***The Pure Storm Tour thread***
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PED
Legend
^^Do you mean the AeroStorm 2008? I've never heard of a Pure storm 2008, but I'm often wrong 
The Aerostorm shares the same head with the PST but plays nothing at all like the PST. There is a lot of weight in the throat area of the Aerostorm Tour which makes it swing very heavily. I did not care much for it at all but my son uses one and loves it.
The Aerostorm shares the same head with the PST but plays nothing at all like the PST. There is a lot of weight in the throat area of the Aerostorm Tour which makes it swing very heavily. I did not care much for it at all but my son uses one and loves it.
aaron 3000
Rookie
is the pure control team the older version of the pure storm tour? in other words, is the PST a direct descendant of the pure control team?
because theres a few pure control team racquets on sale for $140 at the g0lfsmith by me. i want to pick one up as a back up to my PST.
because theres a few pure control team racquets on sale for $140 at the g0lfsmith by me. i want to pick one up as a back up to my PST.
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Yeah Ross, I'd say Alu Power is great for topspin, as my friend uses them on his Aero Pro Drive and achieves massive kick. But yeah, either Lux Big Banger Original or Alu Power seem like prime choices for a stick such as this.
They're a different frame - same niche market, but completely different feel. I picked up a pair of PCT's after I demoed the PST and didn't want to drop the cash on them, figuring that the ride would be similar. The PCT is stiffer and swings differently. Similar, but different enough that I'd stick with the PST if I needed a backup.
PSTers,
Interesting topic developing here (cheers to aaron and Slapshot.) The logical Q that therefore arises is one that I've actually been wondering about myself for a little while...
Which other frame plays closest to the PST?
This is of considerable interest to me because I presently have just the one PST. And because I do a lot of tennis in a semi-coaching capacity ('coaching' would be overstating it I think ) with young children - and because I prefer to save that one PST for proper playing/practice/ matches, etc - I'd v/much like a frame that plays as similar as possible to my PST.
I should also say that I have quite a collection of other rackets from which perhaps I could choose (including maybe 4 different Bab sticks.) And also, I was using the obvious choice, the Pure Control for coaching, but started to feel arm and especially wrist pains. Plus also, TBH, no matter how much I've tried (and believe me I have) I really am not such a big fan of this rod with its lack of feel, touch and general unpredictibility.
Anyway, what frame do ppl think resembles the PST the most (and it needn't be a Bab of course)?
Cheers
R.
Interesting topic developing here (cheers to aaron and Slapshot.) The logical Q that therefore arises is one that I've actually been wondering about myself for a little while...
Which other frame plays closest to the PST?
This is of considerable interest to me because I presently have just the one PST. And because I do a lot of tennis in a semi-coaching capacity ('coaching' would be overstating it I think ) with young children - and because I prefer to save that one PST for proper playing/practice/ matches, etc - I'd v/much like a frame that plays as similar as possible to my PST.
I should also say that I have quite a collection of other rackets from which perhaps I could choose (including maybe 4 different Bab sticks.) And also, I was using the obvious choice, the Pure Control for coaching, but started to feel arm and especially wrist pains. Plus also, TBH, no matter how much I've tried (and believe me I have) I really am not such a big fan of this rod with its lack of feel, touch and general unpredictibility.
Anyway, what frame do ppl think resembles the PST the most (and it needn't be a Bab of course)?
Cheers
R.
Aaron,
Just noticed your sig...
Funny because I too really like the i. Prestige MP and a few of those older Head frames (PT, Rad Tour, etc.) In fact, it was between the PST and i. Prestige when I decided that the former was the one that most suited me and could develop me in certain areas. Undoubtedly though, although entirely different, the i.p. is a special frame.
R.
Just noticed your sig...
Funny because I too really like the i. Prestige MP and a few of those older Head frames (PT, Rad Tour, etc.) In fact, it was between the PST and i. Prestige when I decided that the former was the one that most suited me and could develop me in certain areas. Undoubtedly though, although entirely different, the i.p. is a special frame.
