The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

Currently playing with the Prince Phantom 100P (18x20), just purchased a 93p (18x20) used from TW out of curiosity. Anyone else think this rackets looks like the Dunlop Max 200 G ?
Those are my two favourite Phantoms currently. Its been a while since I stared at a Max 200G so I can't comment how close the 93P is. Pretty sure the Max 20G was a bit more oblong head shape wise.
 
Right, so I sold a couple of DR98's that were collecting dust in my cabinet, and bought a second hand 93P 14x18 almost unplayed, at a fairly decent price.

I used Hyper G 17 @ 48lbs in the 93P, but veering towards 46lbs as it does play a bit too boardy in the first 2-3 hours. Thinking about going Hyper G 16, but probably keeping it @ 48lbs given the very open string pattern. Thoughts?
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Yeah thats why I love the RS. It’s great in a full bed and it works perfectly as a cross too since it is smooth and durable.

I am going to try a full bed of Max Power Rough 1.25 in the phantom next, since I have a reel. Thats the only other poly I have used that I really like, outside of Lyon.
I'm thinking lead first, proportional stringing second ;)

But sure, you can just drop the tension on the 17g. I don't think going to 16g is a good idea in this frame.
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My 14x18s arrived

Grips are loose, can hear the glue strip underneath crackling just holding them and the grips move quite a lot

Will put on a tournagrip very tightly and see if the glue will bed down, if not will have to regrip them.

Pretty minor but a slight pain, not something I have seen before. Leather grips are not quite the same if you peel them back and redo them.


In the end just put them back on tighter- the plastic around the pallet was really loose, wasn’t the sticky tape on underside of leather

Seems fine now




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Just played a match with my 93p 14x18 demo strung with a fresh set of Hyper G @ 45lbs. It took me a few games to get used to the high launch angle and extra depth, but once I did I felt extremely dialed in. Ground strokes were easy to hit and depth and spin came naturally. Serving felt great, better than my 63ra 16x19 TC95s which says a lot. Honestly the feel is probably better too, a bit more responsive and crisp. The Angell did feel a bit more solid on returns although overall they are easier to hit with the Prince due to the higher launch angle and easier depth. Touch shots, although not as great as a response from an 18x20 racquet, felt better than any 16x19 I’ve tried, and I felt I could knife through the ball well, even on defense. Speaking of defense, this racquet surprised me the most when running shots down. The high launch angle meant I could put balls up with great margin over the net and take control of the point. Defensive backspin lobs were wicked, I could get lots of depth and height and was able to win some points that I simply couldn’t have won with my TC95s.

I was worried about playing with a non foam filled frame since I’ve become very used to the feel but, honestly, I didn’t notice a huge difference and found I did enjoy the slightly crisper feel from the Prince. After slapping some weight on I definitely feel like I can replicate the solidness from the foam filling too.

So yeah, probably going to switch to the Prince. I’m also going to receive an 18x20 93p demo in the mail later and will have to compare, although I doubt the 18x20 can replicate the launch angle that makes the 14x18 stand out in my mind. I’ll be sure to write a comparison once I get the 18x20 strung up.
I currently have a tc95 16x19 63 RA and a TC97 16x19. I would like to know what the Prince 93p 18x20 loses or gains in comparison, in the questions vibration, feel, comfort and stability. I know they are different string patterns, but my curiosity is about analyzing the quality of the frame. Today the TC97 is my favorite frame due to excellent stability. Another doubt is the actual difference in head size between 93p and tc95, the difference is great? Thank you very much.
 

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I currently have a tc95 16x19 63 RA and a TC97 16x19. I would like to know what the Prince 93p 18x20 loses or gains in comparison, in the questions vibration, feel, comfort and stability. I know they are different string patterns, but my curiosity is about analyzing the quality of the frame. Today the TC97 is my favorite frame due to excellent stability. Another doubt is the actual difference in head size between 93p and tc95, the difference is great? Thank you very much.
I used the TC97 18x20 and TC95 16x19 for a while and they were really nice frames. I think what you gain the the ability swing a heavier frame faster through the air than you would expect. As a result the P93 is ieasier to use thn you would expect. The feel is on par with Angell. Tough to go wrong either way there. The thing about the tc95 was the pattern was very open. At first I liked it, but after a while I just wanted more control. The P93 is a tight pattern, the spin is not as heavy as a larger , lighter frame will give you. But you will gain the ability to hit very heavy slice and your net game will be great.

