The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

That's precisely why I switched from the 93P to the PP100P. I am playing more singles tournaments this year, and I am bound to face better players. This means time is taken away from me, and having to do more retrieving, where the 100 sq.in. frame definitely helps. It still has, however, enough stability and control to allow me to play aggressively, and definitely isn't a shrinking violet with its 330 SW. I miss the 93P on serve, though. The added mass certainly help me generate a faster 1st serve.
I'm playing in a seniors Masters tournament and will be facing higher level players for sure. I'll be using my PP100 18x20 and likely appreciating the net saves I make with the 100 and missing the pop on serve I get with the 93P. Everything is compromise sadly.
 
I'm playing in a seniors Masters tournament and will be facing higher level players for sure. I'll be using my PP100 18x20 and likely appreciating the net saves I make with the 100 and missing the pop on serve I get with the 93P. Everything is compromise sadly.
Have you tried the Yonex VCORE Pro 97 (310)? I have owned and tried a lot of sticks and I believe this stick requires the fewest compromises. It offers penetration to hit through the court and the whippiness to hit the sharp short angles while being as solid at the net on volleys as the 93p while being very forgiving on half volleys and when having to defend. The very manageable weight makes it extremely easy to get a lot of rhs to generate tons of spin. I was shocked at how well the stick served in stock form, too. I didn’t think I would ever be switching from the modded Ultra Tour but I’m really close to switching to this VCORE Pro.
 
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@Dartagnan64 I think you are spot on with the 93P being a disadvantage when playing someone better than you.

This thread is 10 more posts away from surpassing the much hyped Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils) thread where half of the posts are from people who think it's really an H19.
You are right. I have already found a racquet that helps me get an advantage against better players and I am switching to it immediately.

Actually, I am not -not only is it April Fools, but that frame doesnt exist.

If a guy is better than you, you are done. Switching to a tweener,100, UltraMaxPlusSpinMonster won’t do anything to fix that. Better to lose with dignity and use what you play every day with instead of being that green guy selecting a totaly different frame mid-match.
 

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Had a chance to hit with the 93p the last 2 days. I strung mine up with black cyclone 1.25 mains and v pro 1.23 crosses at 45/43 on an electronic constant pull.

Great frame. It’s definitely designed for attacking aggressive all court players. Isn’t the best when scrambling and trying to defend.

Hits a big heavy ball. Took a little time to get used to how quickly it comes through the contact zone. I was a bit early initially but wasn’t hard to adjust my timing. Great feel and stability on volleys.

One oddity: @Power Player when you take a big cut at the ball, does he ball ever fly unexpectedly on you? It happened a few times. When I take a bigger cut than my normal rally ball from the baseline, the frame would flex and hold the ball longer than usual and then the strings would grab a little more then release and shoot the ball long. Other than that, i didn’t have any other issues with it.

I was able to control my serves but the static weight is on the heftier side for me so I definitely lose some racquet head speed. My serve didn’t have the same amount of pop and action off the bounce that it has with some lighter sticks.

Overall, it’s a great stick.
No, but that’s sounds like a string thing maybe. The P93 is really consistent for me. It is one of the reasons I love it. No real surprises at all which has given me a lot of confidence on the court.
 
No, but that’s sounds like a string thing maybe. The P93 is really consistent for me. It is one of the reasons I love it. No real surprises at all which has given me a lot of confidence on the court.
Yeah. I considered the string factor. Will be trying Prince Tour XP mains with RS Lyon as a cross next time which I found to be fantastic in the Ultra Tour. I actually have the VCore Pro 97 strung with cyclone orange 1.25/v pro blue 1.23 at 49/47 and didn’t experience any “WTH just happened” occurrences so I thought I would check with you cuz I know you are one of the few posters on the board who hits a big ball.

The other thing that I considered was the frame might not have been fully broken in yet. The response did get more predictable towards the end of my session. Based on my experience with break in with the V Core xi98, this could very well be the case. Will continue to experiment more with the frame.
 
