The Pro Staff 6.0 85 is Amazing!!!

tarheels2323

Semi-Pro
Over the weekend I got to hit with the Pro Staff Original 6.0 St. Vincent version that I recieved last week and WOW. I now realize why people love this racquet. I served better, volleyed better, and yes, I even hit groundstrokes better with a racquet that many feel cannot be competed with in today's game. I'm 19 and though I've tried all the popular player's racquets, the Pro Staff is the only one that I feel combines the great features of all of them. You do have to up your level of concentration to play with this racquet and you cannot be lazy in any respect, but I may very well make the switch.
 

Keifers

Legend
tarheels2323 said:
Over the weekend I got to hit with the Pro Staff Original 6.0 St. Vincent version that I recieved last week and WOW. I now realize why people love this racquet. I served better, volleyed better, and yes, I even hit groundstrokes better with a racquet that many feel cannot be competed with in today's game. I'm 19 and though I've tried all the popular player's racquets, the Pro Staff is the only one that I feel combines the great features of all of them. You do have to up your level of concentration to play with this racquet and you cannot be lazy in any respect, but I may very well make the switch.
Fully agree that you have to up your level of concentration and use proper footwork. I switched between my PS 85 and my Yonex RQ 7 yesterday (Sunday) and noticed many of the things you noticed. The PS 85 is indeed a very special racquet.

(Switching between such different racquets during the course of one outing is not a great idea, btw. Too big a change in weight, swingweight, technique required, etc.)
 

newnuse

Professional
Funny the reaction of people when they first try the PS85".

It's a very unique racket with a great feel. Welcome to the PS85" lovers club.
 

AngeloDS

Hall of Fame
It depends who you play against; the true test of a racquet is when you start playing people near or above your level and your games end up close. 6-4, 6-4 type scores. If you're playing a bunch of people under your level and not competitively, any racquet you try will be excellent.
 

Duzza

Legend
AngeloDS said:
It depends who you play against; the true test of a racquet is when you start playing people near or above your level and your games end up close. 6-4, 6-4 type scores. If you're playing a bunch of people under your level and not competitively, any racquet you try will be excellent.
yeah i like this description. I played a tourney last week against all the juniors looking for ranking points and lost 6-3 6-3 to a guy who goes to tennis school and sponsored by adidas (at least his squad is) and that was with a POG. Even though I lost i was not frustrated at the racquet at anytime.
 

Tennis Man

Hall of Fame
tarheels2323 said:
Over the weekend I got to hit with the Pro Staff Original 6.0 St. Vincent version that I recieved last week and WOW. I now realize why people love this racquet. I served better, volleyed better, and yes, I even hit groundstrokes better with a racquet that many feel cannot be competed with in today's game. I'm 19 and though I've tried all the popular player's racquets, the Pro Staff is the only one that I feel combines the great features of all of them. You do have to up your level of concentration to play with this racquet and you cannot be lazy in any respect, but I may very well make the switch.
Same here. It's an amazing stick. I'm looking for more of those. Where did you get one?
 

kalisthenes

New User
Is the 6.0 95 head just as good or would you say there is a massive difference. i currently play with a babolat APD and its difficult to hit the sweet spot every time.
 

Tennis Man

Hall of Fame
Ironically, I sold my APD just now after playing whole season with it. it's just way too powerful and light. I switched to heavier, low-powered Wilson stick and I don't think I'll going to Babolat anytime soon (maybe try Pure Storm in the next version).
 

Duzza

Legend
hey rafaello, just wondering what country you're from? You said you were 5.0 junior are you ranked?
 

Tennis Man

Hall of Fame
Duzza said:
hey rafaello, just wondering what country you're from? You said you were 5.0 junior are you ranked?
Why?

Where did you order your PS from? Maybe, I got it by mistake, hehehe.
 

kalisthenes

New User
Rafaello said:
Ironically, I sold my APD just now after playing whole season with it. it's just way too powerful and light. I switched to heavier, low-powered Wilson stick and I don't think I'll going to Babolat anytime soon (maybe try Pure Storm in the next version).
But did you know Federer strings his racquet at 40 or 45 which makes it very powerful. Its about controlling the power. I know when you buy a new ncode it is not powerful at all because ive played with my brothers ncode 95 and you really have to swing.