R.
aaron 3000
Rookie
yeah i loved the i.prestige but because it was a 93 sq.in. it was way too demanding and unforgiving for me. im not quite at the level to be playing with such an advanced racquet which is why I switched over to the PST. hopefully one day, i'll be able to harness the i.p.
but yeah, basically I feel exactly as you do about the PST and i.prestige.
aaron 3000
Rookie
oh yes, thanks to slapshot's clarification, if the pure control team is different from the pure storm tour, which is a closer comparison to the PST: the aero storm or pure control team?
Interesting. I don't know that rod, but I'm familiar with the older Fischer Pro No 1 320 (red and black Kelefnikov frame.) That though has a very low SW and is surely not very alike the PST?
Can anyone else think of a frame, Babs or indeed other makes, they think is similar to the PST?
The MPro is descended of the old Pro No 1 - hence the low SW. The MComp is definitely the heavier swinging of the frames. I'm lucky enough to play with a guy who is a Fischer dealer, so I've swung pretty much everything they make for at least a game or two.
mawashi
Hall of Fame
Hi Ross,
I'm curious why you just don't buy another PST if its the frame you prefer to play with all the time. I too have a whole bunch of frame, way too many and I've found my groove with the APDC and Custom vantage so I'm just going to sell the rest of them to make space for some new APDCs and Vantages?
I've found it a real pain to find something similar but just doesn't quite play the same as what I like.
Btw, if you're still asking bout similar frames based on specs alone, these seem rather similar.
Yonex RDS002Tour cept it's more HL and heavier
Dunlop AG200 has similar total weight cept it's lower in power, softer and the string patten doesn't give it the same spin as the PST
ProKennes Ki 5 too seems similar and it's really comfortable. It doesn't do anything particularly well but it's really comfortable.
Cheers,
mawashi
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mawashi,
I'm actually looking to buy another PST at this very moment. There's only been a delay because I don't like the rip off, sky-high, UK prices - if you don't know the UK, let me assure you tennis is a ridiculously pricey hobby to have here... grrrr!... Anyway, I prefer to buy through personal contacts and other outlets.
R.
BTW, Cheers for listing similar frames to the PST.
PED,
Curious to know if you have a view on frames that are similar to the PST (Babs or other brands)...?
R.
I'm actually looking to buy another PST at this very moment. There's only been a delay because I don't like the rip off, sky-high, UK prices - if you don't know the UK, let me assure you tennis is a ridiculously pricey hobby to have here... grrrr!... Anyway, I prefer to buy through personal contacts and other outlets.
R.
BTW, Cheers for listing similar frames to the PST.
PED,
Curious to know if you have a view on frames that are similar to the PST (Babs or other brands)...?
R.
mawashi
Hall of Fame
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PED
Legend
Ross, I've found that there is nothing really out there by Bab or otherwise that plays like the PST. I think its the overall soft flex and the really soft head that sets it apart and these attributes combined with the woofer make it quite unique. I hit some the other day with a MG Prestige Mid that was quite nice. The flex ratings are the same at 63 but the Head played much stiffer than the Bab. I think its the soft Bab head that makes the difference.
mawashi
Hall of Fame
I actually like the feel of a Yonex, the stiffness is rather deceiving as the throat flexes more than the frame so any Yonex really feels rather comfortable coupled with the huge sp, Yonexs are some of the most interesting fames abound.
If you can try out a RDS002Tour you'll be surprised.
Cheers,
mawashi
StealthGnome
Semi-Pro
Hurray! I have 2 Pure Storm Tours now. Back up frame!
Ladies and Gentlemen, I can report we finally have "lift off" with my slice!
