The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Natural gut is going to move around more, have to string it higher.

I had my 16g Klip Legend in the mains at 51lbs and it turned loose. I've added string savers on 8 center mains (like Fed has on his K90) and that tightened it up, but for my next string job I'll go to 53, maybe even 54 on center mains (dropping off towards the edges)

As a side note - I'm getting AMAZING longevity and pretty good comfort from my realxed 20+ playing hours RS Lyon 17 stringjob.
Yeah thats why I love the RS. It’s great in a full bed and it works perfectly as a cross too since it is smooth and durable.

I am going to try a full bed of Max Power Rough 1.25 in the phantom next, since I have a reel. Thats the only other poly I have used that I really like, outside of Lyon.
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
Right, so I sold a couple of DR98's that were collecting dust in my cabinet, and bought a second hand 93P 14x18 almost unplayed, at a fairly decent price.

I used Hyper G 17 @ 48lbs in the 93P, but veering towards 46lbs as it does play a bit too boardy in the first 2-3 hours. Thinking about going Hyper G 16, but probably keeping it @ 48lbs given the very open string pattern. Thoughts?
 

Anton

Legend
Right, so I sold a couple of DR98's that were collecting dust in my cabinet, and bought a second hand 93P 14x18 almost unplayed, at a fairly decent price.

I used Hyper G 17 @ 48lbs in the 93P, but veering towards 46lbs as it does play a bit too boardy in the first 2-3 hours. Thinking about going Hyper G 16, but probably keeping it @ 48lbs given the very open string pattern. Thoughts?
I'm thinking lead first, proportional stringing second ;)

But sure, you can just drop the tension on the 17g. I don't think going to 16g is a good idea in this frame.
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
I'm thinking lead first, proportional stringing second ;)

But sure, you can just drop the tension on the 17g. I don't think going to 16g is a good idea in this frame.
I agree that the 18x20 works better with thinner gauges. When I tried 16L, it felt very dead and boardy. Just trying to figure out the best way to string the 14x18.

Just to be clear:

- 18x20, I will drop Hyper G 17 to 46 lbs
- 14x18: I will increase Hyper G gauge to 16, and string at 48 lbs due to the very open string pattern. I am concerned using a thin gauge in that frame. I think it will just explode within 4-5 hours of play
 

Anton

Legend
I agree that the 18x20 works better with thinner gauges. When I tried 16L, it felt very dead and boardy. Just trying to figure out the best way to string the 14x18.

Just to be clear:

- 18x20, I will drop Hyper G 17 to 46 lbs
- 14x18: I will increase Hyper G gauge to 16, and string at 48 lbs due to the very open string pattern. I am concerned using a thin gauge in that frame. I think it will just explode within 4-5 hours of play
Ah yes, that is more clear.

I’d go for 18g in 18x20, 17g in 14x18

I’ve been using 17g RS Lyon in 14x18 m for 20+ hours (cutting it out now)
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
Ah yes, that is more clear.

I’d go for 18g in 18x20, 17g in 14x18

I’ve been using 17g RS Lyon in 14x18 m for 20+ hours (cutting it out now)
That's pretty awesome durability.

I get 12 hours out of the 17g in the 18x20 before it goes dead and I need to replace it. I also play with a PP100P (16x18), but only get 6-7 hours of play with the 17g before the string breaks. Which is why I am thinking going all the way down to 16 in a 14x18 pattern, as I'd like to be able to keep the string for 8-10 hours.
 

Mitch_1979

New User
That's pretty awesome durability.