I guess the question to ask is how much do you care about playing the net? For me, the Phantom is an awesome doubles frame because I am not a great volleyer, and it really helps me there. If you are a singles baseliner, it will work, I did it for over a year and enjoyed it a lot. I have focused more on developing my forehand into a consistent, deep heavy spin threat, so I went lighter for more racquet head speed. With the P93, I hit more direct driving shots, which I really enjoyed doing a lot. I was pushed by a coach to go bigger size, lighter and more spin so I am doing that now. I still miss using my P93 all the time though!
 
I used the TC97 18x20 and TC95 16x19 for a while and they were really nice frames. I think what you gain the the ability swing a heavier frame faster through the air than you would expect. As a result the P93 is ieasier to use thn you would expect. The feel is on par with Angell. Tough to go wrong either way there. The thing about the tc95 was the pattern was very open. At first I liked it, but after a while I just wanted more control. The P93 is a tight pattern, the spin is not as heavy as a larger , lighter frame will give you. But you will gain the ability to hit very heavy slice and your net game will be great.

I guess the question to ask is how much do you care about playing the net? For me, the Phantom is an awesome doubles frame because I am not a great volleyer, and it really helps me there. If you are a singles baseliner, it will work, I did it for over a year and enjoyed it a lot. I have focused more on developing my forehand into a consistent, deep heavy spin threat, so I went lighter for more racquet head speed. With the P93, I hit more direct driving shots, which I really enjoyed doing a lot. I was pushed by a coach to go bigger size, lighter and more spin so I am doing that now. I still miss using my P93 all the time though!
Thank you very much. I think I will continue playing with the tc97 16x19. My game is over court background and network is not priority. Outside that feel is similar too, I think it's not worth the test.

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I used the TC97 18x20 and TC95 16x19 for a while and they were really nice frames. I think what you gain the the ability swing a heavier frame faster through the air than you would expect. As a result the P93 is ieasier to use thn you would expect. The feel is on par with Angell. Tough to go wrong either way there. The thing about the tc95 was the pattern was very open. At first I liked it, but after a while I just wanted more control. The P93 is a tight pattern, the spin is not as heavy as a larger , lighter frame will give you. But you will gain the ability to hit very heavy slice and your net game will be great.

I guess the question to ask is how much do you care about playing the net? For me, the Phantom is an awesome doubles frame because I am not a great volleyer, and it really helps me there. If you are a singles baseliner, it will work, I did it for over a year and enjoyed it a lot. I have focused more on developing my forehand into a consistent, deep heavy spin threat, so I went lighter for more racquet head speed. With the P93, I hit more direct driving shots, which I really enjoyed doing a lot. I was pushed by a coach to go bigger size, lighter and more spin so I am doing that now. I still miss using my P93 all the time though!
What are you switching to now? Back the the pure aero?
 
I think the 14x18 is better for Singles, isn't it?
I have both, its less about singles vs doubles and more about your style of game and your level.

I'd suggest if you like trading deep shots off the baseline and creating wicked angles then the 14x18 would be the weapon of choice. However its not going to help you hit your spots, paint the lines or attack the net, it just doesn't offer that kind of control, but it is more forgiving.

The 18x20 hits a heavier ball and definitely allows you to hit your spots, paint the lines and attack the net, its just not so forgiving if you get lazy with your footwork and preparation; it rewards you for putting in the work to take care of your timing.

I don't expect I'll play with the 14x18 much, the 18x20 is just too good to leave in the bag.
 
Have been playing with tweeners to help my kids choose their rackets, and it was fun to just hit hard. The heavy spin was fun. Having easier access to power was fun. But, I didn’t quite like the feeling of missing my intended targets.

I recently strung up the 93P 18x20. What a joy!

At first, though, I wasn’t hitting through the ball as I should and noticed the lack of depth and control. Once I was dialed in it was so much fun, just as I remembered it to be. I was picking spots and had my opponent scrambling all over the court. I didn’t play defense well against his heavy topspin strokes, but my defense will get better as I shake off the tweener-playing habits.

I can’t speak for myself because I can only seem to last two hard sets, but those fit players with strong legs who like to move the opponent around with accurate placement and attack/defend with variety, this would be a great frame. Also, as many mentioned, volleying with this stick is just incredible. I don’t volley well, but this frame actually helps me to place my volleys.

Does anyone else with OHBH love how it feels to hold the frame with the non-dominant hand? Just love holding that thin beam.
 
