag for about 5 minutes last night and then went back in.
93P all night. LOL.

It's amazing how a seemingly delicate stick can handle pace and go from total finesse to completely blistering the ball moments later. I've never been a flat ball hitter, but I'm starting to get into it when the situation calls for it.
 
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Not to derail thread at all, but I'm just curious if any of you slide on hardcourts. Burning through my kswisses faster than full bed poly in the 93p. Open to suggestions.
 
Not to derail thread at all, but I'm just curious if any of you slide on hardcourts. Burning through my kswisses faster than full bed poly in the 93p. Open to suggestions.
I'm pretty hard on my shoes and found that the ASICS Gel Resolution (*6&7) to last me the longest. If you like the lighter shoes, the Babolat SFX3 offered nice outsole durability.

I think most people will also notice their shoes wearing out more quickly playing with the 93P. I'm always on the attack mode and create all kinds of squeaking sounds from making quick sprints and quick stops.
 
I sold my 4 1/4's 93P's and got 4 3/8's. Racquet feels even better now, so I'm keeping them. The RF97 left my bag for about 5 minutes last night and then went back in.
93P all night. LOL.

It's amazing how a seemingly delicate stick can handle pace and go from total finesse to completely blistering the ball moments later. I've never been a flat ball hitter, but I'm starting to get into it when the situation calls for it.
Looks like another convert. Can I get an AMEN from the congregation?!?
 
Not to derail thread at all, but I'm just curious if any of you slide on hardcourts. Burning through my kswisses faster than full bed poly in the 93p. Open to suggestions.
I slide on clay only, but I mostly play on clay. Shoe wear is never a problem for me. That being said the Solecourt Boosts seem pretty bulletproof and designed for sliding.
 
Maybe create a new post in the shoe forum because you have derailed this thread a bit.
If you note mhkeuns' response it's really not irrelevant. I think myself and other players will have different/better footwork with 93p than other racquets, which may cause more wear on shoes. I know I'm sliding way more on hardcourt than I used to. I'm also running better and faster than I think I ever have.

I do apologize if you or anyone else finds it to be derailing. But I always enjoy recommendations from people who use gear we have common appreciation for.
 
If you note mhkeuns' response it's really not irrelevant. I think myself and other players will have different/better footwork with 93p than other racquets, which may cause more wear on shoes. I know I'm sliding way more on hardcourt than I used to. I'm also running better and faster than I think I ever have.

I do apologize if you or anyone else finds it to be derailing. But I always enjoy recommendations from people who use gear we have common appreciation for.
I’ve noticed my shoes wearing more lately too. Didn’t think that the 93P might have had something to do with it. Hmmm...


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I rallied for about an hour and a half tonight alternating between the 93P and the RF97A. The fella on the other side of the net hit a really heavy ball, but I was able to hang in on most of the points by taking a couple steps back further behind the baseline. It messed with my game plan (less all court, more counter punching), but the 93P could still deliver. Then again, it was so windy out there that it’s kind of hard to draw conclusions.

I’m in kind of string rut with the 93P. Solinco Outlast 18 has been solid, but I’m getting stir crazy. Should I try PLII 18 or SPPP 17L next?
 
I rallied for about an hour and a half tonight alternating between the 93P and the RF97A. The fella on the other side of the net hit a really heavy ball, but I was able to hang in on most of the points by taking a couple steps back further behind the baseline. It messed with my game plan (less all court, more counter punching), but the 93P could still deliver. Then again, it was so windy out there that it’s kind of hard to draw conclusions.

I’m in kind of string rut with the 93P. Solinco Outlast 18 has been solid, but I’m getting stir crazy. Should I try PLII 18 or SPPP 17L next?
The RF97 and the 93P are my two frames at present. Have you tried Volkl Cyclone 18 or 19g?
 

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I sold my 4 1/4's 93P's and got 4 3/8's. Racquet feels even better now, so I'm keeping them. The RF97 left my bag for about 5 minutes last night and then went back in.
93P all night. LOL.