I get 12 hours out of the 17g in the 18x20 before it goes dead and I need to replace it. I also play with a PP100P (16x18), but only get 6-7 hours of play with the 17g before the string breaks. Which is why I am thinking going all the way down to 16 in a 14x18 pattern, as I'd like to be able to keep the string for 8-10 hours.
I bought a slightly used 14x18 and it came w Hyper G 16g. It was reasonably dead after 7hrs, I cut it out at 12hrs, and put in yellow cyclone 17g. I strongly prefer the 17g.
I have to agree w Anton (and other posters) - these 93p rackets play better with thinner gauge.
Try the 16g and let us know, but I suspect you'll be less satisfied than @ 17g.
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
I bought a slightly used 14x18 and it came w Hyper G 16g. It was reasonably dead after 7hrs, I cut it out at 12hrs, and put in yellow cyclone 17g. I strongly prefer the 17g.
I have to agree w Anton (and other posters) - these 93p rackets play better with thinner gauge.
Try the 16g and let us know, but I suspect you'll be less satisfied than @ 17g.
Thanks. I will have a hit tomorrow, and just had a 16g strung at 48lbs put in it. Will report back here afterwards.
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
I played one hour of singles today in my club's internal tournament, so here are a few impressions on the 93P 14x18 strung with Hyper G 16 at 48lbs.

As mentioned in previous posts, I had played most of 2018 with the 18x20 version (strung at 46lbs in 17g), and the past 4 months with the PP100P 16x18 (strung at 48lbs with 16L), so I am very familiar with the Phantom line.

- Feel: frankly, they all feel fairly similar at contact, and whatever small difference can probably be attributed to strings. Very comfortable with the Hyper G 16 at 48, did not feel boardy at all (that setup would have been unplayable for me in the 18x20)
- Manoeuvrability: similar to the 18x20, and better than the PP100P, which can be unwieldy at times (large round head, polarised)
- Control: not quite as accurate as the 18x20, as the shots are definitely more loopy, but not the lack accuracy of the PP100P when hitting outside of the sweet spot i.e. the ball doesn't fly out as much
- Forgiveness: surprisingly forgiving, much more so than 18x20, and not far off the PP100P
- Power: definitely less powerful on grounstrokes than the PP100P, but more pop on serve. Easier access to power than the 18x20 on groundstrokes, except on serve where I'd still give the edge to the 18x20
- Forehand: no issue in hitting big, but requires a fair bit of spin on the ball, similar to the PP100P (though with better control). 18x20 better for flatter shots, but those inherently entail more risk
- Backhand slice: the 18x20 is the best of the 3 on that shot, it's pretty much a scalpel, but the ball is going to be very close to the net. On the PP100P, it flies and sits up a bit more, with more net clearance but less penetration. The 14x18 plays between the two, probably a bit more like the PP100P, without being as extreme
- OHBH topspin: much better than the 18x20, which I find challenging on that shot (very difficult to impart spin). Probably on par with the PP100P, in terms of ease of play, but with better precision
- Return: it's a weak part of my game, and the 18x20 is definitely a challenge, as I clip the top of the net a lot. The 14x18 plays very much like the PP100P, with a high trajectory that makes it much easier to clear the net. Blocked returns are better with the 14x18, though, thanks to the added mass
- Volley: very similar to the 18x20, great control. The mass definitely helps to block fast shots.

The game wasn't as competitive as I would have hoped it to be. From that session, I can't really judge if it's going to be as tiring after 2 hours of hard fought singles, so I'l have to report back again. It's probably going to be a bit easier than the 18x20, but we'll see.

In summary, the 14x18 plays like an intermediate version between the 18x20 and the PP100P. I would say it has 70% of the characteristics of the former, and 30% of the latter. It's early days, but I feel this is a happy medium for my game:
- the 18x20 is awesome on serve, but a handicap on return. The lack of power gets tiring after a while, and I tend to miss in the net
- the PP100P improves my return substantially but degrades my serve, which is my best shot. Good power, at the expense of balls flying out from time to time, and I tend to miss long
- the 14x18 gives me security on the return without markedly degrading my serve. Feels like a good blend of power and control. Still very much a control frame, but power and spin are there if you need them.

I will definitely keep thicker gauges in that stick, either 16 or 16L, which I will be trying on next. It is going to be interesting to see how long the strings last in such an open pattern.

Overall, very happy with this racquet. For singles, I'll probably have a couple of the 14x18 in my bag, together with a PP100P, to use in those days where I am tired or if I play on clay. For doubles, I'll keep a couple of 18x20 with one 14x18 for the days when I need more security.

