The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
The prestige mid worked better today, but still not as good as the Ultra Tour. Will give it another few weeks.

I might be up for trading it anyways cuz I have 2! I always get frames in pairs. :)
The Dunny 200 may be more of interest to you, especially if you like the Ultra tour and want to throw in something that is similar.
 

JOSHL

Hall of Fame
What are you other guys stringing your 93P with? I know @Power Player is doing RS Lyon @ 45.

I think my 50/48 is definitely too stiff. I did notice some weird sound / vibration on off-center hits? Racquet is still amazingly solid on ground strokes and still has incredible touch at the net.
Pros pro syngut yellow at 45lbs. Have yet to play an actual match but have hit with the machine a bunch and it feels great! I’ll prob go some kind of hybrid next.
 

haqq777

Legend
What are you other guys stringing your 93P with? I know @Power Player is doing RS Lyon @ 45
Seems PP and I have had exactly the same string and tension. My 93P is strung with RS Lyon 125 at 45 lbs as well.

Next up I will string with gut/poly just to see how it plays. Will probably cut out my RS if I dont snap it by tomorrow. Have half a set of Lux Natural gut lying around. Crosses will be the same RS Lyon at 45 lbs.

I usually take a couple of stringings to figure out the right tension/string combo for my setup depending on racquets. Got lucky with 93P in first go. Think I have found my sweet spot for tension with this one. I remember took me 2-3 tries to find a good setup for Phantom 100.
 

stee

New User
Does anyone have an idea when the frame is going to hit Europe? Talked to TW the other day, they weren't able to give me an ETA.
 
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Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
How well do you think the 93P will work with Babolat Xcel 17 or should I use PPC 17? I'm not into poly and I hope the easy access to spin doesn't require using poly.

I know it's all about technique, but when you use a soft multi like Xcel, technique is everything because any slight twitch sends the ball sailing long or dumped right into the net.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Its a good question, but we just can't answer it yet. I'd be interested in what the number is. The racquet feels very stable for me and rarely twists unless I swing hard and catch the frame.

Since it is a smaller head, it never feels cumbersome to swing. I had a higher twistweight frame in Head Extreme Pro. I really like it, but you could feel the tradeoff that you get from that stability.
 

Moppet52

Rookie
Strung up... waiting for snow to melt!

Shocked by how thin the beam feels and nostalgic for my old Prince CTS Precision from almost 30 years ago. Really excited for my first hit.

Will note initial impressions as soon as the snow melts in Denver Metro area.

Had to share my excitement with fellow racquet-holics
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I'm curious if 93P users were to rate all the different categories TW does, what would you assign to the different categories respectively?
 

Anton

Legend
Got my 93P today. 8pt HL, scale MIA :(

First impressions in hand:

Head does not look too small, easily 95 equivalent.

String pattern very even, semi-closed, like Ultra Tour, but definetly more open than Prestige Mid.

19g Cyclone @48lbs (TW) is a bit too tight, but I'm sure it will loosen up.

Lateral stability adequate, head feels slightly light, pretty sure will need lead above 3 and 9.

Nice leather grip - not cheap and hard/thin like Wilson.

Swings swift, load ok, carry ok - again, a few grams of lead seems in order.
 
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scotus

G.O.A.T.
Strung up... waiting for snow to melt!

Shocked by how thin the beam feels and nostalgic for my old Prince CTS Precision from almost 30 years ago. Really excited for my first hit.

Will note initial impressions as soon as the snow melts in Denver Metro area.

Had to share my excitement with fellow racquet-holics
I have both Phantom and CTS Precision. While they ard both CTS, the Precision is definitely thicker. I think the thinnest part of Precision is 20mm.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Got my 93P today. 8pt HL, scale MIA :(
It's 1 point off and that's with an ultra thin poly. If it was the usual 16g multi, it would probably be 7 points HL.

String pattern very even, semi-closed, like Ultra Tour, but definetly more open than Prestige Mid.

19g Cyclone @48lbs (TW) is a bit too tight, but I'm sure it will loosen up.
With a poly that thin, the string pattern could be as tight as a mesh window screen and you'd still get good spin.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Anyone string this frame themselves yet? We have all been lazy and probably had TW do it...lol.

I was looking at it and it doesn't seem like it would be too tricky. no more blocked holes than my PA+.

I ask, because I will probably be getting a second one, and I have a pack of Babolat Origin 17 just sitting here. It may be worth putting in the 93 to see how it goes. If not in the 93, maybe Ill put it in the Tfight 315ltd.
 

Wilhelm

Professional
I play with the TT95 and would really like to try the 93P. My guess is I would love it indoors and struggle on clay. Did anyone test it against heavy spin on red clay?
 

Gamechanger

New User
I play with the TT95 and would really like to try the 93P. My guess is I would love it indoors and struggle on clay. Did anyone test it against heavy spin on red clay?
Could be a real Challenge with its 18/20 in a smaller Head. But my hope is, because of the rounder Head Shape, it would work even on clay against heavy Spin.
 

haqq777

Legend
I'm curious about something. How do different head shapes play? My Phantoms are round, as many have already mentioned. But then I have Angells which are elongated and then Yonex with the Isometric shape. And HEAD and Wilson which are not as elongated but not round either.