Does anyone else with OHBH love how it feels to hold the frame with the non-dominant hand? Just love holding that thin beam.
Don't think you have to have a 1HBH to enjoy that feel. I have a 2HBH but my hands on the throat more often than its in 2HBH grip.

I'm currently playing with the Phantom 100 18x20 as I'm in the mixed of the club championships and playing in Men's and Mixed doubles. I like the little extra volley forgiveness on the 100 especially when we are playing in the evening with shadows and dodgy sun light. But I'm looking forward to finishing the tourney and going back to playing regularly with the 93P. I like the 100 18x20 fine but it still doesn't have that feel of the 93P and I just love hitting forehands with the 93P.
 
Still amazed by this stick. Attacking and moving forward are a dream with this stick. Absolutely no problem defending with it either. My assumption for those that have trouble defending with the 93p is that those players most likely have a rating lower than a 5.5 USTA or equivalent. If you're an advanced tournament player and prefer flexible frames, you should definitely try this stick, absolute beast. Played briefly with a few other frames since for fun and comparison, all feel like plastic toys now when compared to the 93p.
 
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Still amazed by this stick. Attacking and moving forward are a dream with this stick. Absolutely no problem defending with it either. My assumption for those that have trouble defending with the 93p is that those players most likely have a rating lower than a 5.5 USTA or equivalent. If you're an advanced tournament player and prefer flexible frames, you should definitely try this stick, absolute beast. Played briefly with a few other frames since for fun and comparison, all feel like plastic toys now when compared to the 93p.
Hahah good to know, thanks.
Player lower than 5.5 usta rating is probably north of 90% of tennis playing population... I am sure it's an awesome racquet but I found it funny how you said that's like the norm.. hopefully one day I play 5.0.. i have no ambitions beyond that...
 
Still amazed by this stick. Attacking and moving forward are a dream with this stick. Absolutely no problem defending with it either. My assumption for those that have trouble defending with the 93p is that those players most likely have a rating lower than a 5.5 USTA or equivalent. If you're an advanced tournament player and prefer flexible frames, you should definitely try this stick, absolute beast. Played briefly with a few other frames since for fun and comparison, all feel like plastic toys now when compared to the 93p.
So you found a suitable replacement for the old frames finally (y) i bought one months ago, but am not good enough to use it the way its meant to be used.
 
Hahah good to know, thanks.
Player lower than 5.5 usta rating is probably north of 90% of tennis playing population... I am sure it's an awesome racquet but I found it funny how you said that's like the norm.. hopefully one day I play 5.0.. i have no ambitions beyond that...
I never said anything like it was the 'norm', only my subjective experience and opinion, that is quite clear. I also made an assumption ("my assumption"), again IMO, as to why some people may have had problems defending with the 93p.
 
I never said anything like it was the 'norm', only my subjective experience and opinion, that is quite clear. I also made an assumption ("my assumption"), again IMO, as to why some people may have had problems defending with the 93p.
Yes yes.. I didnt mean to put it on you... that is how it sounded to me I should say.. nothing against you man. I just read it and it was funny to me. Good for you. Enjoy the stick. I think it is a general opinion that this racquet feels and plays wonderful but most of us mortals can't do justice to it. More power to you if you can
 
I never said anything like it was the 'norm', only my subjective experience and opinion, that is quite clear. I also made an assumption ("my assumption"), again IMO, as to why some people may have had problems defending with the 93p.
Yeah, it exposes you. And keeps you honest. Hitting with it in neutral rallies i loved it. It was point and shoot, i felt i could flick the ball wherever i wanted, and volley easily but hitting on the back foot or stretched i quickly realized and had to sadly accept that i just couldn't get in position to get adequate weight through the ball. Too slow. You're a monster though so not surprised you like it.
 
Still amazed by this stick. Attacking and moving forward are a dream with this stick. Absolutely no problem defending with it either. My assumption for those that have trouble defending with the 93p is that those players most likely have a rating lower than a 5.5 USTA or equivalent. If you're an advanced tournament player and prefer flexible frames, you should definitely try this stick, absolute beast. Played briefly with a few other frames since for fun and comparison, all feel like plastic toys now when compared to the 93p.
Very good stick. But yeah. I’m not ever going to get to the 5.5+ level.
 
Still amazed by this stick. Attacking and moving forward are a dream with this stick. Absolutely no problem defending with it either. My assumption for those that have trouble defending with the 93p is that those players most likely have a rating lower than a 5.5 USTA or equivalent. If you're an advanced tournament player and prefer flexible frames, you should definitely try this stick, absolute beast. Played briefly with a few other frames since for fun and comparison, all feel like plastic toys now when compared to the 93p.
Good to hear! May I ask what your string set-up is on the 93P?
 
