Classic-TXP-IG MID
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Yeah, I had the Hyper-G 1.15mm and it worked very well.
The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA
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Yeah, I had the Hyper-G 1.15mm and it worked very well.
naturalexponent
Legend
LOL PSGD at 55 is how I initially had my 93P set up too. Obviously less than ideal, but still enough to fall in love with it.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
I was using Rs Lyon in mine at like 43#s.
JOSHL
Hall of Fame
I still have the one you gave me….
djNEiGht
Legend
I had the original a while ago and traded them with Coach Joe's dad. It was an L5 grip. The L2 of the one you have was too small. One day...
Classic-TXP-IG MID
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The way it plays , feel and power , is exactly the same as the prokennex redondo mid 93.
I took the prince93 out the first day and immediately said, hey ... i know this racquet.
Next day, took it out with the prokennex 93 and can confirm that they are exactly the same racquet.
Having said that , both have very small sweetspot.
and nearing the 2 hour mark, I am no longer able to play with it effectively without being pushed around by my sparring partner.
and nearing the 2 hour mark, missing the sweetspot, reverberate through my arm , negating all benefits of the flex in the first place.
My partner also noted how my balls carry less weight and how he had more time to control the game.
for reference, I am 175cm/80kg and run 3km in 20mins each week , I am an ntrp 4.
but after 2 hours with this racquet , I'm all out of steam.
Needs a lot of concentration to play with it competitively.
I'm sorry guys, but the rebel95 is still the best prince racquet that suit my abilities. I really wanted to it to replace the rebel95 , as a modern racquet I could still source new as replacement, but it is completely unlike the rebel95 , completely different.
The rebel95 has this smooth buttered muted layer to the feel ( that does not impact control in anway ) , while the prince93 - you feel everything.
The rebel95 has power to see you through 2 hours.
The rebel95 has a larger sweetspot , and more forgiving during mishits.
Both flirt with lines and corners just as easily.
ps85. rebel95. yonex89. kfactorPS90.
Richard Pioline
Hall of Fame
OK, OK, I am back to this racket. I tried a lot of different stuff, but this one just fits my game and it is great fun to play with. But not only that, I play really good with this one as well!
So, who's still playing with these? Let's keep this thread rollin'... Haha.
So, who's still playing with these? Let's keep this thread rollin'... Haha.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
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I still have it in my collection.
Richard Pioline
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Junioradae
New User
Which of the rebel95 is being referenced here ?
Richard Pioline
Hall of Fame
Today I went to the Pro Shop and let them measure DT and SW.
DT is 35 with 19/18kps! Wow. And SW is 340-342 on all my rackets. With a 1.20 string.
DT is 35 with 19/18kps! Wow. And SW is 340-342 on all my rackets. With a 1.20 string.
Anyone tried the 93p with syn gut mains with a smooth poly cross?
Ive got Pro's pro syn gut 16, and PP red devil 1.19 that I want to try (my shoulder gets a little sore if i use the poly on the mains).
Please can someone recommend tensions as Ive never used syn gut on the mains before.
Ive got Pro's pro syn gut 16, and PP red devil 1.19 that I want to try (my shoulder gets a little sore if i use the poly on the mains).
Please can someone recommend tensions as Ive never used syn gut on the mains before.
shamaho
Professional
Not sure I used it with the hmm 93 predecessor (POG) - I definitely used it with others in my sig - that particular combination of syn gut on mains will not last long at all (on average 3 or 4 hours for me). but the reverse will last much much longer (10X longer).
Adding syn gut will reduce spin consideraly and increase comfort - after a while, there will be no string movement will performance will deteriorate considerably although remain playable
naturalexponent
Legend
Don’t know about mains only but I found full bed syn gut at 55 too high and 48 too low.
Since my previous post, I strung up my 93p (18x20) with Volkl cyclone tour 18 @ 45/43 and Wilson nxt soft 16 @52.
I've pretty much hated both setups.
My favourite aspect of this racket is the feel, and neither of these strings feel good to me. The Nxt soft was surprisingly boardy and was very low powered, and I don't really like the feel of Cyclone tour in any racket, despite trying it many times.
Im going to try another multi next, but I suppose ill have to choose a thinner guage or lower the tension.
I think ill go for Prince premier control or multifeel. Anyone using a multi in this racket?
I've pretty much hated both setups.
My favourite aspect of this racket is the feel, and neither of these strings feel good to me. The Nxt soft was surprisingly boardy and was very low powered, and I don't really like the feel of Cyclone tour in any racket, despite trying it many times.