It's amazing how a seemingly delicate stick can handle pace and go from total finesse to completely blistering the ball moments later. I've never been a flat ball hitter, but I'm starting to get into it when the situation calls for it.
Yeah i bet you will go back and forth for a bit but sometimes that is the fun of it. I think you would have missed the p93 if you sold it too fast. Id bring both for 3 months or so and the over time you wil just know. Thats what i did with the p93 and pa+.
 
I have, but not in the 93P. Last time I tried it was probably 5-ish years ago in my IG Prestige Mid, and I don’t remember anything about it. What do you like about it?
I think it's one of the best poly's on the market. Extremely popular. Not too stiff, really grips the ball for exceptional spin, very durable, and a great price. Check out the tw string reviews.
 
I rallied for about an hour and a half tonight alternating between the 93P and the RF97A. The fella on the other side of the net hit a really heavy ball, but I was able to hang in on most of the points by taking a couple steps back further behind the baseline. It messed with my game plan (less all court, more counter punching), but the 93P could still deliver. Then again, it was so windy out there that it’s kind of hard to draw conclusions.

I’m in kind of string rut with the 93P. Solinco Outlast 18 has been solid, but I’m getting stir crazy. Should I try PLII 18 or SPPP 17L next?
Revolve 17 worked well too but was better on rf97
 
Heard from one of the TTW playtesters at the BNPPO yesterday that they had tested an extended length Phantom. Unfortunately, it was not predicted to sell well enough to mass produce. :( Maybe we could get enough ppl to petition to bring it to market.
Well it surely couldn't be the 93P version in a long body. The ported 100 makes the most sense for a long body version as it could handle the increased SW easily.
 
My 18x20 93p arrived today.

Beautiful frame, the 4 3/8 grip is indeed very large compared to the g3 tk82 on my tec315ltd. Had it strung with hyper-g 17g @ 45lbs. Felt verrry stiff when tapping it, but didn't feel as stiff as it felt when playing, but still a bit much for me.
Very low launch angle. Awesome control. Slices are easy to hit and poisonous. Snatched some volleys i was really happy with quite comfortably.

As said, it is hard to defend, you need a healthy swing at everything, you can't just poke a racquet out there to block or flick a ball back.

I put some lead at 12 while getting a drink, maybe a gram or so, for a smidgen more plow, I will keep tinkering to finetune it to my tastes, as it was getting bossed around a bit by the big hitters I'm playing with. And it did feel better even with just that little bit.

Like the tt100p it is comfortable everywhere and with a generous sweetspot.

Didnt get a chance to try returning, had few serves 10 or 15, and it had great control, and i started to get some good kickers happening before we stopped.

I like this frame alot already and dislike nothing about it, it is precisely the kinda frame i like. I like being able to swing out and not have the ball long. Leather grip is soft and nice. I prefer the tecnifibre leather grip but the prince is fine, i use just leather no overgrip.

Going to try hyper g at 40lbs next time. Or klip mains redcode wax crosses, for my elbow issues.

I'm hoping my technique improves by being forced to take a full swing. My 2hbh improved instantly for that very reason. My hitting partner hated it. Must have felt like a limp lettuce leaf compared to his babolat.

Can't wait to get some more time in with it. I'm hoping the stringbed softens soon as it opens up, 45lbs was a little too well done IMO.
That string job will soften up for next time out. Also 17 natural gut mains with 18g soft poly cross will definitely give you more comfort if that’s a concern.

PS, try 1-2g of lead on V throat and a few at 3+9, no lead at 12.
 
So I hit the 14x18 today during 3 hour match play against three opponents.

I didn’t even bother trying to play it stock and so far have 2g on V-throat and 4g on 3+9, with stock leather and overgrip (but took off the black rubber piece on top of handle)

It started out kinda harsh with TW’s one piece string job and I felt I was missing some pocketing - was getting the lift but spin was subpar.