But im thinking of moving to a prostaff 95 rather than an ncode. I was wondering how much difference there is between the 85 and 95.
 

Tennis Man

Hall of Fame
Well, from my experience as you grow older your head is getting smaller given you exercise a lot ... )))

So, did you get your PS 85 yet. Where does it coming from by Canada Post? Vancouver?
 

Tennis Man

Hall of Fame
Hey, I'm trying to understand where you got it from. I need more of these sticks. Was it an online shop, **** or some private seller? I just started looking for more...

BTW, I'm thinking of removing a bumper guard from my PS 85. It looks kinda flimsy and I don't think I really need it on my used racquet.

I wonder how it would affect the performance? What do you guys think?
 

Duzza

Legend
Oh private seller. Well what grip size? If not 4 then bugger. Someone said they'll have some more in January...
 

Duzza

Legend
Rafaello said:
Hey, I'm trying to understand where you got it from. I need more of these sticks. Was it an online shop, **** or some private seller? I just started looking for more...

BTW, I'm thinking of removing a bumper guard from my PS 85. It looks kinda flimsy and I don't think I really need it on my used racquet.

I wonder how it would affect the performance? What do you guys think?
Removing the bumper guard will lower the weight, swingweight and overall feel you get from it.
 

Tennis Man

Hall of Fame
Duzza said:
Removing the bumper guard will lower the weight, swingweight and overall feel you get from it.
Thanks, I guessed that. Otherwise, no harm?

How did you find that seller? I'm trying everything and the market is so small here.
 

Duzza

Legend
Rafaello said:
Thanks, I guessed that. Otherwise, no harm?

How did you find that seller? I'm trying everything and the market is so small here.
I'm no expert on racquet customisation, make a thread dedicated to travelrajm about it..
 

Tennis Man

Hall of Fame
Ok, I'll try that ... BTW, I know the seller. Very nice guy and he has plenty of Wilsons in stock including PS 85
 
tarheels2323 said:
Over the weekend I got to hit with the Pro Staff Original 6.0 St. Vincent version that I recieved last week and WOW. I now realize why people love this racquet. I served better, volleyed better, and yes, I even hit groundstrokes better with a racquet that many feel cannot be competed with in today's game. I'm 19 and though I've tried all the popular player's racquets, the Pro Staff is the only one that I feel combines the great features of all of them. You do have to up your level of concentration to play with this racquet and you cannot be lazy in any respect, but I may very well make the switch.
Give us an update after you've played it for a while in serious competition. I too love the frame, but it asks a WHOLE LOT of the operator!! ;) CC
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
kalisthenes said:
Is the 6.0 95 head just as good or would you say there is a massive difference. i currently play with a babolat APD and its difficult to hit the sweet spot every time.
kalisthenes said:
But did you know Federer strings his racquet at 40 or 45 which makes it very powerful. Its about controlling the power. I know when you buy a new ncode it is not powerful at all because ive played with my brothers ncode 95 and you really have to swing.

But im thinking of moving to a prostaff 95 rather than an ncode. I was wondering how much difference there is between the 85 and 95.
Actually, Federer does not string as low as 40 or 45 lbs., more like 48 to 52 lbs., and that's with poly crosses.

There is not a massive difference between the 85 and the 95. They are different racquets for sure but they share many of the same qualitites. They are both player's racquets, both have the traditonal ProStaff headlight balance, both are relatively low-powered, high control racquets, both have box beams, both have the same 16x18 string pattern, both have similar sweet old-school feels, both serve and volley very well. The 95 is just easier to swing, is more flexible, is more headlight, but has a bit less control and power, and feels a tad less solid than the 85 due to the lower weight.

I would say that if you can't find the sweetspot on the APD, then you would definitely be better off with the 95 than the 85. The 85's sweetspot will be very difficult for you to find indeed.
 

Ganz

New User
kalisthenes said:
Is the 6.0 95 head just as good or would you say there is a massive difference. i currently play with a babolat APD and its difficult to hit the sweet spot every time.
I brought a 95 PS 6.0 and it just doesn't feel anywhere near the same. I brought one because of a comparison review at TW that was given by a member. The 95 was given lots of positive feedback. However, for me at least, it's has no where near the nice feel of the 85. Just holding the 85 in your hand you feel its nicely balanced, it's proportions and feel of the size of racket all feels nice and 'right'(whatever this may be). Holding the 95 by the throat or handle is by comparison flat. Playing wise, the 95 does not have anywhere near the lovely balanced feel of the 85.