Now, I just need to stop buying racquets...
 
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Aussie-pro

New User
First time playing with the 93p today, strung it with poly tour pro 1.25 @ 44 lbs. Wow, everything said about the frame in this thread is true. Feels like an extension of my arm. Power, control, stability, plow and spin, yes, big spin potential all shine with this frame. Was hitting penetrating heavy groundstrokes, big serves, and the frame feels like a dream at the net, scalpel like. This stick is point and shoot. No issue whatsoever with the 93 sq inch headsize. Most definitely one of the best frames I’ve ever hit with.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
First time playing with the 93p today, strung it with poly tour pro 1.25 @ 44 lbs. Wow, everything said about the frame in this thread is true. Feels like an extension of my arm. Power, control, stability, plow and spin, yes, big spin potential all shine with this frame. Was hitting penetrating heavy groundstrokes, big serves, and the frame feels like a dream at the net, scalpel like. This stick is point and shoot. No issue whatsoever with the 93 sq inch headsize. Most definitely one of the best frames I’ve ever hit with.
18x20 version?
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
First time playing with the 93p today, strung it with poly tour pro 1.25 @ 44 lbs. Wow, everything said about the frame in this thread is true. Feels like an extension of my arm. Power, control, stability, plow and spin, yes, big spin potential all shine with this frame. Was hitting penetrating heavy groundstrokes, big serves, and the frame feels like a dream at the net, scalpel like. This stick is point and shoot. No issue whatsoever with the 93 sq inch headsize. Most definitely one of the best frames I’ve ever hit with.
Good to hear... I'm looking forward to trying it once I'm finished with my rehab and cleared to start having a hit... Can't wait!!!
 

Tao69

Rookie
The 18x20 has the ball feel/feedback of a true classic frame. The 14x18 is just alright, but very easy to play with. Bought a 14x18 to add to my collection. If it had the feel of the 18x20 I would switch.
Well said, that’s exactly what it is, the feel of a true classic frame, which is what I grew up with and how tennis should feel to me; it’s why I love the 18x20 so much.
 
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Dartagnan64

Legend
Was playing this weekends doubles with the 100 18x20. Great forecourt racquet. Was hitting some dirty angle and drop volleys.

Then this morning for my normal practice session with my wife I pulled out the 93P. What a treat that racquet is. Felt like a magic wand. I could hit my FH into any corner, with any depth or pace i wanted, FH and BH slices were low and biting, pin point serving. And all with that incredibly mix of crispness and buttery softness. It's like eating a perfectly baked apple pie.

Of course now I'm conflicted once again which racquet I take into my upcoming club championship Men's B and Mixed B doubles. Love playing with the 93P but I worry about the evening sun and bad lighting affecting the forgiveness factor. First world problems I guess :p
 

Aussie-pro

New User
Was playing this weekends doubles with the 100 18x20. Great forecourt racquet. Was hitting some dirty angle and drop volleys.

Then this morning for my normal practice session with my wife I pulled out the 93P. What a treat that racquet is. Felt like a magic wand. I could hit my FH into any corner, with any depth or pace i wanted, FH and BH slices were low and biting, pin point serving. And all with that incredibly mix of crispness and buttery softness. It's like eating a perfectly baked apple pie.

Of course now I'm conflicted once again which racquet I take into my upcoming club championship Men's B and Mixed B doubles. Love playing with the 93P but I worry about the evening sun and bad lighting affecting the forgiveness factor. First world problems I guess :p
The 93p has plenty of ‘forgiveness’, the doubts are just that, doubts that need to be forgotten. Don’t let marketing get to your head and have you believe 93 are not viable. The 93p only loses real estate near the throat, should not affect your tennis.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
The 93p has plenty of ‘forgiveness’, the doubts are just that, doubts that need to be forgotten. Don’t let marketing get to your head and have you believe 93 are not viable. The 93p only loses real estate near the throat, should not affect your tennis.
Took the 93p out tonight for men’s doubles night. Didn’t seem to struggle with the lighting although I was just rolling slices into the box when serving into the sun. Volleys were all solid. Not as much feel as the 100 but I felt better with ground strokes with the 93p.