You are right. I have already found a racquet that helps me get an advantage against better players and I am switching to it immediately.

Actually, I am not -not only is it April Fools, but that frame doesnt exist.

If a guy is better than you, you are done. Switching to a tweener,100, UltraMaxPlusSpinMonster won’t do anything to fix that. Better to lose with dignity and use what you play every day with instead of being that green guy selecting a totaly different frame mid-match.
Yes if I'm on the defensive i'm generally done in a match and a different more forgiving frame will only prolong the agony. It's not like I'm going to be hitting sliding buggy whip FH's around the net posts for winners with a 100 inch frame. I just may hit a few better lobs lol.

I'm just not built to be a defender. My mind set is attacker and when I'm playing in my rating range I'll be attacking you all day long looking for weaknesses and ways I can get a short ball and finish the point. 93P is really good at that.

When I played league last year I started off using the 93P as my doubles stick and then playing the singles sets with my Phantom 100. I was that guy pulling a different stick out mid match and losing horribly. I said, "screw that, I'll go down swinging with my 93P". My results improved mightily by sticking with that frame.

That being said I'm still going into the masters doubles with the 100 18x20 because it still is the better RoS and volley stick. I'll have to win my service games with more guile than usual but I'm going to be aggressive volleying and the bigger frame seems to help.
 

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Yes if I'm on the defensive i'm generally done in a match and a different more forgiving frame will only prolong the agony. It's not like I'm going to be hitting sliding buggy whip FH's around the net posts for winners with a 100 inch frame. I just may hit a few better lobs lol.

I'm just not built to be a defender. My mind set is attacker and when I'm playing in my rating range I'll be attacking you all day long looking for weaknesses and ways I can get a short ball and finish the point. 93P is really good at that.

When I played league last year I started off using the 93P as my doubles stick and then playing the singles sets with my Phantom 100. I was that guy pulling a different stick out mid match and losing horribly. I said, "screw that, I'll go down swinging with my 93P". My results improved mightily by sticking with that frame.

That being said I'm still going into the masters doubles with the 100 18x20 because it still is the better RoS and volley stick. I'll have to win my service games with more guile than usual but I'm going to be aggressive volleying and the bigger frame seems to help.
I can see using different frames for doubles. Oddly enough, I actually volley so well with the P93. I have crazy confidence close to the net with it.

Tennis at the end of the day is a fun thing, so if people want to try frames and strings each time, and that motivates them to play more , that is awesome. I know the feeling of wanting to try a new frame quite well.

I just take issue when people think using a certain frame will help them play at a higher level. I've met guys playing at crazy levels (5.5-6) using old Wilson 95s that they just dont want to stopwith. My old coach used to tell me that the raquet did not matter at all and he would back it up - he just used whatever Yonex gave him and beat people down constantly in semi- pro cash tourneys.

Babolats and tweeners do make the game easier if you are into grinding and brushing the ball back. That works. I have done it, and I still do it to a point. But do they help me beat a guy better than me? No, if a guy is better than me, I'm not winning. Doesn't matter the frame.
 

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Yeah. I considered the string factor. Will be trying Prince Tour XP mains with RS Lyon as a cross next time which I found to be fantastic in the Ultra Tour. I actually have the VCore Pro 97 strung with cyclone orange 1.25/v pro blue 1.23 at 49/47 and didn’t experience any “WTH just happened” occurrences so I thought I would check with you cuz I know you are one of the few posters on the board who hits a big ball.

The other thing that I considered was the frame might not have been fully broken in yet. The response did get more predictable towards the end of my session. Based on my experience with break in with the V Core xi98, this could very well be the case. Will continue to experiment more with the frame.
Yeah, I was able to figure out this frame fast just because I have used the same string for years now. So the one thing I adjusted to was that it plays better at lower tensions for me. So if you can go lower, you may like it even more.

It also takes 4-6 hours to break this thing in. Let the grommets settle, all that stuff.
 
...Oddly enough, I actually volley so well with the P93. I have crazy confidence close to the net with it.