As regards to hitting the sweetspot.. I currently play with the Babolat Pure Storm. My stringer noticed that I don't have an even wear pattern on the string bed. He also mentioned how it used to impress him when I used to play with the 85 because the wear and tear and string breakages were always bang on the sweet spot. It impressed him he said, becuase considering the small size of the racket head, he thought it would have been the opposite way round, i.e. missing the sweet spot. I said I couldn't explain why I can hit the sweet spot regulalry with the 85 and not with the larger heaed size Pure Storm.

Hope this helps.
 

superstition

Hall of Fame
Ganz said:
Playing wise, the 95 does not have anywhere near the lovely balanced feel of the 85.
That's because it's 11 points headlight vs. 7 or 8 points, I recall. All you have to do is add some lead to make the balance the same as the 85.

The complaint levelled by Granville in the TW review is that the frame of the 95 is too flexible.

When I played with it, my two-handed backhand was much better but my forehand was much worse.
 

Keifers

Legend
BreakPoint said:
There is not a massive difference between the 85 and the 95. They are different racquets for sure but they share many of the same qualitites. They are both player's racquets, both have the traditonal ProStaff headlight balance, both are relatively low-powered, high control racquets, both have box beams, both have the same 16x18 string pattern, both have similar sweet old-school feels, both serve and volley very well. The 95 is just easier to swing, is more flexible, is more headlight, but has a bit less control and power, and feels a tad less solid than the 85 due to the lower weight.

I would say that if you can't find the sweetspot on the APD, then you would definitely be better off with the 95 than the 85. The 85's sweetspot will be very difficult for you to find indeed.
Ganz said:
I brought a 95 PS 6.0 and it just doesn't feel anywhere near the same. I brought one because of a comparison review at TW that was given by a member. The 95 was given lots of positive feedback. However, for me at least, it's has no where near the nice feel of the 85. Just holding the 85 in your hand you feel its nicely balanced, it's proportions and feel of the size of racket all feels nice and 'right'(whatever this may be). Holding the 95 by the throat or handle is by comparison flat. Playing wise, the 95 does not have anywhere near the lovely balanced feel of the 85.
While I agree with BreakPoint that the 85 and 95 share many of the same features and playing characteristics -- so that they feel very much from the same family (c.f. the 6.1 Classic, HPS 6.1 and nSix-One that came after the 6.0s, which feel really different, not from the same immediate family) -- Ganz's description is imo quite accurate.

For me, the 85 has a superb feel and seems just 'right' -- very much a design in which all the elements came together in a way that exceeded the sum of its parts. And one that you wouldn't want to mess with because any gain would be offset by unacceptable loss(es).

The 95 is a very fine playing stick and it plays differently from the 85 -- noticeably differently, but, again, in the same immediate family. Most noticeable is it's more head light and swings more easily, and doesn't feel as solid on impact. I would not switch from one to another in an important match because I'd probably lose a game or few while I made the adjustment.

The design of the 95 does not feel as 'of-a-piece' as the 85, but tuned up with the right strings and tension (for me, Wilson Reaction @ 62), it can provide a marvelous extension-of-my-arm/hand experience that VERY few other racquets provide.
 

Keifers

Legend
superstition said:
The complaint levelled by Granville in the TW review is that the frame of the 95 is too flexible.
"Flexible" and "not as solid on impact" can also mean 'more supple' than the 85, which is a big part of the extension-of-my-arm/hand sensation I reported above.

I would describe the 85 as having a stronger personality than the 95, in part, because of its 'more solid' feel.

No question that these are different-playing racquets, but both have their truly excellent merits and fully deserve to be still in production (big thanks, TW).
 

Tennis Man

Hall of Fame
kalisthenes said:
But did you know Federer strings his racquet at 40 or 45 which makes it very powerful. Its about controlling the power.

