Discussion in 'Racquets' started by BC1, Apr 13, 2012.
OMG thats.... Crazy u actually measured every g!???
Learn to string and then do them yourself
Now that I'm using Msv n tour bite I really only string when it breaks which is 2 months?
It's only sgd$10-12 so it's fine really as oppose of getting my own machine etc.
lol @ CJ
and yes you used "pants" in the correct context
I am with you on the tennis gods. I should have just gone to work like I was suppose to .
Going one the court after having 2 beers is fantastic for me as long as I hydrated properly all day. Just keeps you relaxed. I know a few guys who do it for matches. My tennis club sells beer in the pro shop..lol.
What is ur guys opinion on 6 grams at 3/9 with 3 grams at 12?
I love beer but I just cannot play tennis and drink beer. It makes me feel too full and it messes up my balance. Makes serving quite difficult.
i played today with 5g of lead at 3/9 and it seemed nowhere as good as 4x4inch(not sure on weight) strips of lead at 3/9.
my volleys were way off with little or no control,it might have been me as i had a mare of a game loosing all my service games/matches.
was glad when i walked off the court to go home lol.
will stick with the set up and try again on tuesday nite and revert back to 4x4inch strips if it still doesnt feel right.
4 by 4 is literally 4 grams of lead. There is no way 1 gram made that much difference. Did you mistype where you placed the 5 grams?
Lanevo, be careful as you are walking into serious head heaviness with that setup and that is what nailed me. But it is a sublime setup that to me was so good, I don't like the pd or pdr without it.
That's why I asked, I have 4 @ 3/9 and 2 @ 12 right now, and I figured that would be tops, and it plays much, much better, bigger sweet spot and more stable, but still not as stable as PDR, so I was thinking of a little more. I know it is dangerous territory. Although the racquet is still quit headlight I must say, around 6pts. It's because of the over grips and all that I added. If anything I can balance again with a leather grip.
i counted the crosses and put the strips bang on in the middle 3/9 where they where before!!!!!!
i checked and double checked it too
all i can put it down to was a bad day on the court lol,and trust me it was shocking
I find your signature quite offensive. Instead of apologizing and moving on, you rub it in our faces with this constant remark. It's like your bragging about it. Not funny at all.
well it seems your the only one it offends!!!!!
and its meant as tounge in cheek (english humour)
ive apologised and have more than moved on and it seems you havent????
now we are on the subject of being offended,i noticed that all remarks have been made "AT ME" W.T.F???? was i having a one way conversation or was it pick on the newbee?????
and as for my "SIGNATURE" its here to stay and as the old saying goes "LIKE IT OR LUMP IT"
Yeah... I know. Modifying one frame is easy. Modifying 3 frames that all match each other when you are done is not easy, requires lots of precision and lots of crazy too.
You were clearly the #1 offender, that is why. You came into this thread posting every 5 seconds about every little thing that pops in your head without any concern for "forum etiquette", so excuse me for singling you out. You almost single handedly turned what was a very useful and informative thread into a rambling, confusing mash up of "all things Garry". Your "like it or lump it" proclamation of thread jacking and spoiling makes me like you even less.
Have fun with your mess you created here....I'm out.
let´s talk about tennis ......
Hey guys, garry has apologized and as much as you all have the right to feel offended, let's just move on, there's a lot more to talk about this stick.
Cus it's so light, I was wondering if I should remove the leather or go thinner and add more lead to the 12 o'clock.
I'm a lover of 16x19 patterns but another stint with a prestige mp has given me a lot more respect for a soft control frame.
I'm wondering how much lead should I add to make it similar to that of the PDR and where?
Well I ended up selling my PDRs. More injury prevention than anything. Probably the best stick I have used in terms of versatility and power. The racquet did not hurt my arm, but using it after I hurt it weightlifting has proven to be irritating.
One thing though is that in a match I don't always need all that power since I generate it myself. So I did have issues with hitting long in matches with the PDR, but I believe that was something I could have gotten past. I just can't risk injury with stiffer racquets even though I love the stiff/gut combo.
Im in my 30s and can still hit out pretty hard so going to a control stick with a little more flex is probably going to help my game and joints. I am not at the age yet where I need the extra power of the PDR, but it sure is addictive and awesome.
Where'd you sell them to? I did not see you post to FS/FT as I would be interested.
I posted them here in the FS/FT. they sold as a pair in one day. These sticks will sell so fast so that is yet another plus to buying one and keeping it in good condition.
PP that's kidda sad to hear. As I said in another post, I tried the prest mp again and loved it. If generating power is not an issue with you perhaps you could check it out too.
Yea no wonder I skipped it, 1/4 gripsize, but with you it would have been ok, should have posted on here first, I would have taken them in a heatbeat. I can always just build up the grip. And you sold them for such a cheap price.
Gut strings are not worth it to me (weather I have them done or do them myself). $70 to string a frame is just insane. Too many synthetic, cheaper choices out there to pick from.
