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The 93p plays huge because of the round head. No problems with singles play. Sweet spot is large @markwillplay you definitely gave someone an amazing deal in two 93p.
Does the p93 play similar to the rf97?
Does the p93 play similar to the rf97?
The 93p plays huge because of the round head. No problems with singles play. Sweet spot is large @markwillplay you definitely gave someone an amazing deal in two 93p.
He sure did, haha.
Mark, I was playing last night and loved the feel of the gut mains. Certainly more comfort and power than full bed of poly. Was able to blast forehand returns at pretty insane speeds. I'd say that was the major difference in poly vs gut on strokes in the 93p. But I definitely lacked the control I'm used to with poly.
I'm sure it's something that could be corrected or gotten used to.
Can't imagine anyone lacking control with the 93P. I played a couple sets with it with full bed OGSM and still had great control. Better control with gut/poly but compared to any of my 100 sq inch 16x19's, the 93P puts them all to shame, no matter the string. The thing is surgical.
Not saying that I was spraying, but there is a huge difference between full bed of poly at 42/42 and gut syn at 50/45.
Going for that 90mph winner forehand, going to take the poly over the gut with those tensions.
Open to string setup suggestions.
I never use full bed poly for arm reasons. Gut/poly is as harsh as I go. But I remember jumping on a FH DTL in doubles with the OGSM and it was probably the best FH I've ever hit. The net opponent didn't even move as the ball whizzed past. Doubt it was travelling 90 mph but it was moving.
I always find technique makes all the difference and strings tweak it. I'd hate to think that 50% of my ability to keep a ball in play came down to strings.
I've tried 3 gut/poly setups in the 93P and Gut/Cream is the most arm friendly, Gut/Max power is the most controlled and Gut/Proline is the most consistent.
So with your needs, Gut/Max power would be worth a visit. Tames the gut nicely but feels a little too harsh for my arm. 50/42lbs would be my suggestion. but you could go higher if you want less power and more control.
Does the p93 play similar to the rf97?
Saying it again coming from the ps85 , didnt click for me .. too wide and round that headshape.
... me tooDid anyone here have a chance to hit with the 14/18 yet?
I think the review you really want @graycrait is Darren Cahill's review of the 14x18 93P.I can't wait until I can read a review of the new 14x18 93P vs the 18x20 written by an 18x20 93P acolyte.
I think the review you really want @graycrait is Darren Cahill's review of the 14x18 93P.
I don't know exactly what he is playing with right now, he did however play a fair bit with the Graphite Pro 14x18 and I figure he could give a valued opinion on if the 93P is any better/worse.Pardon me for being a rube, but are you serious? If Darren Cahill is playing with a 93P 18x20 I would like to know that. He is over 10 yrs younger than me with a better skill set - yeah, that would be good.
I don't know exactly what he is playing with right now, he did however play a fair bit with the Graphite Pro 14x18 and I figure he could give a valued opinion on if the 93P is any better/worse.
I don't know exactly what he is playing with right now, he did however play a fair bit with the Graphite Pro 14x18 and I figure he could give a valued opinion on if the 93P is any better/worse.
Wow, the 14x18 is available now. Stealth release ... I thought it was just a rumor / upcoming product. No idea it had launched. Prince is reaching for that large untapped market of players wanting mid-sized heads with odd string patterns.
TW has to send you the 93P 14x18 to test, as I think you are the one who is now qualified to let us know if this modern incarnation is able to stack up to the classic mids of a golden era.Damn! I love the Graphite Pro but I think after today I am leaning towards the Prince Advance Response 14x18. Almost interchangeable but the Advance Response is just a tad more powerful. Got a good hour hit with a current D1 conference champ today.
I think you are the one who is now qualified to let us know if this modern incarnation is able to stack up to the classic mids of a golden era.
I don't think I am the right person.
Private lesson conversation yesterday between myself and my new instructor:
Me: "I want to focus exclusively on my one handed backhand."
Instructor: "So your forehand is so perfect you don't need to work on it?" This followed by laughter.
Really enjoying the 93p after swapping out the leather with synthetic...it’s at 346 gms now strung with cyclone 18 @45..with leather I felt it was too much HL and little sluggish...it’s still very HL and easily manuerable as well...serving is really a delight especially the flat ones...
