The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA

Dartagnan64

Legend
Glad they are keeping the line going. I don't see many phantoms in the wild but everyone I know that owns one, really likes the frame.

I've probably spent enough on Phantoms for a while but certainly look forward to guys reviews of the new models when they come out. Likely give them a whirl when I go to Indian Wells in Spring 2020.
 

Nextman916

Professional
Yes they all get twaron in the throat and at 10/2 like I mentioned. I would post pics but as I said my main concern is to not get in trouble with the forum and admins as I’m not sure of their policy on this. Maybe if someone can shed some light on this. Otherwise, I know you all want to see pics and I’d like to share but if the case is getting taken down after I do so seems less beneficial than providing some “alleged” specs and play testing through text.

The purple is cool, it’s got thin black lines like wood grain or waves running throughout the frame as well. It basically looks a soft black overall but in the light you can tell it’s flat purple.
 

lima

Rookie
Yes they all get twaron in the throat and at 10/2 like I mentioned. I would post pics but as I said my main concern is to not get in trouble with the forum and admins as I’m not sure of their policy on this. Maybe if someone can shed some light on this. Otherwise, I know you all want to see pics and I’d like to share but if the case is getting taken down after I do so seems less beneficial than providing some “alleged” specs and play testing through text.

The purple is cool, it’s got thin black lines like wood grain or waves running throughout the frame as well. It basically looks a soft black overall but in the light you can tell it’s flat purple.
Do you know release date maybe?
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
I would “guess” it debuts early next year. But what do I know.
How did you get your hands on it? Do you work for Prince? Are you a sales rep or sponsored player? Very curious. Friend of a friend thing? From what I've seen I don't think you're violating anything by posting pictures. Unless you signed some sort of NDA with Prince or whomever gave you the racquet, you're free to publicize as you please.
 

Nextman916

Professional
8 main grommet piece - spaced denser than my textreme 95 inch 16 x 19.

Got it on an RDC today, strung with poly tour strike 16g and head reflex multi 16g - no overgrip or dampener

332g
60 RA
311 SW
317 mm
Power 48B
Control 50B
Maneuverability 79A

it's played pretty well so far but the low sw and hl balance explains the tt95 having better stability, obv its thicker beam helps as well.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
8 main grommet piece - spaced denser than my textreme 95 inch 16 x 19.

Got it on an RDC today, strung with poly tour strike 16g and head reflex multi 16g - no overgrip or dampener

332g
60 RA
311 SW
317 mm
Power 48B
Control 50B
Maneuverability 79A

it's played pretty well so far but the low sw and hl balance explains the tt95 having better stability, obv its thicker beam helps as well.
Sounds amazing with those specs... and leaves room for personal modification... (y)
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
@Nextman916 is the 60RA strung? If yes then unstrung is probably 63RA. Does the 97P have a round or box beam? Is it the 97" version of the PP100 or PP100P? The PP100 had a rounded beam and 56RA while the PP100P had a box beam and 59RA. The mains to throat ratio was also different between the two.

Is the 97P a Pro model with standard grommets or the 97" version of the original Phantom 100 with O ports? Man, a picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe just PM me and I'll host the pic for you. This way you don't have to worry about posting it on this forum because you're not and it's only a link elsewhere.
 

Alex78

Hall of Fame
@Nextman916 is the 60RA strung? If yes then unstrung is probably 63RA. Does the 97P have a round or box beam? Is it the 97" version of the PP100 or PP100P? The PP100 had a rounded beam and 56RA while the PP100P had a box beam and 59RA. The mains to throat ratio was also different between the two.

Is the 97P a Pro model with standard grommets or the 97" version of the original Phantom 100 with O ports? Man, a picture is worth a thousand words. Maybe just PM me and I'll host the pic for you. This way you don't have to worry about posting it on this forum because you're not and it's only a link elsewhere.
Yeah, pass it to Tommy!
 

GripItNRipIt

New User
This 97 model better not be any good, lol.

I just bought 2 of the 93P a couple of months ago; I thought the Phantom 100's were a little bulky and figured these were the best sticks for my game. Or, maybe 93P for singles, "97P" for doubles? Here I go again...:unsure:
 

Alex78

Hall of Fame
This 97 model better not be any good, lol.