Still amazed by this stick. Attacking and moving forward are a dream with this stick. Absolutely no problem defending with it either. My assumption for those that have trouble defending with the 93p is that those players most likely have a rating lower than a 5.5 USTA or equivalent. If you're an advanced tournament player and prefer flexible frames, you should definitely try this stick, absolute beast. Played briefly with a few other frames since for fun and comparison, all feel like plastic toys now when compared to the 93p.
Well , let's count how many pros play with it .... :D
 
How many pros play for fun. The 93p is all about feel and fun. It just feels good to swing and hit with. A pro is all about making money. He isn’t going to care about feel and fun if it doesn’t make him money.
And most likely if they wanted a specific racquet spec with feel they’d get that made just for them and then have a generic PJ put on it and we’d never know about it anyways.
 
How many pros play for fun. The 93p is all about feel and fun. It just feels good to swing and hit with. A pro is all about making money. He isn’t going to care about feel and fun if it doesn’t make him money.
James Blake admitted that he knew poly was bad for his arm and he's now paying the price for it. His justification was that he needed it to be competitive.
 
Michelle (open player) says she had problems when she had to defend with it
The way I see it is that there is no absolute right or wrong opinion here... you either like the racquet and how it plays... or you don't. If you don't, then that is ok. Whether a Pro endorses it or not and whether Michelle (who is an individual) finds it hard to defend or not is irrelevant. It's how you find it that is important.

If someone disagrees with you it is based on their experience (hopefully). Therefore, you won't sway them as they had a different experience, and they won't sway you as you had a different experience. So stop trying...
 
Michelle (open player) says she had problems when she had to defend with it
Really? An attacking first strike racquet isn't the best at defending? That's a surprise. :rolleyes:

A Wilson 6.1 95 isn't a great defending racquet either and I see lots of guys still using those at the club because they like the racquet and have fun with it.

I like the racquet because when I step on a court, I absolutely am never thinking about defending. I'm thinking about getting on top of you with court penetration and depth to your BH, I'm thinking moving forward. I'm thinking getting you off balance on my serve to take control of the point early. I'm thinking low slice returns so you can't take control of the point. I'm never thinking about staying deep and running around. That's not my game or mentality.
 
I've been playing with the 93P 18x20 for more than 6 months now and it's only getting better the more I use it. It's a great learning tool. Love the PS90 but this is much easier on the arm.

Kept craving for an open pattern for a while but I'm very comfortable with it now. You have to play with a loose arm to extract spin from this frame, and there is enough.

Very stable at the net as well.

Yeah, feel and comfort are second to none, and as a rec player that is 90% of the job done for me. It's also forcing good technique on me which is a huge plus.
 
Really? An attacking first strike racquet isn't the best at defending? That's a surprise. :rolleyes:

A Wilson 6.1 95 isn't a great defending racquet either and I see lots of guys still using those at the club because they like the racquet and have fun with it.

I like the racquet because when I step on a court, I absolutely am never thinking about defending. I'm thinking about getting on top of you with court penetration and depth to your BH, I'm thinking moving forward. I'm thinking getting you off balance on my serve to take control of the point early. I'm thinking low slice returns so you can't take control of the point. I'm never thinking about staying deep and running around. That's not my game or mentality.
Agree with everything you said except the 6.1 95 part. I never had a problem with it in that department (or any other for that matter - well maybe except for the stiffness). I think that if I managed to get into place and behind the ball, the racquet performed extremely well. I completely agree with you with regard to the general mindset when getting on the court and playing, whatever the racquet you have in hand.

I think this is the case with most racquets, which then speaks more to the fitness of the player than the racquet. Most things in life have a trade-off to them. The same thing applies to racquets. There will be certain benefits to using a 93sq inch racquet, as well as certain trade-offs (the same applies to a 100 sq inch racquet). It is the balance of those characteristics that when added up will determine whether you like a racquet or not. It's all personal. What I do know is that it's never the racquet's fault. I may personally not like the balance or the feel, or that I need to work too hard... but that is all about me, my preferences, my technique, and my fitness.

The way I see it (to use a different analogy) if you're looking for boot space and great comfort don't pick the Porsche 911 or the Ferrari 488. If you do, then don't blame the car... blame the person that chose it.
 
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