Well, it has taken a little while, but yesterday one of my few small gripes was instantly erased when it all suddenly clicked into place as re the 1h bh slice. By about the 5th time I played the deadly outswinging, er, 'banana shot' :roll: , both my opponent (a regular playing partner) and myself realised that here was a new weapon...
All of which makes me think - it just goes to show what can happen when you don't switch rods too often and show some commitment and patience eh?
Right. Next up: drop shots... For some reason I haven't found the groove at all with droppers yet (which I ordinarily like to mix into proceeding every once and a while.) I'm continually overhitting it and the feel/judgement/precision/whatever just hasn't been there.... BTW, how about everyone else with this?
Well, it has taken a little while, but yesterday one of my few small gripes was instantly erased when it all suddenly clicked into place as re the 1h bh slice. By about the 5th time I played the deadly outswinging, er, 'banana shot' :roll: , both my opponent (a regular playing partner) and myself realised that here was a new weapon...
All of which makes me think - it just goes to show what can happen when you don't switch rods too often and show some commitment and patience eh?
Right. Next up: drop shots... For some reason I haven't found the groove at all with droppers yet (which I ordinarily like to mix into proceeding every once and a while.) I'm continually overhitting it and the feel/judgement/precision/whatever just hasn't been there.... BTW, how about everyone else with this?
StealthGnome
Semi-Pro
I've been having trouble with slices in general. Do you have any tips?
For me, although I instantly really liked the frame and recognized straight off this was a real contender, so to speak, that's not the same thing as feeling I'd instantly mastered it. Such unique elements to the PST as the SW, the flex, the softish and muted feel, string, technique, the woofer even - all of these take a while to get familiar with. Therefore, my only tip is... keep at it and be patient.
I've settled in to using the PST after short affairs with the PSLimited and Pure Drive. I dropped my string tension down to 58 from 62 and have been amazed by the increase in power without sacrificing much in the way of control. I use Pure hurricane tour 17 g with Attraction or super fine play 17g. I'm new to hybrids and wonder why people reduce the tension on the crosses by 2 lbs. What is the theory behind it?
StealthGnome
Semi-Pro
YA TAA! I found my slice. 10 mins against a wall.
I like the Pure Storm Tour. Have mine weighted to 330g., 31.0 cm. balance, and 308 swingweight. Specs are from unstrung racquet. Have them strung with VS Team 17 on the mains and Lux ALU in Ice Blue on the crosses at 28 kg. Both pre-stretched. I used to use a midsized frame like the POG and the DNX 10 Mid, but boy after switching to this midplus frame, things have gotten easier.
As for strung swingweight of a Pure Storm Tour being 333, I think that is not right because my swingweight right now is 333 strung after having lead slapped on.
As for strung swingweight of a Pure Storm Tour being 333, I think that is not right because my swingweight right now is 333 strung after having lead slapped on.
On my part, it's only because I haven't played so much in the last 3 weeks or so (grooooan!) But if you want to start some discussion though, I'd be interested to hear ppls views on how they find the PST compares to other well known Babs (APDC, PD, PDR, PSLtd, etc) on the serve?*bump* No more updates or any discussion about this baby?
How did they rank? Power, spin, general effectiveness? How does the PST stack up?
I confess I still haven't mastered this frame as regards the serve, but I know the serve always is just about the final aspect to fall into place with a new frame, so patience is required (though I have to say it's an area where I often struggle a bit TBH.)
BTW, for you experienced PST users, any tips on how to best fully utilize this particular frame? Im sure a few of us would like to hear them.
Well, my update is that having had my PST for about 4 weeks now, my racquet feels a little different to the demo frame - not unusual except this demo was brand new when I took it, so a little surprised. Mine feels like it has more power and is a little less directionaly acurate - i'm not able to be quite so precise on going doe.n the line for instance. String tension variation from the factory I guess
Geting used to it, but still, like RossK, haven't got my serve fully sorted yet...despite thinking I had when demoing - which ultimately made me choose the PST! Oh well, always always room to improve...and I have to say that overall I'm pleased and finding it well able to deal with the power players using PDs and the like, whilst helping me against the weaker hitters too.