It is a crazy conundrum. And likely doesn’t mean anything when it all comes down to it.
Having several racquets you like for different reasons is not the end of the world.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Took the 93p out tonight for men’s doubles night. Didn’t seem to struggle with the lighting although I was just rolling slices into the box when serving into the sun. Volleys were all solid. Not as much feel as the 100 but I felt better with ground strokes with the 93p.

It is a crazy conundrum. And likely doesn’t mean anything when it all comes down to it.
Having several racquets you like for different reasons is not the end of the world.
Serving into the sun when not struggling with the lighting on doubles night?:unsure:
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Serving into the sun when not struggling with the lighting on doubles night?:unsure:
Sun was setting in the west which when serving from the north side of the court was causing an annoying glare even if I wasn't looking directly into it.

The evening light on sunny days always seems to affect my vision for some reason. I'm better in morning light or cloudy days for some reason.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Sun was setting in the west which when serving from the north side of the court was causing an annoying glare even if I wasn't looking directly into it.

The evening light on sunny days always seems to affect my vision for some reason. I'm better in morning light or cloudy days for some reason.
It’s always tough to see the ball well at dusk.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Well the conundrum continued. Played 4 sets of doubles last night (1 mixed and 3 mens). The magic wand feel of the 93P wasn't there much of the night. Bit windy, clay was dry and bounces were tough to read. Overheads were pure adventure. Framed far too many shots.
Finally for the last mens set the wind died a bit and I was feeling my game better and put together a good set and beat better opponents in a tiebreak. Had one of my better serving games with 2 Aces and a Service winner. Return game was on point. So I felt better at the end of the evening than through it. Won 3 out of 4 sets all in TB so I wonder why I'm feeling so bad about the night. I guess I'm a guy that likes to play well more than I like to win.

So now I'm back worrying if I need the forgiveness of the 100 18x20 (hell last night I was this close to pulling out the POG 107).

Then I'll likely play with the 100 18x20, serve and return poorly and wonder if I'd have done better with the 93P.

I probably need to just back away from the racquet merry-go-round and accept its not the racquet but the turkey at the other end of it. In the future though: Wind, dry clay, evening gloom - pull out the POG 107 and be done with it.
 

taylor15

Rookie
At times I still go back to my Dunlop Bio 200 16x19 because i want to blame the 93p on (insert here). You said it best when you said it was the turkey at the other end.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Well it was a magic wand for me again this morning. Good lighting, groomed clay. Just a great hitting session.

I just love hitting FHs and serves with this frame. As long as I stay focused on contact this racket just does everything right.
 

taylor15

Rookie
Nice! I went out and hit with my son. He's 9, so I slow down everything a lot when rallying with him. I actually think this helps as much as anything, forcing good form in place of power.

My serves have not been great lately with the 93p. I don't know why, everyone seems to serve better with it but I am constantly long by about 2 inches.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Nice! I went out and hit with my son. He's 9, so I slow down everything a lot when rallying with him. I actually think this helps as much as anything, forcing good form in place of power.

My serves have not been great lately with the 93p. I don't know why, everyone seems to serve better with it but I am constantly long by about 2 inches.
I think serves always take the longest to adjust with a new frame. It’s such a finicky stroke.

It may be the spin level is different than your previous frame, so upping spin capacity by string changes or bending the knees more might help.
 

taylor15

Rookie
Thanks! I’ll try the knee bend first, and if that doesn’t work I’ll go from there.