...No, if a guy is better than me, I'm not winning. Doesn't matter the frame.
Yeah, the 93p is super solid on volleys. Offers great control and placement.

So much truth in the 2nd part of your post. Equipment doesn’t play a part when the opposition is just plain better. No racquet, string, shirt, shorts, shoes, wristband or headband combo will help you. :)
 
Played the 93P 18x20 today with Signum X-Perience 17g mains and Technifiber X-One Biphase 16 Cross at 45 lbs and that combo felt incredible! Don't see it lasting too long, but got a solid 2 hour hit in today and felt really good the whole time.
 
Played the 93P 18x20 today with Signum X-Perience 17g mains and Technifiber X-One Biphase 16 Cross at 45 lbs and that combo felt incredible! Don't see it lasting too long, but got a solid 2 hour hit in today and felt really good the whole time.
So...you didn't get a full experience of the full-bed X-perience?
 
For full bed multi 93P players. How often do you break strings? They only last 3-5 outings at most for me. Even on a small head and dense pattern, multi breaks pretty easily on this frame.

Congratulations are also in order. We finally surpassed the Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils) thread.
 
For full bed multi 93P players. How often do you break strings? They only last 3-5 outings at most for me. Even on a small head and dense pattern, multi breaks pretty easily on this frame.

Congratulations are also in order. We finally surpassed the Wilson Ultra Tour (Monfils) thread.
I’ve tried Origin/Velocity in the 93P and gotten many hours out of it. But we are talking a monofilament combined with a coated multi. I think strings like Biphase and NXT would shred more quickly. Never get longevity from high friction multis.

Gut/soft poly is my go to nowadays.
 
Tennis at the end of the day is a fun thing,
This week I will be playing with 4 x 28" Prince Michael Changs, 2 x 95" Ti as well as 2 x 107" Michael Chang 100% Graphite OS's. 1 each, 95 and 107, strung with Ashaway Kevlar 16g x 17g Zyex Pro, 65x 55lbs. The other two strung with 16g poly x poly 55/55lbs.
 
Played some more with the 93p over the weekend. @Power Player, frame feels broken in now. “WTH just happened” occurrences are a thing of the past. Nice predictable response on all shots now. Great frame. No problems generating spin from the smaller headsize and tight string pattern. Love how it feels on volleys. I am working on trying to step in more regularly to take the ball earlier on the rise and while this frame is fantastic, I get better results doing this with the extra real estate of a 97 or 100. The bigger string bed is simply more forgiving. When I don’t try to step in and take time away, the 93p feels sensational.
 

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Played some more with the 93p over the weekend. @Power Player, frame feels broken in now. “WTH just happened” occurrences are a thing of the past. Nice predictable response on all shots now. Great frame. No problems generating spin from the smaller headsize and tight string pattern. Love how it feels on volleys. I am working on trying to step in more regularly to take the ball earlier on the rise and while this frame is fantastic, I get better results doing this with the extra real estate of a 97 or 100. The bigger string bed is simply more forgiving. When I don’t try to step in and take time away, the 93p feels sensational.
Sweet. I thought you may try that yonex vcore 95 since its getting raves. It could be a nice option for someone who wants a frame like this one but is trying to take it early a lot.

Best guy i played who took it early used a giant head 110 frame, but his game was pretty unorthodox and he had perfect touch with it. I think he only used that frame since i knew him. Over 8 years.

I can step in with this but ive been playing a lot on har tru and its a little tougher for me to it on that surface. So im not doing it too often.
 
Sweet. I thought you may try that yonex vcore 95 since its getting raves. It could be a nice option for someone who wants a frame like this one but is trying to take it early a lot.

Best guy i played who took it early used a giant head 110 frame, but his game was pretty unorthodox and he had perfect touch with it. I think he only used that frame since i knew him. Over 8 years.