Still much prefer it to the PDR and PDR+ that I tried and like the exta weight over the PS.
Geting used to it, but still, like RossK, haven't got my serve fully sorted yet...despite thinking I had when demoing - which ultimately made me choose the PST! Oh well, always always room to improve...and I have to say that overall I'm pleased and finding it well able to deal with the power players using PDs and the like, whilst helping me against the weaker hitters too.
Still much prefer it to the PDR and PDR+ that I tried and like the exta weight over the PS.
tennis_hand
Hall of Fame
I also found my slice, by closing more of the racket head.
now it is a weapon now, as well as a defensive tool.
what can go wrong with this racket? nothing.
it has power, control, not too heavy, not too light, great stability against hard hitters(better than my previous much heavier 6.0 95), very comfortable to the arm even on bad hits. damn, u just go bang the ball hard, and u don't need to worry anything bad to the arm.
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Ross,
The only thing I can say is that it feels great on serving. I can get a lot of topspin on my second serve, and my first feels very comfortable with it; I can swing away and I know it will stay in. My overall game improves when I play with it, but I do get more topspin on it rather than flat, like my n95's. But as for other Babolat's comparing to them, Pure Drive w/ Cortex is a lot stiffer, and the serve's are bombs with that one. I tried my friend's, as he has two, and their killer at serving bombs.
I also share your pain in not being able to play that much, since school is now starting to get more time consuming with midterms (quarter system), but yeah, I love what this racquet has to offer. tennis_hand got it right on the money, there's absolutely no flaws that I find on this racquet. It's just everything about it feels just about right, not too heavy, perfect for all aspects of the game, serving, volleying, base-lining, slicing (defensively, and offensively). And it's just so maneuverable, and I'm slowly starting to like it more than my n95's at times. Just the overall feel of the racquet is different and comfortable.
Hueco,
Firstly... Ah, so you use the ncode 95 also?!...:-o
Q. How do they compare on serve, groundies, volleys and droppers, ease to swing, etc?
I only ask because the n6.1 has always appealed to me and is one of those frames I've always meant to check out but have never quite got round to it. (BTW, I'm familiar with the PSC 6.1 and HPS 6.1.)
Secondly, re the serve issue, I just think I need more play/practice time to figure it out better... Can I just muscle in a flat 1st serve as if it was a PD+ and be effective?... should I opt for a long, smooth, swinging slice or topspin (as I think you suggest), as if it was a more flexy frame (like say a C10 pro)?... Anyhow, I think you know the point I'm making - I still need to understand for myself precisely how to get the most out of this in the serve dept.
Firstly... Ah, so you use the ncode 95 also?!...:-o
Q. How do they compare on serve, groundies, volleys and droppers, ease to swing, etc?
I only ask because the n6.1 has always appealed to me and is one of those frames I've always meant to check out but have never quite got round to it. (BTW, I'm familiar with the PSC 6.1 and HPS 6.1.)
Secondly, re the serve issue, I just think I need more play/practice time to figure it out better... Can I just muscle in a flat 1st serve as if it was a PD+ and be effective?... should I opt for a long, smooth, swinging slice or topspin (as I think you suggest), as if it was a more flexy frame (like say a C10 pro)?... Anyhow, I think you know the point I'm making - I still need to understand for myself precisely how to get the most out of this in the serve dept.
I think I've found my string setup. I had been using Supex BA 17 as a main and Spiral Flex 17 as a cross, both at 57#, and it felt good, but went out yesterday with the BA @ 57# and the Spiral Flex at 60#, and it's the business. I also have a frame that's strung with full BA at 58M/56X that hasn't been hit with, but the spin from my hybrid is fantastic. We'll see how long it lasts.
