stingstang
Professional
What happened to the six one re-release? I was thinking about buying a couple but waited to see if a 16x18 would be launched as well, now even the 18x20 has disappeared.
The Pro Staff Classic 6.1 mutual appreciation club
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BenC
Hall of Fame
I don't know if they were ever officially released here in the US, only in Europe?
While we're on the subject of the PSC 6.1, there's 3 (!) sets of grommets available on the big auction site right now ...
stingstang
Professional
Ahh I meant the red & white six one (read the thread title wrong!). They were for sale for about 5 minutes.
Burn
New User
At least in Europe the 18x20 and the Team version are still available for sale...even at TW Europe.
BTW I found this re-release quite different from the 2014 release (last before this one) and I'm not talking about of paintjob differences that are obvious. In fact this re-release is a totally different stick. It shares the same 2014 mold but it feels a lot lighter...it feels more like a modern stick than a classic. I still own one of 2014 and two of this re-release. Love the new painjob though.
But while the 2014 version was still close in feel to the 6.1 classic I love, this re-release is worlds appart.
BenC
Hall of Fame
any chance you could weigh it?
moon shot
Hall of Fame
From my memory comparing to the 25th anniversary and a few previous 6.1 18x20 once the grips are the same the static weight is close but the new white and red version had a lower swingweight.
I think the modern feel as you put was like the nodes of weight distribution that makes a 6.1 swing the way it does had been smoothed.
Burn
New User
I will as soon as I can and will get back to you
Burn
New User
The comparison was between the SIX ONE model of 2014 and the SIX ONE re-release of 2017 alone. There is no comparison between any SIX ONE and any classic 6.1 (original or the 25th anni) because there isn't any. Different weight class (6.1 is 340g and the Six One 330g) different balance (6.1 is 12pts headlight and the Six One, although it clames the same balance pts, the weight distribution is more even) different swingweights, different stiffness (6.1 is 71 and Six One is 65). In sum, two different sticks altogether. Any 6.1 will be a lot more powerful than any Six One but very similar in terms of control and very similar in feel and confort (at least the 2014 Six One model).
The "modern" feel I've mentioned belongs to the 2017 re-release of the white and red Six One. Maybe it's due to weight distribution like you say but also felt a tad stiffer and a tad more hollow without being hollow if this makes any sense. They're not using the same materials on this re-release of the Six One they've used on the 2014 model. It seems like the same material used on the non-counterveil Prostaff 97 and RF97A although it is foam filled.
But it's a good racket and the paintjob is very sexy and for that reason it's a keeper...but the classic 6.1 anni does it all way better. More stable, more power, more court penetration, more ball heaviness and probably more precise due to its stability. So while I can handle it the 6.1 classic 25th anni will be my only stick.
wangs78
Legend
I thought the 2017 re-release had a lousy paintjob. Not so much the colorway but the type of paint. It had sort of a matte, plasticky finish that just looked cheap. And the red was not even a true red - it was a orange/salmony red. I complained about the paintjob in another thread and Peter Fig even acknowledged that given the price point the finish was not meant to have a premium look and feel like the main line Wilson racquets that retail for $200+.
I came from the 16x18 version of the 6.1 so I found the 2017 version which was 18x20 too boardy. I sold it and never looked back.
I came from the 16x18 version of the 6.1 so I found the 2017 version which was 18x20 too boardy. I sold it and never looked back.
LeoMiha106
New User
Sorry if I missed this in all the messages but anyone have an opinion on the PSC Large Head 110 frame? I just picked one up on the ‘bay for $25 that was mistakenly advertised as a 95. Looked around online and these don’t seem too common, are they in demand? Strung it up at 60 with a multi and threw a Wilson leather grip on it. 18x19, 12.5oz strung weight with overgrip on a 4 1/2. Hits beautifully, super stable, good spin, feels great in the hand. Attached a few pics, willing to part with it if anyone’s interested.
The 95 PSC is my benchmark for all racquets, I currently use a PS97 (Black and red version) but I always find myself going back to my Hyper PSC and PSC 95 Taiwan. So solid, thanks for the thread, great stuff (first post for me).