I can step in with this but ive been playing a lot on har tru and its a little tougher for me to it on that surface. So im not doing it too often.
Right now I’m finding the VCP 97 310 to be the best stick for me. I never thought the day would come when I would break up with my beloved Ultra Tours but that day has arrived. I haven’t broken the news to them yet. I hope they take the news well. :)
 

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Right now I’m finding the VCP 97 310 to be the best stick for me. I never thought the day would come when I would break up with my beloved Ultra Tours but that day has arrived. I haven’t broken the news to them yet. I hope they take the news well. :)
Yonex are sweet frames. I really like the tighter pattern on them. Developed my game to where i could really maximize what the phantom does. Probably why i like it so much.
 
Just played a match with my 93p 14x18 demo strung with a fresh set of Hyper G @ 45lbs. It took me a few games to get used to the high launch angle and extra depth, but once I did I felt extremely dialed in. Ground strokes were easy to hit and depth and spin came naturally. Serving felt great, better than my 63ra 16x19 TC95s which says a lot. Honestly the feel is probably better too, a bit more responsive and crisp. The Angell did feel a bit more solid on returns although overall they are easier to hit with the Prince due to the higher launch angle and easier depth. Touch shots, although not as great as a response from an 18x20 racquet, felt better than any 16x19 I’ve tried, and I felt I could knife through the ball well, even on defense. Speaking of defense, this racquet surprised me the most when running shots down. The high launch angle meant I could put balls up with great margin over the net and take control of the point. Defensive backspin lobs were wicked, I could get lots of depth and height and was able to win some points that I simply couldn’t have won with my TC95s.

I was worried about playing with a non foam filled frame since I’ve become very used to the feel but, honestly, I didn’t notice a huge difference and found I did enjoy the slightly crisper feel from the Prince. After slapping some weight on I definitely feel like I can replicate the solidness from the foam filling too.

So yeah, probably going to switch to the Prince. I’m also going to receive an 18x20 93p demo in the mail later and will have to compare, although I doubt the 18x20 can replicate the launch angle that makes the 14x18 stand out in my mind. I’ll be sure to write a comparison once I get the 18x20 strung up.
 
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Just played a match with my 93p 14x18 demo strung with a fresh set of Hyper G @ 45lbs. It took me a few games to get used to the high launch angle and extra depth, but once I did I felt extremely dialed in. Ground strokes were easy to hit and depth and spin came naturally. Serving felt great, better than my 63ra 16x19 TC95s which says a lot. Honestly the feel is probably better too, a bit more responsive and crisp. The Angell did feel a bit more solid on returns although overall they are easier to hit with the Prince due to the higher launch angle and easier depth. Touch shots, although not as great as a response from an 18x20 racquet, felt better than any 16x19 I’ve tried, and I felt I could knife through the ball well, even on defense. Speaking of defense, this racquet surprised me the most when running shots down. The high launch angle meant I could put balls up with great margin over the net and take control of the point. Defensive backspin lobs were wicked, I could get lots of depth and height and was able to win some points that I simply couldn’t have won with my TC95s.

I was worried about playing with a non foam filled frame since I’ve become very used to the feel but, honestly, I didn’t notice a huge difference and found I did enjoy the slightly crisper feel from the Prince. After slapping some weight on I definitely feel like I can replicate the solidness from the foam filling too.

So yeah, probably going to switch to the Prince. I’m also going to receive an 18x20 93p demo in the mail later and will have to compare, although I doubt the 18x20 can replicate the launch angle that makes the 14x18 stand out in my mind. I’ll be sure to write a comparison once I get the 18x20 strung up.
I'd agree that the 14x18 launches the ball better than the 18x20. If I was prone to hanging back on the baseline it might be the better frame for me. But I like to scoot to the net and force points and the touch on the 18x20 wins it for me. Plus the control on the FH is ridiculous with the 18x20. Feel I can put that thing on a dime if I get time to get my feet set.
 
Thoughts on the 18x20 vs 14x18 vs your leaded up DR98 Light?
It’s not anything surprising.

DR98 Light is better for more western spin and angles.

93P is better for more of a deep drive game, slicing, volleying. 14x18 just lets you play a higher launch angle without having to resort to super thin strings. 18x20 is just a touch softer though.
 