Sorry to go ot but LanEvo I just emailed you back on that urgently needed assistance thing
i want to reply to this but im afraid i would get banned :evil:
"GET A LIFE"
Hmm ... Something doesn't sound right here. I could be wrong but nobody in this thread is singing the praises of full gut for this frame as far as I am aware? The price difference btwn the other popular choice here, Babolat Ecel, (which is awesome by the way), and the best gut/poly hybrid I've ever played with in my life is a whopping $1.49 US. Ya there are cheaper strings, but as with most things in life you get what you pay for. Comparing the playability of the cheaper synths to a gut/poly isn't even a fair fight in my opinion. Gut/Poly is so good, I don't know whether to go scream it out my window, or work feverishly to keep it a secret.
When I factor in the durability/playability issue, the value becomes even more clear to me. I'm guessing I would get 30-40 hours till breakage with my gut/co-focus. I restring every 20 hours to keep my arm happy and the playability high, because the poly dies long before the gut snaps. If I was stringing for myself, I would do what lots of other folks here are doing, which is clip just the poly out and restring thru the same gut at 20 hours, and now we are talking waaay affordable.
For comparison, I break a set of X-1 Biphase 16 ( a string worthy of comparison to full gut imo) in 12- 16 hours of doubles. I'm not even considered a big hitter amongst some of the guys I hit with who will pop that in 4-6 hours of singles, even sooner on clay. Just my opinion, but anybody (and not directed at anybody in particular) not hitting with enough power/topspin to break a premium mulitfil in 20 hours of singles, is probably lacking the basic technique to acquire that which they seek by careful string selection. Just throwing that thought in there as a way to put the playability/durability factor on equal footing for comparison.
$32.95 ... Babolat Tonic+ 15L
$7.90 ... MSV Co Focus 17L
Total = $40.85
$20.44 ... Price for 1 Frame as a hybrid.
$18.95 ... Babolat Excel 16
$17.00 ... Technifibre X-1 Biphase
BTW - Sorry to hear about your shoulder issues PP, that's a bummer. I know you were really diggin yer setup. I'll be watching to see where you find your next fishing hole.
Thanks Jack, the setup was incredible. I am currently using some yonex sticks as I demoed some and am very impressed.
deleted my post, was likely to derail conversation. thought better of it.
Everyone speaks of how light the pd2012 is. I guess mine is not the norm. With just one overgrip (blue tournagrip), it is 11.6 ounces. And that's without the dampner or the rubber grip thingy. Without overgrip it is 11.4. It swings and feels almost ass heavy as the pdr. Matter of fact, mine is only. 3. ounces lighter the my previous pdr.
It makes me currious as the what the others are weighing? At times I feel like the extra weight is a plus and sometimes a negative. I like the extra weight at times but I'm not sure how it is distributed in the frame and at times it feels sluggish, it does not swing as fast as everyone on here says. I would say the sw is it the mid 220s.
(REGARDING ALL OF THIS OTHER OFF TOPIC MESS IN THIS THREAD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US ALL GET BACK TO GETTING ALONG AND USING THE THREAD AS IT Is INTENDED. SINCERE, WELL INTENDED, ATTEMPTS HAVE BEEN MADE TO KEEP EVERYONE IN LINE AND APPOLOGIES HAVE BEEN MADE. GOOD ENOUGH. ITS OVER NOW AND THERES NO REASON TO LET THIS DRAW OUT, WE CAN ALL BE FRIENDS HEREN, AND BE SMART AT THE SAME TIME. WE DONT NEED TO START ANOTHER "HATTFIELDS & MCCOYS ". Sorry had to throw that in their as Ive been watching that tv mini-series. Great show! Anyway, lets drop this fued. No reason to mention it again. Everyone come back to the club and lets have fun TALKING ABOUT THE PD. This thread has been too good to let die or for the pioneering posters to drop out. Lets just keep it nice, relevant, and primarily to the topic of the pd and other racquets. Thanks, just my 2¢. BC1
Now someone please help Md with my pd weight issue. Should I be concerned, is it a good thing? What's the easiest way to make a stick hl without adding too much weight to the grip? What are other pds weighing? Thanks.
The only way you are going to get people from derailing the thread is to report them.
Back on topic - it seems to me that Bab specs can be very much the kind for which averages are unhelpful.
In other words, the average is not the norm when it comes to Babolat.
Blutak in the inside butt of the racquet is the easiest way to make the racquet more headlight while adding the least weight.
i take my hat off to you BC1
ive apologised and yes i no i have messed up and from now on im only posting relavent to tennis questions/answers
i have spent a fair while reading through a certain person,s 60000000000000000000000 posts and i lost count of "idle chit chat" i got bored and talk about double standards and thats why im bloody mad.also some people think they own a forum because they have 600000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 posts
im not trying to be funny or sarcastic (my signature) as its not my way,im a straight guy and will say it how it is and if im wrong i will admit it.
it is now the end of this and i do love this forum and i dont intend on leaving anytime soon.
i want to make friends not enemy,s and again ive gone around things the wrong way but again guys this is a forum and not life or death.
again i apologise to everyone i have offended by my comments/chit chat/spoilering/hijacking
I thought this was the PDR 2012 forum. This forum has turned into the lifetime channel forum.