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The 95 PSC is my benchmark for all racquets, I currently use a PS97 (Black and red version) but I always find myself going back to my Hyper PSC and PSC 95 Taiwan. So solid, thanks for the thread, great stuff (first post for me).
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Prostoctennis take 370$ in new condition so seems like a good deal.
This morning was on a car boot market. When saw a PS Classic (no num) 16/18 in 9/10 condition being sold for €12, i grabed it. The raquet was restrung 3 weeks ago. So i played it this afternoon along with my Head Pro Lite Tour 660 1995, leaded up to 330g strung. The PSC is very demanding and heavy. If i mishit it vibrates a lot. Can definitely say that Wilson PS 97S (2014-2016), which i used during some time not far ago, is definitely better. Head IG YouTek Prestige Pro is better as well. But anyway, taking in mind that it is a classic legendary frame, i will keep it, taking it out on court from time to time.
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Played a match with my recently acquired 6.1 classic last night. I had one in college and found one in nice shape at goodwill for 3.99. Added TW leather and good to go.
Opponent (reg partner) said I was hitting a heavier ball than normal, but I also lost so there's that. Love the stick and need to get it restrung. May finish out my season with it since I am struggling to adapt to a modern frame (TT100p). Hit a yonex 330, probably my next frame realistically
Opponent (reg partner) said I was hitting a heavier ball than normal, but I also lost so there's that. Love the stick and need to get it restrung. May finish out my season with it since I am struggling to adapt to a modern frame (TT100p). Hit a yonex 330, probably my next frame realistically
Agree taylor15, played with one of my 5, 20 year old PSC last night, played well, won 5 of 6 tie break games, won 2 of 3 practice sets with different partners in each. Tried Bab PD, PD+, Yonex Vcore 98, been struggling with them. PSC seemed to check all of the boxes, variety of serves, volleys super, power and control plus feel on groundless. Don’t know why, but I’m staying with them. Until I take another nosedive!
asifallasleep
Hall of Fame
I somehow stumbled upon this thread and decided to buy a couple to try out. Anyone still hitting with these?
I still play with my five PS Classics (circa 1992/93) and love playing with them. I did notice this week that a new PS 6.1 95" (18 x 20) has come out (pretty much the same specs as previous models) as has another PS 6.1 100" (16 x 19) that is a limited edition. The PS 6.1 100" is a lighter weight at 11.3 oz. strung and it's more flexible (64 RA), so it's certainly going to be more arm friendly.
I'm not looking to switch from my originals, but I am curious to how these new ones hit. Anyone tried the 2021 models yet?
I'm not looking to switch from my originals, but I am curious to how these new ones hit. Anyone tried the 2021 models yet?
retrowagen
Hall of Fame
Can anyone please tell me if there is a current model’s grommet set that will drop right in a PSC 6.1 95 that’s 16m x 18c pattern? Recently got one, but am chasing an internal rattle in the frame, and will probably have to pull out the old grommet to clean out whatever might be floating around in there, and I doubt that the old grommet will want to go back in...
Thanks!
Thanks!
BenC
Hall of Fame
Current model? No.
Grommets for the Hyper Pro Staff 6.1 through the 2012 BLX 6.1 95 will fit with a lot of massaging and elbow grease.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
I have a bunch of these 18/20..
Strung with thin gauge multi or copolyester they are incredibly solid and pack a very heavy ball
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Is the si version much different from non si?
moon shot
Hall of Fame
I have a 5/8 stretch I do that on.
teachingprotx
Legend
Here’s a few of mine 
They are euro 6.1 classic juniors 26 .
It’s my main frame I use .
Different paint job now of course but in stock form they looked exactly like the normal version with red and yellow color way ..
These are roughly
10.8 oz
12 pts hl
RA -36-38
I adore them ….
They are euro 6.1 classic juniors 26 .
It’s my main frame I use .
Different paint job now of course but in stock form they looked exactly like the normal version with red and yellow color way ..