Old frame was Dunlop 200 16x19, so the tighter strong pattern maybe? Don’t know but my ohbh is so much better with this frame so there a huge plus
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I think the 93P needs some more SW. Static weight is plenty, but since it's so HL, I'm thinking a little more SW could amplify the ATP forehand. In fact, I'd like to make it even more polarized. The leather would have to go and weight added at the buttcap. I really hate messing with lead and prefer stock. Maybe the PP100 18x20 would be a better fit. Is that polarized stock?
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I think the 93P needs some more SW. Static weight is plenty, but since it's so HL, I'm thinking a little more SW could amplify the ATP forehand. In fact, I'd like to make it even more polarized. The leather would have to go and weight added at the buttcap. I really hate messing with lead and prefer stock. Maybe the PP100 18x20 would be a better fit. Is that polarized stock?
I added some lead at 12 o’clock in my 100 18x20. But that was to bring it more in line with the SW of the 93p.

Warmed up tonight with the 93P. My god, volleying with this frame is just something else.
Half volleys are pretty sweet too. I hit some beauties in dubs a couple nights ago that had my partner fist pumping. I felt like McEnroe or Edberg out there lol.
 
Struggled for a while with this frame but now it has clicked.

Just a joy.

Nothing hits a drive volley like the 93p, smooth, solid, accurate. Infectious really.

Lots of movement on the serve and plenty of weight.

You can make people look stupid with angles or just lob them to death.

Great doubles stick.

Have ordered some 14x18s for the clay

You know it is good when the string shop says it is a nice frame, and they don’t mind all that full poly


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shaysrebelII

Professional
Finally cut out Blue Rock N Power. I didn’t end up hating it as much as I feared, but it still ranks last place for strings in the 93P so far. Gonna try Tourna Big Hitter Silver 18 next. Since the price point on it is so good, I might buy a reel if this playtest goes well.
 

aimr75

Hall of Fame
Warmed up tonight with the 93P. My god, volleying with this frame is just something else.
I haven’t had a chance to try the 93p yet. I have taken the phantom pro 100 16x18 out a few times now and is quite a nice frame. Have you compared both? Just wondering how much more firmer feeling the 93 is. Had to add some weight to increase stability but have been liking it so far.
 

ej28405

New User
Thinking about going back to the 93p for a bit after several months with the dr98 and dr98 plus. Having some shoulder soreness that I don’t recall having with the 93p. Probably going with 17g multifeel. Any recommendations on tension?
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
I haven’t had a chance to try the 93p yet. I have taken the phantom pro 100 16x18 out a few times now and is quite a nice frame. Have you compared both? Just wondering how much more firmer feeling the 93 is. Had to add some weight to increase stability but have been liking it so far.
Don’t think Power Player is a big fan of the 100 inch Phantoms. “Ball massagers” I believe was his term.
I own the ported Phantom and the 18x20 100 in addition to the 93p. The 93p is crisper, more precise, better balanced. My ported Phantom is my tired arm racquet. My 100 18x20 is my best forecourt racquet. My 93p is my all rounder unless it’s bad conditions (wind,sun and crappy clay). Then I use the POG 107.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Thinking about going back to the 93p for a bit after several months with the dr98 and dr98 plus. Having some shoulder soreness that I don’t recall having with the 93p. Probably going with 17g multifeel. Any recommendations on tension?
I’d probably set it somewhere between 50 and 52lbs.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I haven’t had a chance to try the 93p yet. I have taken the phantom pro 100 16x18 out a few times now and is quite a nice frame. Have you compared both? Just wondering how much more firmer feeling the 93 is. Had to add some weight to increase stability but have been liking it so far.
Yeah I was not a huge fan of the 100 but it’s still a very nice feeling frame. For me, I had both at the same time and just naturally gravitated to the 93 rather fast. The 93 is very comfortable. It is firm like an old Wilson but also feels like an old head. It’s in between the two.
 

aimr75

Hall of Fame
Yeah I was not a huge fan of the 100 but it’s still a very nice feeling frame. For me, I had both at the same time and just naturally gravitated to the 93 rather fast. The 93 is very comfortable. It is firm like an old Wilson but also feels like an old head. It’s in between the two.
I might try pick up some demo frames from tennis only and include this one.. its been on my list to try. Did you try the 100P or Pro 100 out of interest?
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
Struggled for a while with this frame but now it has clicked.

Just a joy.