Ross,
Yeah, I main the n95 (16x18 pattern, usually people prefer the 18x20 oriented control frame, but I grew up with the open pattern and it's just what I'm used to) for 3-4 years. If you want a comparison, I can do my best to describe some of the significant differences and similarities I feel when I play with them (Look at sig to see my string setups, I'm BBO fan).
For one thing, the n95 is a heck of a lot stiffer. Due to this, I feel I can easily access my flat groundie a lot more. I love baselining, so I use my forehand (eastern grip) as my main weapon. As stated before, I've said my backhand has gotten a lot better with the Pure Storm Tour, I don't know if this has to do with the bigger head, or the fact that it's more maneuverable, but I've noticed improvements. I should note that as of late, I've noticed my ground strokes with the PST have a lot more topspin than with my n95. I can also say this with my serve. Yes, as you noted, I feel that it's easier to do a long, smooth, swinging slice serve, even as the first serve. I get so much kick on the ball with the PST, and despite what people say about the open string pattern (16x18) of the n95, I honestly serve flat with that stick. I don't know if it's the mere fact that it's got a different swingweight, or what, but with the n95's I can really go for the kill when I see an opening. With the PST, I can access spin a lot easier, but can also hit flat. I'm not afraid to swing away with this baby, it's so flexy and that's why I love it so much; with BBO @ 55, I'm able to get just the right amount of pop on the ball that it's very, very effective. Not to mention that this racquet is just perfect in handling, I found no problem adjusting to it from my n95: this might be because the n95 is heavier and the PST seems a lot easier to handle, but I feel that's not the case. The PST is an amazing player's racquet in it's own right.
Now with drop shots, it's a lot easier with the PST. I can scoop up the ball and because it's so easy to spin with this racquet, the drop shots fall faster. They go right over the net with good spin and pace. As you noted earlier, it can be used as a weapon really because it's a rather aggressive slice. I use a backhand slice defensively with the n95, and I can sling the ball pretty deep into the court, but with the PST, it's a more comfortable, long swing. I feel it's flexible and fluid, not as stiff as my n95, and the drop shot is very, very effective.
Overall, I can safely tell you this racquet is a lot easier to swing and become comfortable with. I can see why one of the TW playtesters switched to it after they demoed it. It's just appealing on an all-court sense, I feel my game vastly improves in most areas when I play with it. I sometimes hesitate to do certain things with the n95 because it loves less room for error (heavier, smaller head, etc.) But overall, I bought the PST because I compared specs with the n95 as I wanted to try something new. And I don't regret it; this racquet performs up to my expectations and then some. As for your serve, you just have to let yourself really cut into the ball, I think you'll find it more effective with as much topspin as you can get out of it. That's not to say that you should disregard hitting flat bombs when you can, because it's easy to do that also. I just love the fact that I can really swing away with this racquet and the ball will spin with a great deal of pace.
Lastly, I'd like to note that I've never used the PSC 6.1 and HPS 6.1., although I've heard many great things from both. Honestly, when I got on this board, I was astounded to see the fanbase around the n95 and how many others still used it rather than the k95, which many say feels sluggish. I went from a Hyper Hammer 3.3 OS to the nCode 95 Six-One and it's the stick that really made me get into the game. I would believe that the 6.1 family are a great line of racquets, and won't hesitate to say that the PST is comparable to the n95 on the court. Do you use both as well?
Oh, and although that last response was quite long, I'll just that with volleys, it's really easy to use. You can really punch the ball deep into the court also. This is where the racquet's maneuverability really shines, it's easy to react. Leaves little time for your opponent to counteract the volley 
It might not pack as much punch as the n95, but it's just as good I would say. Both are great for overheads too.