I just bought 2 of the 93P a couple of months ago; I thought the Phantom 100's were a little bulky and figured these were the best sticks for my game. Or, maybe 93P for singles, "97P" for doubles? Here I go again...:unsure:
Excellent reasoning :)
(For me personally, I don't like the Phantoms with the 100in² head size without the O-ports, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed this slightly smaller version will feel "fast" enough through the air for me.)
 

AJvR

New User
8 main grommet piece - spaced denser than my textreme 95 inch 16 x 19.

Got it on an RDC today, strung with poly tour strike 16g and head reflex multi 16g - no overgrip or dampener

332g
60 RA
311 SW
317 mm
Power 48B
Control 50B
Maneuverability 79A

it's played pretty well so far but the low sw and hl balance explains the tt95 having better stability, obv its thicker beam helps as well.
Really nice specs to extend it with a 0,5 inch.
 

Jdawgy

New User
Oh boy , I just got the 93p yesterday >.<
Enjoyed the plowthru and serves very much, just haven’t dialed in my forehand yet.

97p specs doesn’t look like it’ll give it the same feeling as the 93p.
Bring it! I can resist a new racket......I think.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
8 main grommet piece - spaced denser than my textreme 95 inch 16 x 19.

Got it on an RDC today, strung with poly tour strike 16g and head reflex multi 16g - no overgrip or dampener

332g
60 RA
311 SW
317 mm
Power 48B
Control 50B
Maneuverability 79A

it's played pretty well so far but the low sw and hl balance explains the tt95 having better stability, obv its thicker beam helps as well.
Those specs are not for me. I'm not into leading my frames up, so I'll pass. The beauty of the P93 is it hits like a beast right out of the box.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
Oh boy , I just got the 93p yesterday >.<
Enjoyed the plowthru and serves very much, just haven’t dialed in my forehand yet.

97p specs doesn’t look like it’ll give it the same feeling as the 93p.
Bring it! I can resist a new racket......I think.
18x20 or 14x18? What string set-up?
 

dgoran

Hall of Fame
I agree with Powerplayer this is like a heavy platform frame. Low ra thin beam and low sw you will be lucky if the ball passes to the other side of the net.
 
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Dartagnan64

Legend
332g
60 RA
311 SW
317 mm
Power 48B
Control 50B
Maneuverability 79A
Like everything but the SW. Balance is nice, weight is nice, Flex is nice. Head size and string pattern are fine. But a sub 320 SW is ridiculous. My 2HBH won't clear the net.

I could accept a SW of 325 and put a bit of lead at the tip like the Pro 100 18x20. But at 311, I'd have to add a lot of lead and throw the balance and weight off from where I like it.

93P is perfectly spec'd so I just don't know why they didn't try to maintain that static weight, SW and balance on the 97?
 

aaron_h27

Professional
Like everything but the SW. Balance is nice, weight is nice, Flex is nice. Head size and string pattern are fine. But a sub 320 SW is ridiculous. My 2HBH won't clear the net.

I could accept a SW of 325 and put a bit of lead at the tip like the Pro 100 18x20. But at 311, I'd have to add a lot of lead and throw the balance and weight off from where I like it.

93P is perfectly spec'd so I just don't know why they didn't try to maintain that static weight, SW and balance on the 97?
Lol, yeah 311 is for kids
 

lima

Rookie
Like everything but the SW. Balance is nice, weight is nice, Flex is nice. Head size and string pattern are fine. But a sub 320 SW is ridiculous. My 2HBH won't clear the net.

I could accept a SW of 325 and put a bit of lead at the tip like the Pro 100 18x20. But at 311, I'd have to add a lot of lead and throw the balance and weight off from where I like it.

93P is perfectly spec'd so I just don't know why they didn't try to maintain that static weight, SW and balance on the 97?
Maybe sw is 311 because poor Prince quality control. My Phantom 100P Pro was so low in sw that I had to swing like maniac on my forhend to get the ball over the net. With my 2HBH I couldn't get the ball over the net.

I added some lead and now it's ok
 

Dartagnan64

Legend
Maybe sw is 311 because poor Prince quality control. My Phantom 100P Pro was so low in sw that I had to swing like maniac on my forhend to get the ball over the net. With my 2HBH I couldn't get the ball over the net.

I added some lead and now it's ok
My Prince phantoms are all pretty close to spec. So I can't comment on quality control.