By the third hour strings seem to have settled some and the main was more willing. Still, I think I’ll swap in a synthetic grip for more comfort.
Second time out today, added 1.5g at 4 an 8.

Stepped on the court and HOOOLY MOLLEY, the clouds parted and spin gods smiled - this thing transformed into all out RF1.5

Between a bit extra weight on the lower loop and a more settled stringjob ball domination went to the next level. Just touch it and you get grab and spin, just like in RF97, complete with easy depth, wall-like volleying and easy-peasy touch by the net.

Took me a set to make some technical adjustments to my strokes (more whipping spin, less lazer blasting) but by the second set I got to the promise land. Will be playing 14x18 at this weight setup for a while probably. Natural gut main is up next.
 
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Second time out today, added 1.5g at 4 an 8.

Stepped on the court and HOOOLY MOLLEY, the clouds parted and spin gods smiled because this thing transformed into all out RF1.5

Between a bit extra weight on the lower loop and a more settled stringjob ball domination went to the next level. Just touch it and you get grab and spin, just like in RF97, complete with easy depth, wall-like volleying and easy-peasy touch by the net.

Took me a set to make some technical adjustments to my strokes (more whipping spin, less lazer blasting) but by the second set I got to the promise land. Will be playing 14x18 at this weight setup for a while probably. Natural gut main is up next.
Always look forward to your updates. What would be your go-to strings/gauge/tension for full bed of poly on the 14x18?
 
Heard from one of the TTW playtesters at the BNPPO yesterday that they had tested an extended length Phantom. Unfortunately, it was not predicted to sell well enough to mass produce. :( Maybe we could get enough ppl to petition to bring it to market.
I was actually thinking about extending mine a 1/4 inch. My 1hbh always feels better with an extended racquet
 
Strung up a phantom today and found another sampras dampener and put on the same grip so both of mine are identical. Out of curiosity i weighed them and they both weigh 352 and balance exactly the same. Amazing QC and i have early copies. It sounds like the paint is more resilient on the newer ones.
 
Strung up a phantom today and found another sampras dampener and put on the same grip so both of mine are identical. Out of curiosity i weighed them and they both weigh 352 and balance exactly the same. Amazing QC and i have early copies. It sounds like the paint is more resilient on the newer ones.
You know that's funny. I was putting my 100 18x20 on the scale to see how it compared to my 93P. My 93P was 352g just like yours. Dampener and overgrip over the original leather.

FWIW the 100 18x20 was 6 gms lighter (supposed to be 9 gms) but that was with 2 overgrips.
 
Second time out today, added 1.5g at 4 an 8.

Stepped on the court and HOOOLY MOLLEY, the clouds parted and spin gods smiled - this thing transformed into all out RF1.5

Between a bit extra weight on the lower loop and a more settled stringjob ball domination went to the next level. Just touch it and you get grab and spin, just like in RF97, complete with easy depth, wall-like volleying and easy-peasy touch by the net.

Took me a set to make some technical adjustments to my strokes (more whipping spin, less lazer blasting) but by the second set I got to the promise land. Will be playing 14x18 at this weight setup for a while probably. Natural gut main is up next.
Picture of the lead placement please. Is it on all four sides or just two spots?
 
You know that's funny. I was putting my 100 18x20 on the scale to see how it compared to my 93P. My 93P was 352g just like yours. Dampener and overgrip over the original leather.

FWIW the 100 18x20 was 6 gms lighter (supposed to be 9 gms) but that was with 2 overgrips.
Thats crazy good QC by Prince. All for under $190, which is a steal compared to some of the prices I am seeing for other brands.
 
I have 3 of the 93 I've been tinkering with amd 1 still unstrung and just got the 18x20 100p to try. Strung but havent hit yet. Client of mine ordered the 2 14x18 100s but I have 1 as well for hits and giggles lol

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honestly I got the box beam 100 to show to clients that want to use the same racket as me but know the 93 is too demanding for them. so far has been a nice compromise for a lot of my men's players and even a few stronger womens players have really liked that frame
 
Great frame, too nice to ever sell, but not for me. I just can't hit with anything other than my old tec315

Gonna crank it out every few weeks in practice to keep my footwork and stroke mechanics sharp though.
 