Im going to try another multi next, but I suppose ill have to choose a thinner guage or lower the tension.
I think ill go for Prince premier control or multifeel. Anyone using a multi in this racket?
jonestim
Hall of Fame
It's no longer my main racquet, but I do keep it in the bag. I'm using 17g gut / poly at 46 / 42. I would string a multi similarly low - and you experience with NXT at 52 says you should too. I also avoid 16g anything in this racquet.
naturalexponent
Legend
Multis make the racquet feel too pillowy for me. I have one strung up with PPC and it's super comfortable but almost to the point of no feedback. I prefer a firmer synthetic gut for a non-poly (PSGD but not strung too high). Also, I generally dislike the feel of hyper-g but I don't mind it in the 93P (18x20).
Tommy Haas
Hall of Fame
The original Prince Phantom 93P is the modern day Pro Staff 6.0 85 and Prestige Classic 600.
Permitlady
Professional
Problem with the 93p is, against good players, you get into a defensive position and you stay there. They get you running side to side and you can't strike the ball with enough authority to regain neutrality. Also random shanks and you feel alot of shock. Thinking about it makes my arm hurt. If you're not serving well you're not using it properly. Wonder how Federer did it all those years.
naturalexponent
Legend
It kills me that I prefer the PJ on update but the original feels and plays better (even if just subtly so).
I totally agree with this. I used the 93p for a couple of matches in my league and it felt amazing. Great control and great feel.
As soon as I came up against a player who had a more power oriented game, I could not defend well and the mishits crept in. I switched to the POG 107 for the second set and it turned the match around.
I've only kept the 93p to use in casual none league matches.
flanker2000fr
Hall of Fame
If you liked the 93P, but found it far too demanding (which was my case), you should really try the Angell TC95 18x20. Same type of player's racquet, but far more manageable (more power / tolerance) and less tiring, especially if you choose the 310g or 315g versions (you can customize the weight and balance).
Ive got two TC101's and I think they lack stability even with some added lead tape. Ive heard the 95 is similar with regards to stability.
Ive got on and off elbow / shoulder pain, so im actually looking into Prokennex rackets. They have some similar spec rackets to the 93p but with a more forgiving head size.
janelgreo
Professional
50% off Prince Phantoms right now for the 30th anniversary sale, at $100 it seems like a no brainer to pick one up since I've been wanting to try one for so long.
That being said, stuck between the 14x18 or 18x20... currently use VCore Pro 97D (18x20), but I have a feeling an 18x20 on a 93" would just be too low powered and I'm wondering about the ability to generate spin with a crazy dense pattern.
Any help?
That being said, stuck between the 14x18 or 18x20... currently use VCore Pro 97D (18x20), but I have a feeling an 18x20 on a 93" would just be too low powered and I'm wondering about the ability to generate spin with a crazy dense pattern.
Any help?
mhkeuns
Hall of Fame
The 18x20 strung at low tension with thin (18g) poly is magic. I heard 14x18 is great, too, but not as the 18x20.
janelgreo
Professional
SOLD, already use thin polys and string low on my 97D so that's perfect.
Ordered the 18x20, having them string it with Kirschbaum Max Power 1.20 at 44!
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naturalexponent
Legend
Excited for you, @janelgreo !!!
I'd love to try the 14x18Me. Gosen OGSM 17g mains at 50lbs, Tier One Ghost Wire 19g crosses at 40lbs. OGSM is stiff by syn gut standards, and GW is is soft by poly standard. I like this combo better than full poly set up.
I can basically play til the OGSM breaks before restringing. You might wanna pre-stretch the syn gut to minimise tension loss.
Richard Pioline
Hall of Fame
Hi there, I think I am back to the party!
naturalexponent
Legend
Hell yeah! What happened?
For me, I keep dabbling with others but this is always the "trusty" backup that I keep in my backpack, so even if I settle on something else I feel like this will always have an active spot in the lineup.
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Snapped my Phantom 107G strings yesterday so today I pulled out the Phantom 93P for a doubles play. Still have to say it does 2 things amazingly well: Pin point forehands and deadly slices. I hit serves, overheads and 2HBH better with the OS Phantom. But it's a delight to rip into a FH with the 93P. Feels like you can't miss.
Score was basically the same is it always is against these opponents so I can't say the smaller head did me a disservice. I'm just trading accuracy for forgiveness with the 107G. I think what i need is a 107G with an 18x20 string pattern.
Score was basically the same is it always is against these opponents so I can't say the smaller head did me a disservice. I'm just trading accuracy for forgiveness with the 107G. I think what i need is a 107G with an 18x20 string pattern.
