Twaron. That was the update for the second gen. Textremes and for the Beast's intro.
Yes, it's a real shame more people don't play those frames. I recently swung by my parents in France, and had a coaching session with a guy I've known for 30 years, but hadn't seen him in many, many years. At the end of the session, we talked gear. He still plays some older versions of the Head Prestige, and his eyes lit up when he saw my Phantom 93P. He went something like: "Ahhh, Prince! Wonderful sticks, top grade racquets. We don't see many of them these days, unfortunately".Man, Prince is really putting out some excellent sticks these days. It's a shame not more people are using the Phantom because it deserves much more love and recognition. I have yet to see anybody use a Phantom at my home court - I see mostly PDs, a good number of Pure Strikes, and even Head Graphene Prestiges
I read on here in the last couple days that Prince made their tour players play current gen frames with the introduction of the textreme line. Shows that Prince are willing to stick by their technology though rather than the rubbish in HEAD frames or the Countervail in Wilson.If Prince had the marketing budget to sign bigger names pro players, what do they have that can be used as a pro stock base? The 93P is a solid stick, but 93" isn't going to work for many of the pros who are used to larger head sizes. The 97P seems like it could be a good base mold to use along with whatever Pouile and Isner really uses. I'm sure those frames are loaded with quality high modulus graphite (layup).
Jster original leaks said 57RaDoes anyone know when we can buy the 97P in the US and know definitively know the RA? @nextman said his was 59RA. I'm hoping his was on the high side and it's lower, but I doubt it. Prince seems to have settled on the 59-61RA range for all their players frames. They were cutting edge with their PP100s being in the mid 50s, but that might have just been an experiment.
Yeah, the first day all the Phantoms were included. Not sure if they met their quota or if they were added by mistake. Definitely a good price, similar to their July 4th sale. Picked up 3 more 93P then.
Not as quick as sg.A stringer on FB has noted 6 new frames released in the next 22 hours or so. 16x18 and 18x20, has to be prince hopefully???
Although potentially yonex I guess. They said not mentioned on popular forum? I am just hoping... they are usually pretty cryptic and sneaky so we will see soon
Edit* after thinking about it may not be as obvious to those outside this thread as there hasn't been a new thread really made about them yet. High hopes for it to come soon!
I thought the 14x18 was released in the Spring of this year and 18x20 was spring of last year ('18).Will there really be a new-new 93P and 100P? They were just released last year or maybe it was this year. The 93P 14x18 and 100P 18x20. If there will be updated versions I'm guessing the same frames with Textreme and Twaron to stiffen them up. I'd be gleefully delighted if they actually softened them.
No ported version in Singapore but there is a ported version. With stability at 2 and 10 it should potentially increase power, dwell time and feel over the previous model I hope. Same power level but not sure how Prince really calculate it, can get insane power from the 93P so I'm not worried.Any of these ported or are they all going to be solid beam construction with P series as thin box beam and X as thicker rounded beam?
Is Twaron or graphite more expensive? I'd imagine Twaron hence why it's used sparingly in select locations on the frame over the old Head frames that had it throughout the entire frame. I wonder if the Head pro stocks still use plenty of Twaron in the layup or it's some modern formula.Twaron is much less stiff than graphite... Aramid fibers absorb impact, hence their use in tennis frames. Because of this a frame can be a little stiffer and actually be more comfortable with better feel. Look at the beast series for an example of its use.
I'd guess Twaron which is why it, kevlar and other aramids are rarely used in frames these days. Instead they use cheaper alternatives like basalt or pencil shavings in HEAD frames (real graphene withcosts actual applications costs a lot).Is Twaron or graphite more expensive? I'd imagine Twaron hence why it's used sparingly in select locations on the frame over the old Head frames that had it throughout the entire frame. I wonder if the Head pro stocks still use plenty of Twaron in the layup or it's some modern formula.
My only gripe at this stage with the 97P is the string pattern - would prefer a 16x19 or a 16x20 - I hope RQ will give info about it's true headsize (love the scientific approach of mr Gugel).Sorry guys, January release for the west it looks like. 2 months wait
I'm with you on the 97P's string pattern. I'd have preferred an open 18x20 like the middle brother version of the 93P and the 100P 18x20 the big brother. For some reason Prince hasn't gone 16x19 for a while. It's always 16x18 for some reason, maybe because the Prince hoop shape is more round than oval.My only gripe at this stage with the 97P is the string pattern - would prefer a 16x19 or a 16x20 - I hope RQ will give info about it's true headsize (love the scientific approach of mr Gugel).
Not to derail but if Wilson decides to release an open pattern Ultra Tour, addresses some of the issues and adds a sprinkle of that FreeFlex magic then I won't be surprised if UT v2.0 blows the 97P away.
The 2020 93P is really new as my short comment earlier indicated (http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/the-prince-phantom-93p-is-a-gift-to-us-from-tw-my-review-ama.612334/post-13842094). Even though the specs are identical, the Twaron at 10 and 2 makes it feel stiffer and different in my opinion. I don't think the 93P needed any extra stabilization as it was already a 18x20 pattern, I preferred its noodle like feel over something stiffer. However, when I took the 2020 93P back to the store to exchange it for an old 93P the shop still had the new 97P that they previously told me they had sold, so I bought it. I figured if I did not like it I could sell it to one of you guys that are all waiting for it. My first hit yesterday was extremely positive, the Twaron at 10 and 2 for the 97P works very well to create a superbly stable and easy on the arm racquet. I will post something after I hit with it a few more times this weekend.Will there really be a new-new 93P and 100P? They were just released last year or maybe it was this year.
I still have only played once with the 97P, will play more today, but I would say it is firmer at the top of the hoop and more flexible at the throat.
There should be a trap door with an indent that's actually designed to pop off and on again. All you have to do is insert a nail or something similar into the indent to lift the door off, and then it just pops back into place once you want to put it back on.
Use something soft that won't scratch or mar the plastic trap door. Try using the cap of a Bic pen.There should be a trap door with an indent that's actually designed to pop off and on again. All you have to do is insert a nail or something similar into the indent to lift the door off, and then it just pops back into place once you want to put it back on.
From what I can tell, yes. But it is short top to bottom in the hoop and wider. Therefore it still has pretty good forgiveness and plays very similarly to a 95" head. Similar width to most 97-98" frames.Just curious, what is the actual headsize of the 93? Is it really 93?
Yep, issues in the past with a lot of shaped strings so I didn't bother actually buying it. Maybe will go back and look at it in the future at some stage. Solstice power is my favourite shaped string and it still has pretty poor feel compared to most round polys.Prince Vortex is an awesome string for the 1 hour it holds tension. If it held tension at all it would be amazing