I actually wonder about measurements because SW should be a strong reflection of static weight and balance point and if a 8 point HL frame with 334gm static weight is only at 311, then either all the weight is near the throat or the measurement is wrong. The Phantom 100 18x20 is 9 points HL and 337gm and it's SW is 325 so if the frames are similarly polarized the SW of the 97 should be in the 320-325 range.
 
Does it have modern grommets which allow for additional string movement at 3 and 9 o’clock? That would turn it into a 95/94 square inch frame.

Reminds me of the Fischer M Comp 95, specwise that one comes close to this one.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Those specs are not for me. I'm not into leading my frames up, so I'll pass. The beauty of the P93 is it hits like a beast right out of the box.
I'm the same way. I don't like lead because of health reasons mainly. I was thinking of slapping on a leather grip to weight the 97P up, but that way make it pretty HL. I'm actually aiming for a polarized setup to accentuate the ATP FH, but that would require lead at the tip and some weight, whatever that might be in the butt cap.
 

flanker2000fr

Professional
My Prince phantoms are all pretty close to spec. So I can't comment on quality control.

I actually wonder about measurements because SW should be a strong reflection of static weight and balance point and if a 8 point HL frame with 334gm static weight is only at 311, then either all the weight is near the throat or the measurement is wrong. The Phantom 100 18x20 is 9 points HL and 337gm and it's SW is 325 so if the frames are similarly polarized the SW of the 97 should be in the 320-325 range.
I was thinking the same about SW, which made little sense to me given the rest of the specs. But Prince constantly puts out specs for unstrung racquets, so I am wondering if it's the case here, and it would then translate in the mid-high 320's.

Just on the topic of 97sq. in., low stiffness, 18x20, decent static weight, relatively headlight racquet, thin beam racquets, I find the Yonex VCore Pro 97HD quite interesting. It will be interesting to hear comparisons between the two when enough people have had the occasion to try both.
 

Tommy Haas

Hall of Fame
Since I don't like messing with lead and I want to polarize the 97P setup, would putting one of those 4 main strings across vibration dampeners do the trick? I can move it right up against the hoop. Like the Babolat Vibrasorb. It had little metal beads in it too. That thing seems pretty heavy and I tired it on my 93P, but the fit was SO tight that it altered the string tension and squished in the dampener so much that I think it split he rubber.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
I was thinking the same about SW, which made little sense to me given the rest of the specs. But Prince constantly puts out specs for unstrung racquets, so I am wondering if it's the case here, and it would then translate in the mid-high 320's.

Just on the topic of 97sq. in., low stiffness, 18x20, decent static weight, relatively headlight racquet, thin beam racquets, I find the Yonex VCore Pro 97HD quite interesting. It will be interesting to hear comparisons between the two when enough people have had the occasion to try both.
Would like to try the Yonex HD but the price is eye-watering. I'll wait a couple of years and buy it used.
 

hurworld

Hall of Fame
Since I don't like messing with lead and I want to polarize the 97P setup, would putting one of those 4 main strings across vibration dampeners do the trick? I can move it right up against the hoop. Like the Babolat Vibrasorb. It had little metal beads in it too. That thing seems pretty heavy and I tired it on my 93P, but the fit was SO tight that it altered the string tension and squished in the dampener so much that I think it split he rubber.
Personally I don't like using dampeners. If I want to increase the swing weight I'd probably just use thicker gauge strings. If you don't like to mess with lead tape, then maybe another option is head guard tapes?
 

Nextman916

Professional
Strung specs like I said in my OP, 16g poly tour strike and reflex. No O-ports, pretty sure prince is almost completely done with those moving forward. Box beam 16x18, the 100p is also box beam, to clarify the new phantom pros are all box beam. There was a cardboard panel attached the stringed when I got it that listed the 4 new phantom pro models, that’s how I got the specs I provided for the line as well as seeing all 4 in person. There was no 100sq in 18x20 phantom pro listed, I’m not sure if that's being discontinued or not, not sure whats happening with the phantom non “pro” lineage either.

It was done on an RDC at a pro shop, I watched them do it and double check for accuracy. Its certainly possible the one I have is off spec, but without its release or another advanced copy to compare it to, its all speculation at best. I must say I don’t know what this talk of not getting it over the net with 311 SW is about, I haven’t had that issue at all and I play with an even lower powered 2015 TT95 around 325 SW. The 97P is more powerful, less stable, but quicker through the air with higher spin potential. The weight does seem centered around the throat. I play with a 2g dampener and .4mm OG so the balance/weight will change a little. I’m toying with some lead, but even bone stock with dampener + over grip it plays solid and I like heavy player racquets.