It might not pack as much punch as the n95, but it's just as good I would say. Both are great for overheads too.Hueco,
Many thanks indeed for your excellent detailed comparison of the PST and n95. As I said, it is def one of those frames I've long wondered about - and you've now answered quite a few queries I had. And in what you say about the aspects of topspin, ease to swing and serve, you in fact confirm some of my own reasons for choosing the PST (and not other rackets like the n95.) Furthermore, I was interested by your comments re the PST and its abilities on drop shots, because it's the other area where I've thus far found little joy (it kind of generally feels a bit soft if you know what I mean?) Anyway, cheers again.
BTW, I've stuck religiously by the PST since last June i think... basically, I realized that a year and more of chopping and changing frames was doing zero for my game (I had become a total racketaholic after being a Bab man for ages when I first got into the game.) In that period I flitted between some great rods (such as the PSC 6.1, C10 Pro, 200G MW, PT 630, to name 4 outstanding rackets IMO), but eventually I knew it was ridiculous and I had to focus on one frame only. It was only after really concentrating on exactly what I need from a racket (ie good power, good topspin, easy to swing, good touch, etc) as well as identifying a frame that has those attributes and potentially even more, that I opted for the PST... and I'm very glad I did.
BTW2, Are you a member of the Babolat Alliance? If that sort of humour appeals to you, you should join...?
R.
Many thanks indeed for your excellent detailed comparison of the PST and n95. As I said, it is def one of those frames I've long wondered about - and you've now answered quite a few queries I had. And in what you say about the aspects of topspin, ease to swing and serve, you in fact confirm some of my own reasons for choosing the PST (and not other rackets like the n95.) Furthermore, I was interested by your comments re the PST and its abilities on drop shots, because it's the other area where I've thus far found little joy (it kind of generally feels a bit soft if you know what I mean?) Anyway, cheers again.
BTW, I've stuck religiously by the PST since last June i think... basically, I realized that a year and more of chopping and changing frames was doing zero for my game (I had become a total racketaholic after being a Bab man for ages when I first got into the game.) In that period I flitted between some great rods (such as the PSC 6.1, C10 Pro, 200G MW, PT 630, to name 4 outstanding rackets IMO), but eventually I knew it was ridiculous and I had to focus on one frame only. It was only after really concentrating on exactly what I need from a racket (ie good power, good topspin, easy to swing, good touch, etc) as well as identifying a frame that has those attributes and potentially even more, that I opted for the PST... and I'm very glad I did.
BTW2, Are you a member of the Babolat Alliance? If that sort of humour appeals to you, you should join...?
R.
Ross,
I know how it must feel to switch from great racquet to great racquet. But eventually, yes, I agree it's better to settle on one stick, and possibly get some multiples of the racquet you main. If you've chosen the PST, as you said you've stuck by it religiously since June, as your main racquet, I think you virtually have nothing to worry about. I'm not too informed on Babolat (used Wilson most my tennis life) but I can safely tell you that the Pure Storm Tour is unlike many of the other popular Bab racquets. And I think that's a good thing in the sense that it's flexier, it's so control oriented, that as long as you play well the racquet will not wrong you. And yes, there were many comparable sticks to the n95, but I feel this one is pretty comparable, and is just as great.
As for your proposal on the Babolat Alliance, I guess I wouldn't mind joining. I'm more of a Wilson man myself, but if you're in charge (I believe you started the thread?) you can add me if you like. Do I need to go in there and ask to join or would this be enough?
I know how it must feel to switch from great racquet to great racquet. But eventually, yes, I agree it's better to settle on one stick, and possibly get some multiples of the racquet you main. If you've chosen the PST, as you said you've stuck by it religiously since June, as your main racquet, I think you virtually have nothing to worry about. I'm not too informed on Babolat (used Wilson most my tennis life) but I can safely tell you that the Pure Storm Tour is unlike many of the other popular Bab racquets. And I think that's a good thing in the sense that it's flexier, it's so control oriented, that as long as you play well the racquet will not wrong you. And yes, there were many comparable sticks to the n95, but I feel this one is pretty comparable, and is just as great.