These are roughly
10.8 oz
12 pts hl
RA -36-38
I adore them ….
maxplough
Rookie
A quick question for the PSC6.1-knowledgeable among you: has anyone played with both the European 18x20 and Stretch 18x20 and can comment on any differences? I'm wondering whether by lopping an inch of my Stretch I'll end up with something similar to the EU 18x20 or a different racquet. I don't know if they played with the balance or stiffness in the Stretch to account for the longer length or just cut less of the handle off in the factory, wrote "Stretch" on the frames and called it a day.
I savour the subtle differences between the various 6.1s and Six.Ones, so if the EU 18x20 is different from a sawn-off Stretch, I'll just have to hunt down an EU 18x20!
I savour the subtle differences between the various 6.1s and Six.Ones, so if the EU 18x20 is different from a sawn-off Stretch, I'll just have to hunt down an EU 18x20!
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moon shot
Hall of Fame
I have some 6.1 Anniversary and stretch frames as well. The stretch are much more headlight, I would guess more than the weigh of an inch of handle but I could be wrong.
Grommets and drill pattern are exactly the same.
the stretch seems slightly more stable but that may just be the higher swingweight and I connect better with 28 inches.
maxplough
Rookie
Cheers moon shot, good to know. It sounds like the feel is pretty comparable then. Are you checking balance by hanging the racquets off a pen or similar in the throat or using a table edge/balance point machine? In either case, since the inch holds the mass of the buttcap, it might make a pretty big difference to measured balance. If you're going by feel, on the other hand, this is a different story.
I don't suppose you've compared the feel of a 16x18 to your Anniversary edition have you? I have a 16x18 too, so that might be a way to cross-reference.
moon shot
Hall of Fame
Now that I think of it 1 inch of of the hairpin probably has a good weight to it. With the spec variance of wilson (my stretch range from 30.4-31.5cm balance) and my affinity for 28 inch frames it may be that they would play similar if you were able to match a pair after surgery. I used an alpha balance board to measure fyi.
I never got along with the few 16x18 variants I've had. I don't care for how the crosses change density dramatically. It is very much in the family of the pro staff 6.0 in that regard but more so. In the center it is just as dense as the 18x20. The 16x18 is more whippy, less precise from the upper hoop, and plows slightly less. The stretch and standard length 18x20 hit closer to the 90s radicals that have proliferated in my house.
I suspect with access to both string patterns most people will find they fit best in one lane or the other and spend little time with the odd one out.
first pic: all 16 main except for the wood frame.
second pic: 6.1 18x20 vs 16x18
maxplough
Rookie
Great stuff---even if I have both string variants of 6.1, and a bunch of each string variant of Six.Ones, I'd only noticed that the 16x18 patterns were graduated and not that their density is identical to that of the 18x20s in the centre. That's a really illuminating visual comparison you've put together! Interesting that the RF97 is the most evenly spaced of the 16 mains racquets and that the K90 falls somewhere in between. I can see the potential logic of the graduated pattern---bringing down the inhomogeneity of the sweet spot and equalising the feel across the string bed---but for people like me who, judging by string wear, tend to hit slightly further up the racquet face, it's probably playing like a 14 or even 12x18. The TW racquet database stats (for Six.Ones) actually suggest that power (which I know doesn't equal sweet spot) is less homogeneous in the 16x18s than in the 18x20s---a reduction is especially evident near the PWSs.
I agree that most are likely to gravitate to one string pattern or another, although on that front I'm a black sheep---I love the poppy but soft feel of the 16x18s and they do give more spin, but the 18x20s are certainly more predictable and also feel gorgeous. One thing that brings me back to the 16x18s every now and then is the launch angle---I grew up with 16x20s, and I just put too many balls in the net with the 18x20 unless I really stick to it as my main racquet for several weeks. I'm working on matching the variants' launch angles with string choices so that I can easily switch between them (and the RF97), but it's a work in progress, and I'll probably never get all the way there without major trade-offs.
What draws you to 28 inch racquets is probably another can of worms (in a good way, I imagine), but I hope to get a taste of it soon when the Stretch is strung up. Maybe the surgery will be called off.
