Gave it a long demo session before 93p. Not able to generate the same speed, power, spin, or connection to the ball with it. Actually like the speed pro 360 more than the mid.
But 93p trumps both.
The Prince Phantom 93P is a gift to us from TW - My Review/AMA
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Gave it a long demo session before 93p. Not able to generate the same speed, power, spin, or connection to the ball with it. Actually like the speed pro 360 more than the mid.
But 93p trumps both.
Do a search within this thread. Plenty of feedback from Prestige Mid players.
Also tempted to just pick up a 14x18 to play around with on the side bc it’s a really fun racquet, between the demo credit TW is offering and reasonable trade in estimates for my old Yonex racquets collecting dust (reasonable for the convenience of not selling it myself on the internet), it’s getting hard to resist lol
Anton
Legend
So it's 12.6oz 7HL
So, basically the exact same strung weight as a stock Wilson RF97A, but slightly less HL. Any idea what the SW is on the 93p 14x18 with that lead amount and placement? I owned an RF97A and loved the way it hit, but it was just a little heavy and a little stiff for me. I think I could get used to the weight of the 93p if it was a little more comfortable on my arm. And I always wished for a little more spin with the RF97A. Guessing that 14x18 pattern would do the trick.
Anton
Legend
RF97 is a spin monster, this will not have more. But it is definitely more comfortable and feels more swift. Stringbed feels less generous but more precise.
Swingweight is about 340
I was playing with a Prince Graphite II (14x18) when I got my RF97A last year and I got noticeably more spin with it than the RF97A. I never played a full bed of poly in my personal RF, though it had fully poly when I demo'd it before buying, and I definitely got more spin with the PGII 14x18, particularly on kick 2nd serves. I was kind of hoping the 93p 14x18 would have similar spin to the PGII because of the 14x18 pattern.
asifallasleep
Hall of Fame
Since I was getting insane offers for my mint 93P's, i've decided to take your advice and modded them close to my RF97 specs.
Hitting with them tomorrow am. You made some very good points!!! Thanks.
Prince 93P (361 grams, 10pts HL)
RF97 (356 grams, 11pts HL)
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travlerajm
Talk Tennis Guru
This thread is making me reminisce about my early high school days with my POG mid.
asifallasleep
Hall of Fame
Serves and backhand slices were even better after adding weight to the 93P. The RF97 allows me to hug the baseline and hit everything on the rise ala Fed, while the smaller headsize of the 93P forces me to move back a little and take fuller cuts at the ball. I definitely benefit more on my topspin and slice backhands with the larger RF97. I serve way better with the 93P.
Shangri La
Hall of Fame
Hit with both versions briefly. The two have about the same power level. The 14x18 plays a bit firmer, is slightly more forgiving, has bigger sweetspot. The 18x20 plays more 'pure', takes better preparation, and is more satisfying when the shot is well struck. Both are very nice classic mids. Probably too much to play with as my main, but will definitely add one to my mid collection. Probably the 14x18 becuase of the unique string pattern. To me hitting with a mid is like re-calibrating your strokes, which is needed from time to time.
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TheOtherBecker
Rookie
Never had a POG back in high school in the 80’s, but picked one up used last year, strung tight with a no-name multi. Felt... ok. Finally last night I restrung it with some leftover Kirschbaum Max power 16g (1.30) at 38 lbs. to compare it to my 93P 18 x 20
Played with it this morning and - Wow! This racquet just jumped to the front of the line in my bag. All the shots I wasn’t quite making with my Phantom 93P were connecting with the POG. I had more touch, and more pinpoint accuracy somehow, and was able to get more spin to keep my balls in the court. I didn’t feel any loss of control at all! I’ll have to keep playing with it to see if it was a fluke, or maybe I’m getting better or just had an “on” day, but I was very happy with it today!
I may need to get that 93P 14 x 18 now!
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Boubi
Professional
A POG better than the 93p ? Mm
Addxyz
Hall of Fame
Blasphemy.
graycrait
Legend
@TheOtherBecker ,
Which POG 90? 1 stripe, or 4 stripe with "90" at 12 o'clock, or 4 stripe with "Midplus" at the tip, or with "Straight Shaft on the throat and "Midplus" on the tip or "Tour" on the throat with Midplus on the tip?
TheOtherBecker
Rookie
1 stripe, grommet/bumper strip in good shape. [emoji2399]1984. Original leather grip 4 5/8. Likes long walks on the beach.
Also have a graphite Pro 90 and a Graphite Powerflex 90 I want to re-string. Thoughts?
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TheOtherBecker
Rookie
Haha! Not saying the POG better. But wondering if the 14 x 18 93Pis better FOR ME than the 18 x 20. AND I’ll be playing more with the POG in the meantime!