Also, I know @J011yroger mentioned that he played with a racquet that was rounded and that basically it was strung up bad. Do such racquets exhibit same characteristics that you would get from Phantoms (which are also round)?

I ask because I have a two point mount, very basic Gamma drop weight. Whenever I string (and I am very anal - follow instructions to the T) I find hoop gets rounded to an extent. When my certified stringer who strings for the local college team does string on his 6 point Gamma ELS it definitely is not as rounded.

Anyway, without digressing much, what characteristics should I be looking at for different hoop shapes?
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm curious about something. How do different head shapes play? My Phantoms are round, as many have already mentioned. But then I have Angells which are elongated and then Yonex with the Isometric shape. And HEAD and Wilson which are not as elongated but not round either.

Also, I know @J011yroger mentioned that he played with a racquet that was rounded and that basically it was strung up bad. Do such racquets exhibit same characteristics that you would get from Phantoms (which are also round)?

I ask because I have a two point mount, very basic Gamma drop weight. Whenever I string (and I am very anal - follow instructions to the T) I find hoop gets rounded to an extent. When my certified stringer who strings for the local college team does string on his 6 point Gamma ELS it definitely is not as rounded.

Anyway, without digressing much, what characteristics should I be looking at for different hoop shapes?
I hit high in the bed, prefer Wilson and Head but Dunlop is ok too. I played Prince back in my counterpunching days.

J
 

haqq777

Legend
I hit high in the bed, prefer Wilson and Head but Dunlop is ok too. I played Prince back in my counterpunching days.

J
Gotchya. So does it have to do with sweet spot and stringbed comfort when it comes to head shape? Like round heads will have more comfort? (i-e rally all day long)
 

Moppet52

Rookie
Anyone string this frame themselves yet? We have all been lazy and probably had TW do it...lol.

I was looking at it and it doesn't seem like it would be too tricky. no more blocked holes than my PA+.

I ask, because I will probably be getting a second one, and I have a pack of Babolat Origin 17 just sitting here. It may be worth putting in the 93 to see how it goes. If not in the 93, maybe Ill put it in the Tfight 315ltd.
I strung mine up. Very straightforward. Any question(s) in particular?
 

J011yroger

Talk Tennis Guru
Gotchya. So does it have to do with sweet spot and stringbed comfort when it comes to head shape? Like round heads will have more comfort? (i-e rally all day long)
I think round is for hitting middle at medium pace and oval for hitting higher and putting some strempf on the ball.

I have no scientific evidence to support this and I'm not any good at tennis.

J
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I think round is for hitting middle at medium pace and oval for hitting higher and putting some strempf on the ball.

I have no scientific evidence to support this and I'm not any good at tennis.

J
My take is that round heads like Babolats are made for the full western vertical brush up type of stroke while the older style was more oval and better suited for an eastern flat forehand which has a more lateral swing path.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
For having a width like a 95, the 93 does not seem too round to me. It hits a more driving shot with some umph behind it compared to the bigger Phantoms.
 

haqq777

Legend
For having a width like a 95, the 93 does not seem too round to me. It hits a more driving shot with some umph behind it compared to the bigger Phantoms.
Oh compared to other brands, it stands out as rounder for sure - atleast to me. In fact that was the first thing I noticed as I took it out of the box. It indeed hits a more driving/penetrating ball than Phantom 100. But then again, Phantom 100 with its 16x18 gives a ton more spin. The bigger Phantoms lack that mid feel though.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Oh compared to other brands, it stands out as rounder for sure - atleast to me. In fact that was the first thing I noticed as I took it out of the box. It indeed hits a more driving/penetrating ball than Phantom 100. But then again, Phantom 100 with its 16x18 gives a ton more spin. The bigger Phantoms lack that mid feel though.
I guess after using a Pure Aero for a year, everything else seems oval.
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
According to the rep I spoke to, doesn't seem like the 93P demo will be available for a few weeks still, so I just ordered a demo set that includes the TT95, Phantom 100 (to get a feel for the phantom beam style and flex, plus I never played with O ports so I'm interested in trying), Graphene Touch Prestige Mid and the Dunlop CX 2.0 Tour 18x20. Currently using a customized Yonex SV 95 and I'm interested to see how a flexier racquet with similar specs would play out and hopefully I could make better sense of the comparisons being referenced here. Also played with POG and the Michael Chang longbody back in the day so nostalgia is definitely a thing for me as well.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
According to the rep I spoke to, doesn't seem like the 93P demo will be available for a few weeks still, so I just ordered a demo set that includes the TT95, Phantom 100 (to get a feel for the phantom beam style and flex, plus I never played with O ports so I'm interested in trying), Graphene Touch Prestige Mid and the Dunlop CX 2.0 Tour 18x20. Currently using a customized Yonex SV 95 and I'm interested to see how a flexier racquet with similar specs would play out and hopefully I could make better sense of the comparisons being referenced here. Also played with POG and the Michael Chang longbody back in the day so nostalgia is definitely a thing for me as well.
Look forward to your comparison as I'm interested in the Dunlop as well as a 93P. Would like to see how those frames compare to a ported Phantom (which I'm currently using).
 
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