I'd agree that the 14x18 launches the ball better than the 18x20. If I was prone to hanging back on the baseline it might be the better frame for me. But I like to scoot to the net and force points and the touch on the 18x20 wins it for me. Plus the control on the FH is ridiculous with the 18x20. Feel I can put that thing on a dime if I get time to get my feet set.
Yeah, I have a feeling it's gonna be a hard decision. I really do have a thing for the touch and feel you can get out of an 18x20, and I'm starting to get into the competitive doubles scene more where volley placement is a big deal...

Already broke the 14x18 after 2 and a half hours of play, going to get it and the 18x20 restrung later and will report back after I hit with them a bit. I know I'm going to like the 18x20 for volleys, touch shots, and probably my forehand, but how it performs on serve and for my OHBH will be the most crucial.

Should be interesting.
 
I put 2g lead tape in the throat of 14x18 and it feels way better for me coming from RF97. Easier to flatten out shots now and play more aggressive. More stable and still maneuverable, I think it felt light for me coming from RF, my shots became a bit whippy but now w some weight it’s more solid and my timing is better. Loved it when I switched but now even more
 
I put 2g lead tape in the throat of 14x18 and it feels way better for me coming from RF97. Easier to flatten out shots now and play more aggressive. More stable and still maneuverable, I think it felt light for me coming from RF, my shots became a bit whippy but now w some weight it’s more solid and my timing is better. Loved it when I switched but now even more
A lot of impressions are strongly influenced by what we player before. The tweener folks will describe the 93P as heavy and unwieldy, the RF97 folks will describe it as light and whippy. Relative perspective is everything in reviews. That's why I like TW reviewers since they try everything and have a well rounded notion of racquet differences. People that have played the same frame for 15 yrs are always going to compare to that frame and that frame only.

I also like Power Player's advice to play a racket for a month stock before giving any strong feedback since it probably takes that long for some folks strokes to adjust.

Glad you've got it working for you. They are really nice feeling frames.
 
A lot of impressions are strongly influenced by what we player before. The tweener folks will describe the 93P as heavy and unwieldy, the RF97 folks will describe it as light and whippy. Relative perspective is everything in reviews. That's why I like TW reviewers since they try everything and have a well rounded notion of racquet differences. People that have played the same frame for 15 yrs are always going to compare to that frame and that frame only.

I also like Power Player's advice to play a racket for a month stock before giving any strong feedback since it probably takes that long for some folks strokes to adjust.

Glad you've got it working for you. They are really nice feeling frames.
I agree with you to a point, but even the TW reviewers tend to stick to what they know. You usually see the playtesters review racquets that are within a certain range of what they are comfortable with.
 
I agree with you to a point, but even the TW reviewers tend to stick to what they know. You usually see the playtesters review racquets that are within a certain range of what they are comfortable with.
Yes I've noticed that to a degree. But even still they have experience with dozens of frames within those parameters.
 
Played a club dubs tournament with this stick last weekend. Most I've played over 2 days in a long time. 6 hours in the first day and no issues picking the racket back up day two. The control throughout the day, particularly on serve return/serves/volleys is addicting with this racket. I've never felt as confident at the net as I do with this frame and it seems to be only getting better for me the more I play with it. I keep waiting for the honeymoon period to be over but its not happening at least not yet
 
anybody try 18g solinco hyper g in this frame? ive been playing signum x-perience full bed for practice and hybrid with x-one biphase when I play anything that matters but was thinking the 18g might be nice full bed at like 46lbs
 
