Discussion in 'Racquets' started by BC1, Apr 13, 2012.
then how do you find the grip if it is round ?
I have to pipe in here.......I picked up one of these three days ago......put the hybrid vs gut and rpm blast gut mains at 60 and blast in the crosses at 56.....
I come from an aeropro drive for years and a donnay pro one 97 for the last 6 months.....
I do not find the spin you speak of and have a very hard time controlling the power. Everything wants to go long with a normal stroke. I have to fight and tweak my swing to try to keep it in and I hit with heavy topspin.
Any ideas or suggestions????
Funny, I missed seeing the "not" the first time I read your post as well. Glad the volkl is working out. You don't find it too light? It is very far removed from your prestige 93 you liked. How would you compare it to the warrior?
What did you have the aero pro strung with?
I dont know man..how much spin do you hit with normally? There is no way you would switch to this stick and not be able to hit with spin, so it sounds like technique to me. The string job sounds like a nice one too. I'd personally be fine with it.
I haven't tried gut poly in years but hit with a ton of topspin. I've got two big tournaments coming up so I'm hesitant to put the Mamba premium gut I've got in the mains at this point. I recall using tonic a few years back and not getting the spin I got with full ALU (even with ALU in the crosses with gut mains). Spin and power and angles are my game.
Update......ok......my demos came in from tw tonight.......pure drive roddick plus 1/4 in full poly and multi and the pure drive roddick standard in both string set ups. I ordered the demos prior to pulling to trigger and buying my own standard roddick.
I was struggling with my gut/poly set up at 60/56 and had no control as everything was flying. Came back two hours later with the demos and.....
Totally different stick......I absolutely love the pro hurricane tour 17 full poly at two under mid tension. Stick was completely different and controllable. Form??? Maybe as there are several style of play, but I hit with a heavy amount of top.
Switched to the roddick plus with the same set up........fell in love. I had more control deeper penetrating slices, and heavy hard groundstrokes. I think I will be picking up a plus version too and spend some time experimenting with the two.
I cam to the conclusion....... I don't like gut........ I don't like hybrids either.......Im a full poly guy I guess. Not a bad thing.
I played with my aeropro's at 55# of full poly. My string of choice was volkl cyclone 16 g. I experimented up and down.... Even used tour duralast ..... The real stuff from overseas. I loved the cyclone in this stick.
Fedace back... oh gawd enough idiocy to make brains turn to much.
I kidda figured as much... saw your earlier post and thought... the heck this guy is talking about... pd no spin, does he even know how to swing???
Interesting how many posts are out there bout demoing a stick and coming to with a completely different conclusion to anyone else... if only they had set it up properly in the first place.
Not definitely switching yet but it is nice. I played matches with the 98 IG Prestige (Midplus) and only hit socially with the mid 93 as I found it too demanding for me against better players. Different of course but I performed well with the V1 and am continuing to improve as i dial it in. V1 is strung with Alu Rough 2lbs under mid.
The V1 doesn't feel too light which really is a surprise because the paper specs don't seem to be good for me but out on the court, it is very pleasant. It is only 2-3 pts headlight so that might be important as it feels solid and stable to me. It is reminiscent of my first impression of the Warrior actually, also felt solid and stable.
The PD Standard was probably up there as the best stick I have served with along with the IG Radical Pro but the V1 is up there too now. PD just edges it but I prefer the V1 everywhere else (except maybe a tie on forehand also). I would still pick the Warrior over the PD for my own game but the V1 over both at present.
In fact, I am still puzzled as to why I just couldn't nail solid backhands with the PD Standard. Looking back, I liked it a lot in most other areas. Hitting backhand winners with both the V1 and POG first time out (one under 11 oz, one over 12 oz!). I think maybe I was early rather than late on my swing and didn't give it time to adjust. Still in the honeymoon with V1 so no decisions yet. If I am absolutely honest, I would switch to the POG if it wasn't shredding my arm. Never had arm problems with a racket before. So frustrating.
David its timing. You can hit a solid backhand with any racquet but when you demo a lot of sticks your timing gets messed up. Usually takes 2-3 weeks to get my backhand steady on a new racquet.
David....that horrible Volkl grip shape isn't bothering you? That is always my biggest distraction when trying Volkl sticks. I tried past versions of the V1 and had trouble getting enough topspin with them, but they were great for hitting flatter. Also, what about that butt ugly brown color? I admit it...my racquet has to look good as well as play good.
I think you're right. My impatience does lead me towards racquets that click faster though but in hindsight, if I had taken a slightly longer term view on adjustment periods, I would have approx £1K more in my bank account!! That said, it is nice when a racquet clicks early.
It's not too ugly in reality but it's no Prestige or PD 2012 (love the cosmetics on both those).
No issues with the handle shape at all. Having played a lot with the rectangular Head TK82 pallets, it is actually nice for me. I also am more of a flat player than heavy topspin so it is fine.
You just have to identify what type of stick you play well with (weight, balance, power level, beam, flex), and then which ones grab your interest. Then you demo those few sticks and commit to it.
