The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

hurworld

Professional
Specifically, what new set up are you leaning towards to give you a lower swing weight?
Probably thin gauge poly. That's the lightest string bed you can get.
@Dartagnan64 is correct. For me, either thin smooth gauge poly in the cross with thin gauged poly/gut/syn gut mains, or go back to full bed syn gut.

I think, in general, string density goes in order (for the same thickness):

natural gut > poly > multi > syn gut or kevlar

Happy to be corrected.
 

mad dog1

G.O.A.T.
Restrung my 93p 18/20 up with Volkl v-torque 18g @ 45# on an electronic CP machine. I had no other use for my 18g v-torque since it pops too quickly so figured the 93p with its tight dense pattern might be a good racket to try it in. Turns out it is a great call. Actually love how it plays in the 93p! :)
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Restrung my 93p 18/20 up with Volkl v-torque 18g @ 45# on an electronic CP machine. I had no other use for my 18g v-torque since it pops too quickly so figured the 93p with its tight dense pattern might be a good racket to try it in. Turns out it is a great call. Actually love how it plays in the 93p! :)
Yeah i bet thats a good fit. Wonder how long it will last for you.
 

shaysrebelII

Professional
Quick bump just to say I might be moving on from the 93P. I haven’t been clicking on serve returns, and with playoffs in my doubles league coming up, I need to be able to count on my returns. I practiced with my modded Pure Aero Tour this morning and went 2-0 in sets against some of my better teammates. I’ll try using it for the time being.

I can’t remember if it was this thread or the one in the strings forum, but I did just restring the 93P with SPPP 1.23 after finishing my trial with Lux BB Ace. Ace was fun when it was fresh but around hour 7-8 it got pretty erratic. If messing around with SPPP feels good, then I’ll give the 93P another go, but otherwise it looks like I just need a more forgiving frame.
 

taylor15

Rookie
I recall the Vcore Tour 89 being more demanding than the 93p...but it’s been a while...
I remember the same, though I’ve only hit the Tour 89 a few times.

I had previously abandoned my 93p and moved to a tour 100p with leather grip and a bit of lead at the tip. It’s about 10g lighter strung and a bit more forgiving.

I’m still using the 100p in singles, but I’ve picked up playing doubles lately and the 93p is my go to doubles stick. I love it for volley and serve placement. Unfortunately the 100p excels for my singles game.
 

mhkeuns

Hall of Fame
Does anyone have experience comparing the Phantom 93p with the Yonex Vcore Tour 89?
I have both. The Vcore Tour 89, to me, is one of the best frames Yonex has ever produced. It swings easy, plays a lot bigger than its headsize and is deceptively powerful. I prefer the feel and balance of the Tour 89 over any Yonex frames. That said, the 93P comes around easier and faster. The 93P is much easier frame to use compared to the VT89. I think the 93P beats it in just about every category, except for serves and power. Those two are pretty equal in my opinion.
 
Hey guys, i'm a 5.0 player playing with 93P strung with RS LYON 1.20 44 lbs. I tried the phantom pro 100 18x20 but i couldn't feel the same pleasure that i have to serve and slice with the 93P. As for now and 3 months of playing with it, i'd like to get a bit more power, especially on returns. Against hard hitters on serves, i barely clear the net. By the way thanks to everyone sharing on this thread, once you read 65 pages, you feel the need to buy that cheat ! And that was a freaking good idea !

Anyway here is my question, i bought an hybrid babolat string VS gut with synth gut. Which tension should i put for natural gut mains and synthetic gut crosses ? Should i stay in the same range like 48/44 ? I never played with nat gut, i'm not sure how much it's powerful compared to soft poly.
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Hey guys, i'm a 5.0 player playing with 93P strung with RS LYON 1.20 44 lbs. I tried the phantom pro 100 18x20 but i couldn't feel the same pleasure that i have to serve and slice with the 93P. As for now and 3 months of playing with it, i'd like to get a bit more power, especially on returns. Against hard hitters on serves, i barely clear the net. By the way thanks to everyone sharing on this thread, once you read 65 pages, you feel the need to buy that cheat ! And that was a freaking good idea !

Anyway here is my question, i bought an hybrid babolat string VS gut with synth gut. Which tension should i put for natural gut mains and synthetic gut crosses ? Should i stay in the same range like 48/44 ? I never played with nat gut, i'm not sure how much it's powerful compared to soft poly.
Gut mains is very powerful compared to poly. I play gut/poly hybrid in my 93P and have the gut at 50 and poly at 44-45.