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mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
14x18 means constant restringing
TheOtherBecker
Rookie
14x18 means constant restringing
I guess then that the Kirschbaum max power was inadvertently a good choice considering that they pre-stretch it so it shouldn’t die as quickly, right? Anyway, I’m not really a string breaker, so it’ll be interesting to see how that works for me
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Anton
Legend
Signum Pro X-Perience 17g. Next on the string demo list
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How was 17g Prince Vortex?
spinerella
New User
Signum Pro X-Perience 17g. Next on the string demo list
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Looking forward to your feedback on how this plays. What tension?
Kal-El 34
Hall of Fame
It's a good string just not my favorite in this one. It feels good right after stringing but the tension maintenance left a bit to be desired. When stringing these at low tension, the drop after a hit was very noticable. For the price it's really good. If I re strung my rackets all the time I'd consider it but looking for something with a bit more bite and better tension maint
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Kal-El 34
Hall of Fame
Shangri La
Hall of Fame
The 14*18 demo feels slightly less solid than the 18*20. Not sure if it's due to the racquet weight/sw variation and string setup, or 14*18 has less string contact with the ball lol.
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mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
String breakage is my issue with open patterns.
I have one incoming so i can tell you next week.
mad dog1
G.O.A.T.
18x20s can feel very solid like you are hitting with a 2x4 piece of lumber.
What were you using before the 93P?
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Slow and clunky? Thats odd. Its a thin beam frame and has such a great balance to it. To me, it feels very maneuverable and fast. Whats the balance of yours?
Dartagnan64
G.O.A.T.
Yeah i thought the comment was odd. My POG 107 is slow and clunky (but packs a big punch). The HL balance of the 93P and midsize head makes it very swift through the air. That's why I really like it as a serving stick. For its SW I can get it moving very quickly.
BHold81
Semi-Pro
Yeah, I know it's really odd. It makes no sense to me either. I normally use a weighted up Liquidmetal Radical MP. The Phantom should feel faster.
Kal-El 34
Hall of Fame
Anton
Legend
93P is just superior, way more solid.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
If you can, check the balance. Im wondering if you got one with some odd specs.
asifallasleep
Hall of Fame
Thin beam yes, but it does have a healthy static and healthy swing weight. The 93P is a players frame, it is not a light tweener frame. What matters is that the specs may be sooo different from your current frame that it throws your mechanics off. Mod the 93P as close as you can to your current frame and see what happens then. Good luck.
It does look really nice in the frame. That's half the battle right?
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Now I need to buy green strings!
4-string
Professional
Signum Pro X-Perience 17g. Next on the string demo list
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I like that string/racquet combo a lot. [emoji1303]
TheOtherBecker
Rookie
I think I understand. It may be an acquired taste. I remember about a year ago when I was getting back into tennis, I demo’d the Pro Staff 97 and it felt sluggish, heavy, and dead to me. At the time, I settled on a Prince Warrior. A little later, I tried the 93p, and it felt kinda ok, but boardy and harsh outside the sweet spot. I settled on the Prince Tour line. Then I got hold of a Phantom with looser strings, and it started to make sense to me. Now I’m a Phantom addict.
I liken it to when you put an ice chip in a glass of whiskey, and it opens up the flavor profile. Giving a Phantom a little less tension can do the same. Or maybe just a little more time to get a sense of the feel.
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time_fly
Hall of Fame
What racquet are you coming from? The Phantom 93P feels very maneuverable for its weight, but I suppose if you are coming from something 300g or less it might still feel more sluggish. Also, measure your Phantom's weight and balance. Maybe it is out of spec.
BHold81
Semi-Pro
No, I use a weighted up Head Liquidmetal Radical. The swingweight is at least as high as the phantom is rated. I only did a two day demo of the Phantom, so I can't weigh the one I used.
TennisHound
Legend
it doesn’t matter if it’s odd or not, that’s how it feels to him. It’s funny all the posts telling him “You can’t be feeling that.”
Fwiw, it is a little slow and a little clunky, compared to modern day racquets
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Whats funny is how you missed the point.
Nobody is questioning his experience. We are simply curious if the specs are off on his particular frame. Thats it. I haven’t seen anyone tell him he “can’t be feeling that” or attacking his post in any way.
Additionally a major appeal of this frame is how fast it is for its size and weight. Thats what drew me to it in the first place, from a modern PA+ at stock weight. If someone is not having that experience, no problem, but asking if the frame is off spec should not upset anyone.
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BHold81
Semi-Pro
Oh yeah, I don't feel attacked haha. It baffles me too. Just one of those weird things I suppose. I'll probably give this racquet one more demo to see for sure. Good to see so many people loving a mid though, even if it isn't for me.
Power Player
Bionic Poster
Ok cool, it was not my intention or (most likely) anyone else’s to tell you how you feel about a frame you are using..lol. Surprised that even came up.
But yeah, the main thing about this frame is that it SHOULD play fast for it’s weight. If that is not the case for you, I don’t think you will find much value in using it. That’s why I suspected maybe the specs were off. If not, hey at least you got to give it a shot. It’s a really fun frame to play with, even if just for a demo.