Takes a while, but it's worth it compared to going back and forth. If I handed you a pure drive or warrior or V1 and said it was your racquet for the next 2 years with no swapping I guarantee you would be fine with it
Nooooooooooooob club, just kidding, now that my vantage custom racquet broke I am looking into other racquets and so many people seem to love this racquet especially at my college, it is the 2nd best selling racquet for goodness sake, but I have always been into thin beamed flexible racquets, I wonder how good these really are
Im done testing racquets every week, my timing like power mentiones is messed up, right now, I have 3 Black Drive Roddick.........happy and play much better every day.
Here here. Testing racquets was fun for a while. If you're hellbent on raising your level of play (not just winning at your current level) its the right move to make.
PP, experimenting with a PD+.......on your gut poly set up, are your tensions on a "constant Pull" machine or crank....also, are you pre stretching the Pacific Classic gut ??
Played with the pdr in a tough doubles match against players ranked higher then me. One a 4.0 one a 4.5. This was my first doubles test with the pdr. Couldn't be happier. Loved it. And the string set up is superb. Even better now that it is broken in a little. Backhand was more consistent and more powerful. I'm loving the extrra mass of the pdr. However, on a change over after putting the pdr in the bag while grabbing some water I accidently started playing the next game with the standard Pd,and it felt and played great. Didn't even realize it until the game was over. I switched back to the pdr but could have played with either.
David. One of the guys I was playing against had an older volkl v1, and he had an amazing game.
Isn't the PDR NOTICEABLY heavier than the Standard PD? It's 20 pts higher in
swingweight and almosr 1 oz. heavier. How did u not notice that?
Jack its not really 20 pts higher in SW. It swings more like 315-320.
John, I use a stringway constant pull and do not prestretch.
Been Demoing the Black Pure Drive Roddick Plus (PDR+) for weeks now.
So very solid - so plush when hit near the sweetspot - significantly different than the PDR+ cortex (which I owned, in addition to the standrd PD cortex).
I tried the 2012 standard Roddick as well. Found my game to be slightly more aggressive with the standard (inside out forehand easier to time), but I constructed points better with the Plus. Something about an awareness on body-to-stick distance and footwork awareness just jumps out at me when I play with the plus. If I want to rip a forehand, I have to meet it out front with plenty of whip. I know you're not supposed to overthink it, but this racquet provides great feedback when I'm late.... Based on my own experiences and also plenty of instructional advice, being late on your strokes is easy to fall victim to, espcially if you hit with a relatively low-weight stick... can lead to golfers elbow, and wrist issues (overly whippy with not enough emphasis on forward extension).
Massive strengths for PDR+: Serves, backhand (I'm a two-hander), BH slice (killer!) and *especially* return of serve. My pre-demo stick (for over 12 mos) has been the Dunlop 4D 200 tour. Yes, the tour is a heavy stick, but I took my time and it became a non-issue. Quick side-note... anything less than 11.5 oz feels like a junior racquet - huge drop off in stability, plow, and especially serve-sting.
For me, the trick with the PDR+ was understanding how a lower weight, Stiff stick (~11.9 oz with overgrip as compared to 12.6 for the overgripped tour) would plow as compare to a flexier frame weighing an additional .5 oz. The Strings in the Pure Drive are absolutely critical - more so due to the stiffness.
On advice from other posts here (in regards to string brand, not nec tension), I'm using Pacific Classic Nat gut 16L in mains @58, and MSV co-focus 17L crosses @56. Loving it - lasts so much longer than full poly, and especially as compared to a textured string.
When I switch back to the Dunlop, I don't miss a beat - still not sure why, as the two sticks are fundamentally different, in nearly everyway (except balance point). The problem with Dunlop is that they really changed things with the Bio 200 tour. It's .2 oz heavier as compared to the 4 D (as if that was needed?!), and feels stiffer. I can't count on that stick to age with a familiar spec.... With Babolat, I figure the Pure Drive line is going to always have a dependable evolution.
Still struggling with the std versus the plus, but I can't argue with results...
Its not near as noticeable as you would think. Mine is .7 ounces heavier. And I would guess sw is maybe 15 higher. So yes it is noticeable, but in the heat of battle I didn't catch it right away. You would be surprised, the pdr swings a lot easier then specs indicate. I noticed the difference in grip (different overgrip) and feel of the ball comjng off fhe stringbed before the weight. Different string setups. Of course when you are comparing them side by side and focusing on the weight differences its more obvious.
Karmakorps, good review. Keep us posted on what you decide to go with.