Great frame, too nice to ever sell, but not for me. I just can't hit with anything other than my old tec315

Gonna crank it out every few weeks in practice to keep my footwork and stroke mechanics sharp though.
TO each their own right? If there was one best frame, everyone would use it. I like this better than any tec stick ive tried but that's personal pref.
 
TO each their own right? If there was one best frame, everyone would use it. I like this better than any tec stick ive tried but that's personal pref.
The tt100p is a beautiful frame, really liked it. Though I just think ive spent too much time and too many repetitions with my tec now to switch to anything
 
The tt100p is a beautiful frame, really liked it. Though I just think ive spent too much time and too many repetitions with my tec now to switch to anything
Yea man honestly I wasn't even excited about trying this phantom. I was happy with what I was playing with. Then I hit about 6 balls with it and knew I was getting them lol
 
Second time out today, added 1.5g at 4 an 8.

Stepped on the court and HOOOLY MOLLEY, the clouds parted and spin gods smiled - this thing transformed into all out RF1.5

Between a bit extra weight on the lower loop and a more settled stringjob ball domination went to the next level. Just touch it and you get grab and spin, just like in RF97, complete with easy depth, wall-like volleying and easy-peasy touch by the net.

Took me a set to make some technical adjustments to my strokes (more whipping spin, less lazer blasting) but by the second set I got to the promise land. Will be playing 14x18 at this weight setup for a while probably. Natural gut main is up next.
So you've got 2g on the throat, 4g at 3/9, and 1.5g at 4/8? Is that total at each spot, or you've got that much on each side of the racquet at those spots? What is your static weight up to with that amount of lead?

What stringjob is in the racquet currently? I must have missed that. I have a 93p 14x18 demo on order right now, can't wait to try it out. I have a Phantom Pro 100p that I got last Fall and love everything about it except some instability and vibration outside the sweet spot. Feels like I'm flinging thunderbolts when I make contact inside the sweet spot, but outside, not so great. I added a little lead at 10/2 and that helped some, but not as much as I'd like. I'm hoping the heavier specs of the 93p, in a smaller package, will make for a larger sweet spot and more stable plowthrough, similar to the RF97 I had last year that I loved, but was just a little too heavy and stiff for my arm. Plus, I use a lot of spin for my game, and I'm kind of salivating at the thought of that 14x18 string pattern.
 
So you've got 2g on the throat, 4g at 3/9, and 1.5g at 4/8? Is that total at each spot, or you've got that much on each side of the racquet at those spots? What is your static weight up to with that amount of lead?
Those are total counts - so 7.5 grams of lead total.

I'll take some pics and measure weight/balance/SW tonight

What stringjob is in the racquet currently? I must have missed that. I have a 93p 14x18 demo on order right now, can't wait to try it out. I have a Phantom Pro 100p that I got last Fall and love everything about it except some instability and vibration outside the sweet spot. Feels like I'm flinging thunderbolts when I make contact inside the sweet spot, but outside, not so great. I added a little lead at 10/2 and that helped some, but not as much as I'd like. I'm hoping the heavier specs of the 93p, in a smaller package, will make for a larger sweet spot and more stable plowthrough, similar to the RF97 I had last year that I loved, but was just a little too heavy and stiff for my arm. Plus, I use a lot of spin for my game, and I'm kind of salivating at the thought of that 14x18 string pattern.
Cyclone 17 at 48 lbs (strung by TW, one piece)
 
I'm also thinking of picking up the 14x18 93P and 18x20 Phantom Pro 100 sight unseen...

The Phantomphilia is real. :/
Me, too. I thought my holism was cured with the 93P (18x20), but I can't help being interested in the 14x18 & the PP100 18x20. I wish there was a way to play with both arms. Too many nice Phantoms and not enough arms to enjoy all of them.
 
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