Just received a used 93p 14x18 used from tw with prince problend at 43lbs. I currently play with the ported prince phantom with lead at 10 n 2. I was a nationally ranked jr who got burnt out. I am probably around a 5.5 still but rarly play. After hitting with it the first time, I agree with most people. It is a great stick. Can do everything well. Swings fast through the air. Has a huge sweet spot and feels almost as big as a 100. The only balls I mishit were when I was lazy. That is the only time i could feel the higher static weight get to me. I prefer the pillow feel of the ported phantom but the 93p has such good plow and no noticeable flex. The trajectory was high but very consistent, probably more consistent then my 100. I did notice tingling or something in my hand but that disapered and is not bothering me at all. Might just be bc I didn't use an over grip. I think this racquet in a 16x18 with an ra around 56 would be my dream. I am very concerned about my strings getting eaten up with this pattern. They were already moving around like crazy. I am also very interested in trying the 93p 18x20 and the phantom pro 18x20. I don't like closed string patterns but if they still spin as well as I have read then I need to try them. I love to Rip flat forehands for winners which are actually ok with the 93p 14x18 but I know would be deadly with the closed pattern.
 
anybody try 18g solinco hyper g in this frame? ive been playing signum x-perience full bed for practice and hybrid with x-one biphase when I play anything that matters but was thinking the 18g might be nice full bed at like 46lbs
I strung my 18x20 demo up with Hyper G 17 at 45lbs and it played excellent. Not the biggest Hyper G fan in other racquets but it felt great in this frame. I could really control how much spin I wanted to put on the ball and was very happy with the touch on volleys and drop shots. Definitely recommend.

Just received a used 93p 14x18 used from tw with prince problend at 43lbs. I currently play with the ported prince phantom with lead at 10 n 2. I was a nationally ranked jr who got burnt out. I am probably around a 5.5 still but rarly play. After hitting with it the first time, I agree with most people. It is a great stick. Can do everything well. Swings fast through the air. Has a huge sweet spot and feels almost as big as a 100. The only balls I mishit were when I was lazy. That is the only time i could feel the higher static weight get to me. I prefer the pillow feel of the ported phantom but the 93p has such good plow and no noticeable flex. The trajectory was high but very consistent, probably more consistent then my 100. I did notice tingling or something in my hand but that disapered and is not bothering me at all. Might just be bc I didn't use an over grip. I think this racquet in a 16x18 with an ra around 56 would be my dream. I am very concerned about my strings getting eaten up with this pattern. They were already moving around like crazy. I am also very interested in trying the 93p 18x20 and the phantom pro 18x20. I don't like closed string patterns but if they still spin as well as I have read then I need to try them. I love to Rip flat forehands for winners which are actually ok with the 93p 14x18 but I know would be deadly with the closed pattern.
IMO it’s totally worth it to try both patterns of the 93P. The control is unreal with the 18x20 and I can swing out on my shots more than with the 14x18. If you have good strokes and like to swing big, I think you might find the 18x20 to be more spin friendly than the 14x18.
 
Boy this has turned into very interesting discussion. as I'm on a similar path.
In my case I had a very marked improvement in my consistency and overall level after adopting and sticking to the PCG100 after trying the sticks in my sig... on top of that The PCG has been giving me wrist pain lately.

I've been playing with PCG100 for a year and half, and now I feel I need a quicker stick for my attacking all court style of play, so considering 95 sq inch head, though I do have couple of POG MId lying around and they are very similar to 95 (head width at least), and I guess POG MId to be very similar to 93P 14x18 (or the other way round) .

Tried the Cx 200 for an hour or so and loved the maneuverability of it , and was still very much connected to the ball, so it reinforced my idea to migrate to smaller head.

Then I tried the PS97 again... gained much power and ease of play, lost that close feel of the ball, the feel seems a bit more detached - it also seems to encourage me getting lazy on my shots, so I framed more shots, but overall seemed like I gained a lot more possibiities...

Tomorrow I'll try the POG Mid in a 2hr practice session... on the other hand the PCG100 has given me my best results so far, so a bit afraid that this itch to migrate is just adding confusion to my head...

decisions to be made for the next competition leg starting in May...
 
Which top spins better and is more arm friendly. The phantom pro 100 18x20 or 93p 18x20. Is there any noticable launch angle difference.
93p spins better at least on FH. 100 is more arm friendly. The 100 has a slightly higher launch angle and a bit more innate power. That being said I hit more powerful serves and forehands with the 93p because I can swing more freely with it.
 