I agree that most are likely to gravitate to one string pattern or another, although on that front I'm a black sheep---I love the poppy but soft feel of the 16x18s and they do give more spin, but the 18x20s are certainly more predictable and also feel gorgeous. One thing that brings me back to the 16x18s every now and then is the launch angle---I grew up with 16x20s, and I just put too many balls in the net with the 18x20 unless I really stick to it as my main racquet for several weeks. I'm working on matching the variants' launch angles with string choices so that I can easily switch between them (and the RF97), but it's a work in progress, and I'll probably never get all the way there without major trade-offs.
What draws you to 28 inch racquets is probably another can of worms (in a good way, I imagine), but I hope to get a taste of it soon when the Stretch is strung up. Maybe the surgery will be called off.
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Moonarse
Semi-Pro
Out of pure luck I changed a pair of Pure Drives I've got as a bargain at at the bay for a brand new NOS pair of the 2017 Six. one 18x20 with an old guy from my club that bought them out of their beauty when traveling trough europe this year.
Coming from 4 years of APD GT and hitting with the frame the way it came (strung with nylon/multi I don't know at 57) I couldn't pass the net, thought I woud regret what I did. So I strung with MSV hex 1.10 at 45 and BOOM. All the power this amazing frame provides with 10x the precision my APD gave me, plus the ball pocketing feel I was lacking.
Been playing for a Month already, was finalist in a pretty difficult tournament that I entered and decided I was not going to go back to the APD for the tournament. Surprisingly, I haven't felt any issues with the spin factor - I tried the blade 18x20 for a month last year and I couldn't spin the ball even my life depended on it -. I was surprised on how much the whippiness of this frame compensated for the tight string pattern. My balls lost maybe 15% 20% of the spin I was getting from the APD but gained so much weight and an impressive easy depth. OHB on a dime and a CC slice that I can keep hitting my whole life without missing.
I'M SO SURPRISED.
Coming from 4 years of APD GT and hitting with the frame the way it came (strung with nylon/multi I don't know at 57) I couldn't pass the net, thought I woud regret what I did. So I strung with MSV hex 1.10 at 45 and BOOM. All the power this amazing frame provides with 10x the precision my APD gave me, plus the ball pocketing feel I was lacking.
Been playing for a Month already, was finalist in a pretty difficult tournament that I entered and decided I was not going to go back to the APD for the tournament. Surprisingly, I haven't felt any issues with the spin factor - I tried the blade 18x20 for a month last year and I couldn't spin the ball even my life depended on it -. I was surprised on how much the whippiness of this frame compensated for the tight string pattern. My balls lost maybe 15% 20% of the spin I was getting from the APD but gained so much weight and an impressive easy depth. OHB on a dime and a CC slice that I can keep hitting my whole life without missing.
I'M SO SURPRISED.
kevin qmto
Hall of Fame
Gotta say, I love the way this racket looks, almost as much as I love how it plays. It's a smidge heavy for me, but for a set every now and then, I'll swing it and I usually play great.
Strings are Yonex Poly Tour Rev @55lbs.
Strings are Yonex Poly Tour Rev @55lbs.
Moonarse
Semi-Pro
Sold both six.one 95 2017 18x20 that I was loving to play with, mainly because of 3 things:
- 6 grams difference between them and a lot of SW points that I don't know how to measure but I could feel. One was whippy and lighter the other a cargo train.
- the quality of the paint was something ridiculous. First low volley on the clay and it got 8 chips at the red strip around the head. 8. The paint just flaked off of the frame.
- got twice what I paid for as they aren't sold in Brazil.
I managed to find 3 16x18 K factor barely used and the paint quality and the overall feeling is way, way better. The handle seems different, the buttcap less flared and it feels way more head heavy and flexy. It does spin a little more... lets see how it goes...
- 6 grams difference between them and a lot of SW points that I don't know how to measure but I could feel. One was whippy and lighter the other a cargo train.
- the quality of the paint was something ridiculous. First low volley on the clay and it got 8 chips at the red strip around the head. 8. The paint just flaked off of the frame.
- got twice what I paid for as they aren't sold in Brazil.
I managed to find 3 16x18 K factor barely used and the paint quality and the overall feeling is way, way better. The handle seems different, the buttcap less flared and it feels way more head heavy and flexy. It does spin a little more... lets see how it goes...