Is there any consensus about the build quailty on this pure drive?
Imo the build quality is very good. Ive bought, sold and traded many pds and 2012 PDS over the years and have never been dissapointed. However I have noticed some weight differences in the pd frames. Ive come across quite a few that have been .2 to. 3 ounces heavier then spec. This isnt bad though. And nothing as severe as what you see with Wilson racquets. Ive never had any cracks and the paint jobs have always been perfect. And no problems with the grip or buttcaps.
We need you back here!! You're a valuable and needed part of this thread!!!
I want to know how you are doing with the full excel. Assuming you're still hitting with the pd. I'm thinking about trying something different and I haven't used a pd without poly for a long time. Its always been full poly or hybrid gut/poly.
Do you not find the excel too springy? What is your tension? How is control compared to the hybrid? Thanks.
Has anyone tried just a basic good syn gut in the pd2012?
question about nat gut and PD 2012
Guys, what do you think about natural gut and poly hybrid for the new PD 2012 ? Do you guys think this works much better than the Multi/ poly hybrid ? If so, what natural gut do you recommend for PD 2012 ? Other than the Babolat gut which is little too expensive for me. Thank you in advance.
Fedace I posted about this setup a million times in this thread, just do a little reading.
Well, I tried the following strings and here are my two cents in order of preference:
VS Touch gut 16 (classic, without BT7), full bed at 57 lbs. Great spin, pocketing, power and control and comfort. It's now my choice for this racquet.
Addiction 17, full bed at 60 lbs. Great power, less spin than the gut and pretty good control.
Xcel 17, full bed at 60 lbs. Feels almost the same as the gut, but stiffer and harder to control.
VS touch gut (non BT7) and MSV Co-Focus 57/57 - Great in every way. For two hours then the Co-Focus get boardy and stiff, but still retains the spin. When it went dead I had to work a lot harder for the power.
Xcel 17, full bed at 56 lbs. I put it away pretty quickly and went back to my other racquet with the gut. It's ok if you can't afford the gut, I guess.
Yes, PP has posted it and I think started the trend. Gut mains poly crosses works very nicely in the pd2012. For me it was better in the pdr, however I like it in the standard as well. I just went too low tension and don't have the control I did with the pdr. Comfort and power is very nice.
what natural gut should i use ? and what tension ? and who is PP ? I don't know him or her
Fedace is trolling this thread. Lol. Let him figure it out.
Hi Bartelby -
In my experience, the quality is much better than average but not overly impressive. Of my three, (PD+ standard) I had one come in right on spec at 300 grams unstrung, one at 302, and one at 296. Paint looks super awesome, not easily chipped and holding up nicely. No problems here, but as with any frame, be cautious with removing lade tape or clamping around any area that covers any decals, this frame has decals out the wazoo.
I've tried some less expensive brands for gut (Klip, PerformanceMaxx,) but had them snap in the bag or after just a few hours of hitting. Babolat Tonic+ is the second tier gut of the line, and the 15L thicker gauge is just a workhorse and lasts a very long time. You will get your value out of that one. The cross should be 4-5 lbs looser than the main. In this frame gut mains at 58 would be a good middle ground to start from.
Suggested reading below.
TimothyO's Review Thread
Casual Spin: VS/MSV Co-Focus
PVAudio's Review Thread
WT Pro / MSV Co Focus 1.23 Midnight Blue
Smasher08's Review Thread
Pacific Classic 1.25 x MSV Co-Focus 1.18
Hope this helps, Jack
So what is your recommendation? Any Gut under $30 a set? I cannot afford anything higher than that. How's Mamba Gut?
Hi LanEvo -
Ya, I kno you have to draw the line somewhere on what you are willing to spend, but there isn't any gut cheaper than the $32.00 per pack price tag on Babolat Tonic that I can recommend. The cheaper stuff is more brittle and more likely to snap during the stringing process, or due to bad string job, or a mishit near the grommet. I've not tried Mamba gut yet, I do have some on order, and would be happy to report back. Like you, I'm on the lookout for a decent gut at a cheaper price, but I have just not found it yet.
If you are looking for more specific recos on other choices you might revisit my reply to back on page 42. post #825 Hope this helps.
Yea thanks, I cannot use any of the Multi./Poly. or Poly/Poly setups, they do not work with my game as I do not hit with spin much. I mean with Poly, the only way to keep the ball in with is spin, and that is not a big part of my game.
^^ Cool, cool understood. So you want full gut or gut/poly?
Either one works for me, although I would prefer Full Gut. more, if you break strings often enough, try out both.
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