I didn't know that, but this is not about Federer and his game. I respect him a lot but his game is really boring. I grew up as a tennis player liking M Chang, Agassi, and now like Nadal's style. However I have my own style and I'm looking for and playing with racquets I like (see my signature).
 

emerckx53

Semi-Pro
tarheels2323 said:
Over the weekend I got to hit with the Pro Staff Original 6.0 St. Vincent version that I recieved last week and WOW. I now realize why people love this racquet. I served better, volleyed better, and yes, I even hit groundstrokes better with a racquet that many feel cannot be competed with in today's game. I'm 19 and though I've tried all the popular player's racquets, the Pro Staff is the only one that I feel combines the great features of all of them. You do have to up your level of concentration to play with this racquet and you cannot be lazy in any respect, but I may very well make the switch.
I played with one for 10 years...try a DNX mid 93.....it all of the good of the PS85 without the bad...it's not much bigger at 93...really....I loved the 85 and I wouldn't have switched if the Volkl wasn't so good..my 2cents ..
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
emerckx53 said:
I played with one for 10 years...try a DNX mid 93.....it all of the good of the PS85 without the bad...it's not much bigger at 93...really....I loved the 85 and I wouldn't have switched if the Volkl wasn't so good..my 2cents ..
emerckx53, did you ever give the Yonex RDX 500 Mid a try before settling on the DNX 10 Mid?
 

emerckx53

Semi-Pro
BreakPoint said:
emerckx53, did you ever give the Yonex RDX 500 Mid a try before settling on the DNX 10 Mid?
Hey Breakpoint...yes I did. I liked the feel it gave and it was a very quick stick but it was one of the lowest powered racquets I have ever used...I mean really low.... and with no room for error when driving the ball...I can see why everybody leads them...IMO PS85's have a decent amount of plow and weight behind them....for me the DNX mid has that same plow with a little more room for error..thanks for asking...
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
emerckx53 said:
Hey Breakpoint...yes I did. I liked the feel it gave and it was a very quick stick but it was one of the lowest powered racquets I have ever used...I mean really low.... and with no room for error when driving the ball...I can see why everybody leads them...IMO PS85's have a decent amount of plow and weight behind them....for me the DNX mid has that same plow with a little more room for error..thanks for asking...
Hi emerckx53,
Yeah, I own a RDX 500 Mid which I haven't used in quite some time, and just this past week I took it out and played with it and it reminded of why I liked it so much. It felt so solid and has that nice "old-school" feel to it. It reinforced my reasons for describing it as a "lighter, modern, more forgiving version of the PS 6.0 85" in my comparative review I wrote for TW almost two years ago, and I still stand by it. I agree that it may be a bit light for those coming from something much heavier like the PS 6.0 85. There seems to be good weight in the head but the handle end could use some additional weight. I plan on adding a leather grip to up the weight in the handle a bit. The newer RDS 001 Mid is also a little heavier than the RDX 500 Mid but plays somewhat similar.

Good luck with your DNX 10 Mids thought. It's definitely very powerful for a Mid.
 

atpbook

New User
BreakPoint said:
I plan on adding a leather grip to up the weight in the handle a bit. The newer RDS 001 Mid is also a little heavier than the RDX 500 Mid but plays somewhat similar.

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have you tried adding more weight to RDX 500 ? do you think it would play like ps90?
 

tarheels2323

Semi-Pro
emerckx53 said:
I played with one for 10 years...try a DNX mid 93.....it all of the good of the PS85 without the bad...it's not much bigger at 93...really....I loved the 85 and I wouldn't have switched if the Volkl wasn't so good..my 2cents ..
I'd love to try one, but I think shelling out $20 just to demo a racquet when I can do it for free at my club back home is a little overboard. Plus, I bought five racquets since June and I'm not sure if I can justify another one right away (bought two in the past month) - did I say overboard?
 

Keifers

Legend
tarheels2323 said:
I'd love to try one, but I think shelling out $20 just to demo a racquet when I can do it for free at my club back home is a little overboard. Plus, I bought five racquets since June and I'm not sure if I can justify another one right away (bought two in the past month) - did I say overboard?
Yep, I'm in the same boat -- can't justify even demoing the DNX Mid right now. :( ;)
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
atpbook said:
have you tried adding more weight to RDX 500 ? do you think it would play like ps90?
No, I have not tried adding any additional weight to my RDX 500 Mid other than a leather grip. No, I don't think you could ever get it to play like the PS Tour 90 as the Tour 90 is much stiffer.
 
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