Which top spins better and is more arm friendly. The phantom pro 100 18x20 or 93p 18x20. Is there any noticable launch angle difference.
Both the 93P 18x20 and Pro 100 18x20 are very arm friendly racquets. The phantom line itself plays very soft. But if you would like to compare these two racquets, 93P plays crisper whereas the 100P plays softer.

I generate more spin using my pro 100 18x20 than the 93P 18x20, but understand that a big reason for spin is technique as well. I have seen some extreme grip users generate excellent spin with 93P 18x20 too. In short, it might vary from player to player. I played HS and college tennis using Babs that provide ample spin and forgiveness so I am more in my comfort zone sticking with what works for me. I am an aggressive baseliner who generally avoids net.

And finally, for the launch angle, the Pro 100 18x20 had a higher launch angle than 93P 18x20 and my balls had more net clearance. If you see the string spacing after putting one racquet over the other, the 93P has a denser pattern so it makes sense.

In my humble opinion, if you are a strong baseliner who works from behind, likes sticking to the baseline and constructs points, the 100 18x20 would be a better option, and if you are an aggressive, all-court player who likes to attack the ball, the 93P is your obvious answer. I am off course talking singles play.

The 93P 18x20 is the best mid in the market right now so irrespective of whether you will use it as your main stick or not, it deserves a demo. It is a fantastic doubles stick.

Hope that helps.
 
Is it correct that adding weight (say ~5g) under the butt cap help to make the 93P more maneuverable for volleying up in the net, and minimally impact the ground stroke swing from baseline?
 
Is it correct that adding weight (say ~5g) under the butt cap help to make the 93P more maneuverable for volleying up in the net, and minimally impact the ground stroke swing from baseline?
I personally would disagree with that, plenty of weight on that handle as far as I'm concerned...but trying it for yourself is really the only way to confirm.

Problem with theorizing about adding weight is a lot like theorizing about rackets you havent played with yet. You have certian pre-conceptions (that with experience turn out true more often) but you really don't know for sure untill you actually try it.

My take on 93P is that it's plenty fast, and it's bigger problem in stock form is stability. I have weight on the throat and loop sides, which makes volleying easy peasy - just touch the ball with strings and you get solid voley.
 
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I personally would disagree with that, plenty of weight on that handle as far as I'm concerned...but trying it for yourself is really the only way to confirm.

Problem with theorizing about adding weight is a lot like theorizing about rackets you havent played with yet. You have certian pre-conceptions (that with experience turn out true more often) but you really don't know for sure untill you actually try it.

My take on 93P is that it's plenty fast, and it's bigger problem in stock form is stability. I have weight on the throat and loop sides, which makes volleying easy peasy - just touch the ball with strings and you get solid voley.
I'd agree with this. If I was going to add weight anywhere to the 93P it would be at 3 and 9 o'clock . It's plenty maneuverable for volleys but twist weight and stability are occasionally an issue.
 
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I'd agree with this. If I was going to add weight anywhere to the 93P it would be at 3 and 9 o'clock . It's plenty maneuverable for volleys but twist weight and stability are occasionally an issue.
I think the static weight of my 93P is at max weight already, but I agree that it could use more stability. I've wondered what the effect of adding weight only to 12, 2/10 and 3/9 o'clock be. I'd like the extra SW, but like the ATP style swing. I'd also consider replacing leather with synthetic to reduce weight. Which would make it even more HH and have a higher SW with added weight to head and less weight at tail.
 
I was really into frames balanced between 4-6pts hl forever but what i realized was that i liked the higher swingweight more than that balance. A headlight frame with a heftier swingweight is really great for me. But thats just what i like.

When i changed the balance of frames in the past it was a slippery slope. I thought for sure id like the tec 315 with a synthetic grip but the balance was just too focused towards the tip when i did that. Even though the frame was lighter, it just didnt feel right when i swung it.

The only way i figured out balance was not having any preconceived notions on what i wanted. That worked great for the phantom, which was a frame that I thought would be too heavy for me. But it is not.
 
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