And I'd strongly advise a soft poly cross for the gut since I synthetic cross will lock the stringbed and substantially reduce spin.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
Hey guys, i'm a 5.0 player playing with 93P strung with RS LYON 1.20 44 lbs. I tried the phantom pro 100 18x20 but i couldn't feel the same pleasure that i have to serve and slice with the 93P. As for now and 3 months of playing with it, i'd like to get a bit more power, especially on returns. Against hard hitters on serves, i barely clear the net. By the way thanks to everyone sharing on this thread, once you read 65 pages, you feel the need to buy that cheat ! And that was a freaking good idea !

Anyway here is my question, i bought an hybrid babolat string VS gut with synth gut. Which tension should i put for natural gut mains and synthetic gut crosses ? Should i stay in the same range like 48/44 ? I never played with nat gut, i'm not sure how much it's powerful compared to soft poly.
Yeah I think you are in the right ballpark. I'd probably do 50/45 or so like D64 said above.
 
Thanks for your replies, should i throw away the synth gut and put nat gut mains and keep rs lyon crosses ? Will it be better in term of durability ? Is there any downside to gut/poly over gut/synth gut on 93P ? I heard that you can keep gut/synth gut until break, i wouldn’t have to cut it because of mono being stiff (if i can get more than 15hours of it)
 
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Anton

Legend
Hey guys, i'm a 5.0 player playing with 93P strung with RS LYON 1.20 44 lbs. I tried the phantom pro 100 18x20 but i couldn't feel the same pleasure that i have to serve and slice with the 93P. As for now and 3 months of playing with it, i'd like to get a bit more power, especially on returns. Against hard hitters on serves, i barely clear the net. By the way thanks to everyone sharing on this thread, once you read 65 pages, you feel the need to buy that cheat ! And that was a freaking good idea !

Anyway here is my question, i bought an hybrid babolat string VS gut with synth gut. Which tension should i put for natural gut mains and synthetic gut crosses ? Should i stay in the same range like 48/44 ? I never played with nat gut, i'm not sure how much it's powerful compared to soft poly.
Adding weight (lead) will add way more actual power than strings, especially considering you already play at low tension. What softer strings mostly do is launch the ball higher, which may land the ball deeper, but it won't be because of "more power".

Here is what my leaded up 93P looks like:

 
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Dartagnan64

Legend
Thanks for your replies, should i throw away the synth gut and put nat gut mains and keep rs lyon crosses ? Will it be better in term of durability ? Is there any downside to gut/poly over gut/synth gut on 93P ? I heard that you can keep gut/synth gut until break, i wouldn’t have to cut it because of mono being stiff (if i can get more than 15hours of it)
You'll have to cut gut/syn gut out before it breaks because it'll either lock up or slide all over. Gut/poly you can generally keep in a long time if you use a poly with decent tension maintenance (4G, Max power, Proline 2 if you like them stiff; Cream, SPPP, Ghostwire if you like them soft). Loss of resilience in a cross string is less an issue since the mains provide 80% of the string bed feel and performance.

I'm not sure if RS Lyon is a good cross. Is it shaped or textured? Generally smooth crosses work better with gut.
 
You'll have to cut gut/syn gut out before it breaks because it'll either lock up or slide all over. Gut/poly you can generally keep in a long time if you use a poly with decent tension maintenance (4G, Max power, Proline 2 if you like them stiff; Cream, SPPP, Ghostwire if you like them soft). Loss of resilience in a cross string is less an issue since the mains provide 80% of the string bed feel and performance.

I'm not sure if RS Lyon is a good cross. Is it shaped or textured? Generally smooth crosses work better with gut.
RS Lyon is a round one, babolat sell his hybrided nat gut with spiraltek syn gut 1.30, not sure if RS lyon 1.20 is a better cross. At least, i know it and it could be easier to adjust.

Adding weight (lead) will add way more actual power than strings, especially considering you already play at low tension. What softer strings mostly do is launch the ball higher, which may land the ball deeper, but it won't be because of "more power".

Here is what my leaded up 93P looks like:
I already customized mine too, at the moment 360g 344sw 7.2HL 21 mgr/i. However i don't like depolarized it (i saw you put lead at 3 & 9). 13.8 twistweight is fine enough i think, i feel loosing spin and manoeuvrability on serves when depolarized.
 
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