Coming from the stone age...Saying it again coming from the ps85 , didnt click for me .. too wide and round that headshape.
Just wanted to chime in and add my experience here. Been playing with the 93p in stock form for a few weeks, and swapped out the leather grip for synthetic yesterday. Went from 350 grams (leather+OG) to 342 grams (Skin Feel+OG). What a difference! It plays like an entirely different racket. Quite a bit more maneuverable, quicker when preparing for shots, running slices, volleys, etc. My serve feels a bit easier, especially top spin second serves. The racket is just easier to move where you want it. However, some solidity is gone, it feels lower on power... hard to explain why, but my shots are actually landing shorter in the court. It feels a bit more flimsy and "regular", just like any other racket. Even some vibrations and noises came out which I didn't notice before. I think the leather grip provides a lot of the solidity folks enjoy in this racket. I will add the Prince leather is something special, it is thicker and softer than any I've seen before.
I will probably put the leather grip back on, mainly to get back the large grip size (big hands). Maybe I will leave out the layer of adhesive plastic and the butt-cap-plug to shed 4-5 grams and get some of that maneuverability. My only complaint about the 93p was the sluggish feeling, especially with the racket overhead, and it was nice to see that can be changed.
What tension are you going to string the racquet?Mine came in today, planning on stringing tomorrow with klip gut and some thin poly in the cross. I'm going from a weighted up ezone 98 that weighs around an rf97a
I think 1hbh likes more HL balance, and 2HBH preferes a bit less HL balance. Did you compare the balance points between your 93P and EXO3?ive played a 2hbh for 25 years and with the 93p. My body just wants to hit a 1hbh. Took a little awhile in the beginning to feel comfortable hitting my regular 2hbh. It wasn’t that the backhand was bad just didn’t feel second nature like the graphite 93 I was using. Anyone experience this?
What tension are you going to string the racquet?
I didn't even think about that but I think you are right. the 93p is a lot more HL than the graphite.I think 1hbh likes more HL balance, and 2HBH preferes a bit less HL balance. Did you compare the balance points between your 93P and EXO3?
please review how you like that tension.I think I will do 53/50
The 93p plays huge
hahaha. I put it on top of my radical and width wise it was pretty close to the 98. the 98 was just longer. I should have said for me it plays big cause i tend not to miss lower in the head.Now now, lets not get carried away. It's still feels smaller than a 98.
ive played a 2hbh for 25 years and with the 93p. My body just wants to hit a 1hbh. Took a little awhile in the beginning to feel comfortable hitting my regular 2hbh. It wasn’t that the backhand was bad just didn’t feel second nature like the graphite 93 I was using. Anyone experience this?
Tested 93P (weighing in at 343 g strung) and RF97 (361 g) in parallel
RF was better in the back of the court mainly because of great plow through, very good at net as well; returns of serve good but not as good as the 93P
93P better feel, better confort, maneouvrability excellent and absolutely perfect on returns of serve (really incredible), good on serves due to its maneuverability, nice at net (if you hit right you will fell the racquet bending under the effort) => typically a "ship and charge" racquet
I tended towards playing inside the court with the 93P and attacking first serves of a 6.0 nrtp (that never happened before, this is my usual partner); some of my returns with the 97RF were winners though (but not with the 93P)
Both had a good slice, the 93P delivers very bad slice if you have proper technique
I found the 97RF a bit stiff and possibly difficult to play for over an hour whereas you need to have good footwork with 93P and move forward
93P was strung with Prince tour XP 17G and 97RF with an hybrid (could not read what it was, possibly gut crosses and a poly in mains)
So in summary, 93P slightly wins over 97RF in my opinion
Quite. I just commented in another Prince related thread that their products are great, but their distribution abysmal. I think that their marketing is on par with their distribution.
No mention of the new Prince racquets on TW's front page, no reviews ... another poor marketing effort by Prince. Their only hope for the Phantom 93P (14x18) is to make it sound so much better than the 18x20 that current 93 owners try it. I doubt there are too many customers sitting on the sidelines wanting to buy a retro-spec 93 but waiting for the right string pattern. Just my guess.