Richard Pioline
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I just played this tournament, high level, but in true holic fashion I switched between the YY97H and the PAVS, which was completely unnecessary. Then I thought, I can play with all these rackets, and in the end is still all about footwork. The 93P is just the racket I have the most fun with and I still play good with it. Plus, as you all mentioned, it is just a tiny bit more precise than others.
I also really love that it is so maneauverable because it is so thin.
What it lacks a little bit is the stability of the YY97H or the PAVS or the PT2.0 even though the SW on mine is high with 343.
I also really love that it is so maneauverable because it is so thin.
What it lacks a little bit is the stability of the YY97H or the PAVS or the PT2.0 even though the SW on mine is high with 343.
naturalexponent
Legend
I agree re stability vis a vis the others. The long skinny throat doesn’t do it any favors I suppose. Have you tried weight in the throat? I did for a while and didn’t hate it but in the end decided I preferred the super maneuverability. I’m gravitating back toward the 93p too because I keep losing good points on shots that barely miss the lines!
Richard Pioline
Hall of Fame
Yeah, in clutch situations, the racket is just very dependable and trustworthy! It gives you the extra special kick in those situations, where with other rackets I sometimes produce a flyer or floater, this one just helps me to keep it in play and make the opponent work for the point. When I play with this racket, the opponent has to beat me, I won't beat myself, if that makes sense. And on clay, those are always the hardest opponents, that do not give you any free points and you have earn it... Everybody knows these partners and finds it hard to play against them. Those players exist on any level of play..
Richard Pioline
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Two more things:
1. This racket is the best racket for my OHBH in terms of confidence. I think the PAVS has more spin, but the 93P I trust more and also has a great amount of spin, too.
2. After you played a bit with the 93P, EVERYTHING ELSE feels so clunky and sluggish...
I will be playing my best hitting partner tomorrow, he won two huge amateur tournaments in the last two weeks with a lot of players from the top 100 in Germany attending! I will try the 93P against the Radical Pro Stocks I lent from @Jouke Fun times.
1. This racket is the best racket for my OHBH in terms of confidence. I think the PAVS has more spin, but the 93P I trust more and also has a great amount of spin, too.
2. After you played a bit with the 93P, EVERYTHING ELSE feels so clunky and sluggish...
I will be playing my best hitting partner tomorrow, he won two huge amateur tournaments in the last two weeks with a lot of players from the top 100 in Germany attending! I will try the 93P against the Radical Pro Stocks I lent from @Jouke Fun times.
naturalexponent
Legend
Agree on 2! Had a similar experience recently re 1. I couldn't for the life of me find my OHBH, but I finally got it back this morning by going back to basics/fundamentals with the 93P. Have fun, and I hope the 93Ps win out!
Flanker thanks for the intro.
I had the angell95 at 340g 9 points headlight
I sold it off.
I think the 93p is a better racket than the angell95.
I was not able to compare them side by side but
the 93p has a plush feel, and remembered that the angell with the foam, feels more muted.
I need the 93p to have more power, its weight and balance is good.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
Hall of Fame
It certainly worked well in the 97P... but I still needed to mod it.
Glad you're enjoying the 93P. I must get back to it one of these days.
mhkeuns
Hall of Fame
I’ve always wanted to try the 97P. How does it compare to the 93P? Is that your favorite Prince racket currently?
mhkeuns
Hall of Fame
Just try stringing the 93P with thinner (*17L or 18G) poly around 43 to 45 lbs. You will get the power you are missing and still have the great control. If you can handle it, the 93P can become a surgical weapon.
Classic-TXP-IG MID
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They are both great but in different ways. The 93P is laser-like, precise, controlled and slightly heavier in stock form... while the 97P provides more spin, slightly more inherent power (and more power at a comparable weight to the 93P), is awesome with angles, but needs modification (not much, but still needs it) to be at its best. The 97P still has great touch and feel, but it's not at the 93P's level. I love the 2nd Gen design much more than the 1st, but am not willing to buy another 93P just to get the better design. The 97P is also plusher feeling than the 93P (although both are comfortable).
I strung the 97P with Grapplesnake Tour M8, which was phenomenal in this racquet (but for now only comes in 1.30mm thickness). Lots of spin, oodles of control, but great feel and durability. It is also consistent throughout the string bed. I feel like the 97P requires a thicker gauge as the spacing between strings is quite wide, while the 93P requires a thinner gauge (1.18mm or thinner) to get the best out of it (increase spin, power and launch angle).
Hope that helps.
Anton
Legend
Or it could just have a bit higher twistweight