Nothing hits a drive volley like the 93p, smooth, solid, accurate. Infectious really.

Lots of movement on the serve and plenty of weight.

You can make people look stupid with angles or just lob them to death.

Great doubles stick.

Have ordered some 14x18s for the clay

You know it is good when the string shop says it is a nice frame, and they don’t mind all that full poly


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Good to hear! What string and tension on the 18x20 and 14x18s?
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I might try pick up some demo frames from tennis only and include this one.. its been on my list to try. Did you try the 100P or Pro 100 out of interest?
I tried the 100P. Nice frame, but not a direct driving frame, more of a “move it around the court” type for me.
 

snr

Semi-Pro
I'm a bit confused on the Phantom line in general. Phantom Pro 100... Pro 100P? Which one is the closest to the 93P 18x20 except with a 100 inch head size? I had a look at Tennis Warehouse's site so i have an idea but maybe someone who has them in their bag and confirm
 

aimr75

Hall of Fame
I tried the 100P. Nice frame, but not a direct driving frame, more of a “move it around the court” type for me.
I have the pro 100, not the 100p. If the 93p has even more drive than the pro 100, then will certainly have to give it a try as the last outing with it I felt I could drive through the ball pretty well. Off topic, but the court I was on had PlaySight which was cool.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
I have the pro 100, not the 100p. If the 93p has even more drive than the pro 100, then will certainly have to give it a try as the last outing with it I felt I could drive through the ball pretty well. Off topic, but the court I was on had PlaySight which was cool.
Playsight is awesome. I got to play on some a couple years back and they tell you so much about your game.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
I'm a bit confused on the Phantom line in general. Phantom Pro 100... Pro 100P? Which one is the closest to the 93P 18x20 except with a 100 inch head size? I had a look at Tennis Warehouse's site so i have an idea but maybe someone who has them in their bag and confirm
The Phantom Pro 100 (18x20).
 

BRS1076

New User
I have been playing with the Phantom 93P 18x20 for about a month now. I have been oscillating between my PS90 and my old Pro Staff 7.5 over the past couple years.

Here are my observations over an enjoyable month. Both sticks are heavier traditional racquets. The PS90 is slightly heavier, but since the PS90 is a little more compact, I felt like it finished faster or was a little more whippy. My biggest adjustment was getting the 93P to my preferred contact point on the forehand. I actually felt like I had to prepare a split hair earlier, but I also had a more generous sweetspot once I reached my contact point. The larger head size also gave me a larger margin for error when I had to defensive/spin forehand back deep.

The one-handed backhand felt great. On the defensive, I could really shorten up my swing and still generate good pace. It reminded more of the Yonex VCore 97 or the RF 97 in that respect. However, I felt like with was less work to take a full cut at a backhand as opposed to the RF 97; and I still had great plow-thru.

On serve, the larger head size felt great for kick serves. I did feel like I could generate more racquet head speed with the PS 90, but I really didn't notice and remarkable differences in the power/speed of flat serves.

Also, after using Wilson and Fairway leather grips, I felt like the Prince leather grip required absolute no break-in period. It was comfortable from the get-go. By comparison, the Fairway grip had such a torturous three month break-in period that will effectively stop me from replacing them unless they start molding.

Now I am waiting for the honeymoon period to end with this racquet to see how I feel about it when I reach a rough hitting patch. However, if the price drops as it reaches its mid-cycle sales, it would be to tempting to pass up on getting a second or third.
 

tomato123

Semi-Pro
Been playing with the 14x18 for the past few months and it's been fantastic for me with Hyper G at 48lbs but I think it could go a little bit lower. One frame always has the Hyper G setup and my other one has been for experimenting to explore the possibilities, but I'm pretty sure I'll be sticking to Hyper G on both frames once the summer singles league season starts in July. All things considered, the green matching string color is really hard to resist :) and it performs great so it checks all the boxes for me. For those who felt Hyper G was on the boardy side, you may want to give Black Code 4S a try as it played very similar to Hyper G but slightly less stiff and less pop in my experience.
 
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