Honestly the 311 SW surprised me too but if I never measured it, I wouldn’t have been able to tell it was that low. I play test a lot of racquets, SW's all over the map. There are many intangibles to frames outside of numbers. It’s common that every frame alters your timing and stroke a bit, but once adjusted it hasn't been difficult to rip forehand/1hbh winners or big serves. I feel it's important to leave room outside the numbers for hitting experiences. Again, I play with a dampener + OG so the SW probably more like 315. It could use some more weight in the head, but its not weak or unstable as a lower SW would imply. Could be the twaron.

- I’ve sent TT two messages regarding posting photos and still waiting a reply.
 
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taylor15

Rookie
I'm the same way. I don't like lead because of health reasons mainly.
I also stay away from lead due to potential health hazards and my kids.

Have you tried tungsten weight? I’ve had good luck with it. It’s heavier per cm which is good and bad, but for this stick I would add a leather grip and counter balance with tungsten to match the 93p weight.
 

max

Legend
I also stay away from lead due to potential health hazards and my kids.

Have you tried tungsten weight? I’ve had good luck with it. It’s heavier per cm which is good and bad, but for this stick I would add a leather grip and counter balance with tungsten to match the 93p weight.
The lead thing is a dead dog: it's not dangerous to use lead tape.
 

max

Legend
I don’t disagree with you. It’s easier to use tungsten than to argue with my wife over it. I choose battles wisely and this one wasn’t worth it
Ahh. Yeah, the key thing about lead is to avoid huge concentrations of it. I visited the lead mining region around Galena/Mineral Point and the docent at a museum spoke about lead miners starting to turn blue and get ill if they'd been working in the mines 10 hours a day, for six days a week, after about six months of ingestion breaking up the ore. The remedy in 1850? take a milk bath! :)

But yeah, fishing sinkers, bullets, weights for things, etc., have no serious consequence unless you rub the things over your body for hours at a time for weeks and months. Or put it into tiny breathable particles and inhale a lot. I did some reading in this area and put in an article to Racquet Tech.

I prefer to bury my lead tape under the grommet strip once I figure out the weight I'm finally happy with. the stuff stays on much better this way! Just leaving strips on, they tend to fall off.
 

max

Legend
Actually, I'm more concerned about plastic stuff. . . does this, to what extent, increase chances of cancer?

And to be sure, our sedentary lifestyle is a killer.
 

Boubi

Rookie
Message to all racquetholic: ''the data now shows the wait time between purchases (of racquets) has extended to more than eight years''
 

max

Legend
heck, I'm doing pretty well cutting down on carbs and sugar.

Drinking a lot of water is really, really a good move.
 

Classic-TXP-IG MID

Hall of Fame
Like everything but the SW. Balance is nice, weight is nice, Flex is nice. Head size and string pattern are fine. But a sub 320 SW is ridiculous. My 2HBH won't clear the net.

I could accept a SW of 325 and put a bit of lead at the tip like the Pro 100 18x20. But at 311, I'd have to add a lot of lead and throw the balance and weight off from where I like it.

93P is perfectly spec'd so I just don't know why they didn't try to maintain that static weight, SW and balance on the 97?
There have been comments on this board by quite a few people (from memory) about not being able to customize their 93Ps (to personal liking) because of the higher weight and SW. Therefore, I think it's smart of Prince to provide a racquet that still allows people to customize for both desired static weight and SW.

I mainly concentrate on the feel of the racquet. If that is to my liking, I then start to pay attention to what things can be improved (as no racquet is perfect). It doesn't take that much weight at 3, 9 & 12 o'clock to increase the SW, and also automatically increase the TW, stability, and size of the sweet spot. Then the same amount of weight added at 7" above Butt cap, an overgrip and you're set... no big deal, as far as I'm concerned.

All the stuff being discussed is interesting, but the only thing that matters is how the racquet will feel and perform, and we won't know that until it is released and people can give their feedback.

@Nextman916 has given his thoughts, which is very much appreciated, and I like what I'm hearing... now we just need to wait for it to be released.
 
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