Olli Jokinen
Hall of Fame
Hate it. Ruined my shoulder more than 20 years ago. Still hurts like a *****.Though there are some threads with bits of info here and there, I was surprised that there was no club for this classic stick. My all-time favorite and one that I've been playing off and on since the early 90s.
Here is the info I've gathered searching across different threads here on TT. I play the 16x18 so I've mostly stuck to that. Anyone who has specs or thoughts on the 18x20 version, which I believe is a bit more flexy, feel free to add!
None this is my original info. I gathered if from other threads and other posters, but I thought I'd collect it all here along with some pictures of my collection of PSCs. Please post yours as well!
Here are the general specs for the 16x18 version.
Head Size: 95 sq. in.
Strung Weight: 12.6oz / 357g
Balance: 11pts Head Light
Swingweight: 326
Stiffness: 72
Beam Width: 21 mm Straight Beam
Here's the old TW page: https://web.archive.org/web/20030402055330/http://www.tennis-warehouse.com/descpageRCWILSON-61.html
The line was launched in '90 or '91 (a little help?) as the "Pro Staff Classic" then "Pro Staff Classic 6.1 si" and finally the "Pro Staff Classic 6.1."
There were four versions. The first three, from my experience, played pretty much exactly the same and had the exact same specs. The fourth version, which I've played but never owned, didn't feel quite as solid. My understanding is that there wasn't any foam in the shaft of that version, but I cannot confirm that.
First gen: Pro Staff Classic. White butt cap with fairway leather grip stock. 95 sq.in written in the hoop. And made in Taiwan. (farthest to the right on the picture below)
Second gen: Pro Staff Classic 6.1 si. White buttcap, with aircushioned grip stock. 95 sq.in written in the hoop. And made in China. (Second from the right in the picture below)
Third gen: Pro Staff Classic 6.1. White buttcap with aircushioned grip stock. 95 sq.in written in the hoop. And made in China. (The other four from the left)
Fourth gen: Pro Staff Classic 6.1. Black buttcap with aircushioned grip stock. Midplus written in the hoop. Made in China. (Not pictured)
Grafil Injection
Hall of Fame
Now that I think of it 1 inch of of the hairpin probably has a good weight to it. With the spec variance of wilson (my stretch range from 30.4-31.5cm balance) and my affinity for 28 inch frames it may be that they would play similar if you were able to match a pair after surgery. I used an alpha balance board to measure fyi.
I never got along with the few 16x18 variants I've had. I don't care for how the crosses change density dramatically. It is very much in the family of the pro staff 6.0 in that regard but more so. In the center it is just as dense as the 18x20. The 16x18 is more whippy, less precise from the upper hoop, and plows slightly less. The stretch and standard length 18x20 hit closer to the 90s radicals that have proliferated in my house.
I suspect with access to both string patterns most people will find they fit best in one lane or the other and spend little time with the odd one out.
first pic: all 16 main except for the wood frame.
second pic: 6.1 18x20 vs 16x18
Just to confirm this useful analysis, here are the average cell sizes for the central 99 cells (11 vertical x 9 horizontal) for these frames. In the very centre (say 5x5 cells, 30cm2 or 4.5sqi) the 16x18 and 18x20 are very similar, but considering a hitting area of about 120cm2 (18.5sqi), the 16x18 is more spread out and the 18x20 is one of the most dense stringbeds around:
PSC 6.1 18x20: 1.125cm2
PSC 6.1 16x18: 1.325cm2
PS85: 1.4cm2
RF97: 1.475cm2
For reference, Ultra Tour v2 also 1.125cm2, Extreme Tour 1.3cm2
teachingprotx
Legend
Here is one of my Wilson 6.1 classic molds .. with a different costume but still a Wilson 6.1 underneath
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Who prefer the 16/18 and who prefers the 18/20?
Zodd
Hall of Fame
nice sticks - very del potro-esque. Did you get them like that or did you custom paint them?
teachingprotx
Legend
No .
I custom painted them at the time to appease my advisory staff position .
chrischris
G.O.A.T.
Anyone recently hit with 27.5 inch PS 6.1 vladic alingskde the regular length one?
Whats your view and conclision of the pluses and minuses of the 2?
Whats your view and conclision of the pluses and minuses of the 2?