Well, I just took a different approach, got rid of my one standard 2012 PDR and bought a PDR+ and a regular PD+, we will see how they hit. I still want to try the regular PD standard, but we will see when I get the chance to. This will be my first time playing with a Plus sized racquet, and I am a OHBH, so we will see how that goes.
history of the pure drive
Here's a video of the pure drives from past to present, starting in 1994
Just finished playing my standard PD strung full bed with Xcel at 58. Definitely softens the feel of the racquet. No arm issues at all. Comparing to my usual of VS/RPM, all things considered, I think I like the gut/poly better. The full bed multi seemed a little too powerful for me, and I wasn't consistently getting the spin that I got with the hybrid ( I know that this is probably technique more than the string). I'll try the full bed multi a little more, but think I'm going to stay with the gut/poly as my preferred setup
I think the determining factor should be whether you play more singles or doubles. Extended length racquets make close tight exchanges at the net tougher and it makes it easier to get jammed. For singles, the extra length is great from the baseline and on serves...the extra leverage gives you more power and reach. But everything has its pros and cons. For me, I play about equal amount of singles vs dubs, so I prefer std length. I can do +.25" like the Speed had...but +.50" makes a noticeable difference.
what would you say equals the power of full multi at 58 in the gut/poly setup?
I tried 56/52 and I felt I could go slightly lower.
Great video! Love the music too!
The PD12 is certainly one of the nicest looking racquets I have ever laid eyes on and that's what draws me back to it again and again.
I do have a question though....why the heck can't Andy Roddick hit more powerful groundstrokes with this racquet?
My gut poly drops to around 51 and plays perfect. Massive power and spin. I also have full multi in my other PDR and it plays pretty well, but not as powerful or spinny. It is at 58 and has dropped to to 52.
It has nothing to do with the racquet. He overspins the ball and does not drive his forehand. He used to do it, and had a huge forehand back in the day. Not sure what happened.
Another serve record was set at 163mph a few days ago...with a pure drive.
Look like a avatar change for Jack lol!
Wow that didn't last very long lol!
As soon as that avatar goes back to the Warrior, I do a 2 month countdown for the next one.
I am hoping at some point he starts posting pics of women in bikinis instead..lol.
You are way to generous and you severely underestimate Jack's ability to switch in split second! LOL
It seems he may be sniffing around the Pacific X Fast Pro already.
I recently strung up my BPDR with Gamma ZoDart.
It allows me really to crush the ball from anywhere on the court with the balls landing a foot inside the baseline. The string is really a dart and it is comfortable, supposedly durable and it is inexpensive.
I'm switching my other PDR which has BB for mains with Live wire 18 crosses to Gamma Dart. You might try it, I can't say enough good things about it.
My VS/RPM was strung at 58/56. I agree that you can go lower. What were you thinking of trying- 54/50? Let us know if you find that perfect combo
Well, it depends on the season really, like during spring I play much more doubles because that is when doubles IM leagues start and end. While during the fall, I play more singles, as that is IM singles. Preferably I like singles because you have the whole court to yourself and can move around with much more room.
Have some faith, he may pull through.
Jack, don't hesitate to go back to the warrior. From all of your posts, it seems that has been the best, and most appropriate racquet for you. I think you just got caught up in the new pd euphoria and intoxicating paint job. And while I'm sure you could probably play just as well with the pd, I think you've always preferred the warrior deep down. No hard feelings - the warrior is a great stick. If I wasn't using the pd, I would be in the warrior camp as well... or maybe the juice?
EDIT: I do hope you aren't giving up too soon though. I had my doubts about the pd originally. It actually took me a couple months and a couple different pd2012s for it all to start clicking. Loving it more then ever now. The more you play with it, especially with the right set-up, the better it gets. And the PDR just makes it all a little better.
You may be right
For no logical reason at all, I got roped into all the PD talk (thanks BC!)
and strayed from my Warrior, but I am sorry to tell the good people of this thread that I will most likely be going back to the Warrior. I never had a single complaint about the Warrior but LOVED the cosmetics of the PD and the "Babalot allure". I could stay with it and probably play pretty well with it, but I just feel so "comfortable" with the Warrior it would be stupid to use anything else at this point. I will keep one around for kicks and do some more experimenting with a few more string setups, but I just don't think it's the best choice for me. I did experience some shoulder and wrist soreness, which may or may not be due to technique, but I get none of that with the Warrior. I never played with such a stiff racquet before and it was a good sign that my elbow could handle it, but I fear that 72 stiffness number.
The PD12 is definitely a great choice for most 3.5-4.5 players as is the PDR and the + versions for some, but it really pains me to not be able to make this beautiful stick my #1. It's been fun though and it's not completely over, but if I want to win a match...I will be reaching for my Warrior
Jack, I will take the blame. But PowerPlayer and DGDavid had some influence as well!! I've I'm not mistaken, it was you and DgDavid that enticed me into the Warrior club initially. Though like I said earlier, I was very happy there as well. They're all great racquets in one way or another.
<<<<< OK PP...this one's for you. It will be my "interim" avatar
Nicely done!!! lol
Jack, now we are all secretely hoping you NEVER find another racquet.
Yes, I would go down 2 lbs to 54/50. I think that will be prefect for me.
But keep in mind, my dropweight is consistent for me and me alone. My 54lbs may not be 54 on another machine. It may be a few lbs off either way. I calibrated it when I got it a couple years ago, but haven't checked it since.
So which racquet do you prefer? The PDR or regular PD?
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