As for your proposal on the Babolat Alliance, I guess I wouldn't mind joining. I'm more of a Wilson man myself, but if you're in charge (I believe you started the thread?) you can add me if you like. Do I need to go in there and ask to join or would this be enough?
No probs - I'll put you in soon (maybe with another 3 or 4 ppl when they ask to join as posting the updated membership takes up 2 entire posts now due to the extreme length of the list.)
My main racquet is the regular Pure Storm and I was wondering if anyone can compare the regular PS with the Tour. I'm really curious to the differences or whether it is the exact same racquet but just heavier? I've been considering a switch for a while and just want some opinions please...
Alright, sounds great.
As for your question B-rian, I wouldn't want to mislead you; I jumped straight into the Storm Tour so I wouldn't know how it is compared to the original Pure Storm. Maybe some people on this thread will reply to you about it because they're probably more knowledgeable about those key differences.
some issues...
PSTers,
Well, it's time to 'fess up' here and admit that the last few weeks has seen me grow a tad disgruntled with the PST on a few fronts. And although it doesn't mean I'm calling it a day with the PST, I have played around with my old (leadeded up) PD+ once or twice (first time, I loved that extra topspin and power on serve/groundies; second time it felt like I struggled to wield such a massive great club!) And more than that, my thoughts have certainly strayed towards other potential frames... it is though, to early to say I'm quitting it for this or that (especially as, despite these misgivings, my game has generally improved in the last 4 months or so since I've been using it), so we'll just have to wait and see. Anyway... my issues are these:
. Feel - Although the frame is fairly stable, as someone who previously used the PT 630 on and off for quite a while (and I also dallied with other super-solid rods like the PSC 6.1 and the i. Prestige), I do find myself wishing for less of the hollow, Carbon, foam-in-the-handle, PST feeling, and desiring more of that ultra-stable, Kevlar-infused plushness, if you know what I mean? Which links to this:
. Power - Although it's possibly more to do with the matter of feel/heft/solidity as just power per ce, I do sometimes find I'm not quite generating the kind of ball-crushing oomph that I like (and that I found instantly when I hit with my PD+ w/lead)... As I say, I know it isn't just a matter of stiffness/flex rating - (because, for example, the PT 630 is actually pretty low powered and I can really cream the ball with that rod) - for want of a better description, I might be wanting something less poppy (which is how I'd describe the PST's power feeling) and more ball-crushing... ??!
. Balance/swing ease - Although it's generally speaking pretty easy to swing, I've often felt it could do with being either a tad more head-light or to have some flex or give somewhere so as to assist with last-second adjustment shots, low scoopers, digging out balls from behind you, etc.
. Serve - Whilst I know virtually everyone raves about the PST and how it serves, this just hasn't happened with me. Now I'll be the 1st to admit that my serve has all the inherent violent power of my 76 year-old grandma tossing a cushion on to the sofa :wink, but it frustrates me that 4 months in and I still continue to entirely elude that flat power that ppl speak of, as well as finding it a bit lively and unpredictable... and yet I pick up the PD+ and straight away I'm serving something v/close to bombs?
So then PSTers, that's where I'm at right now... looks as if I'd better, er, "work these issues" (lol!) with the PST, or, looking at what I've written above, it appears I could be seeking a frame that is a super-stable, felt-ripping, pretty head-light/easy to swing, serve meister... and I'm not sure I want to go down that often somewhat compromised ('compromised' as in you can't normally find everything you want in 1 frame) route once again... enough said.
R.
PSTers,
Well, it's time to 'fess up' here and admit that the last few weeks has seen me grow a tad disgruntled with the PST on a few fronts. And although it doesn't mean I'm calling it a day with the PST, I have played around with my old (leadeded up) PD+ once or twice (first time, I loved that extra topspin and power on serve/groundies; second time it felt like I struggled to wield such a massive great club!) And more than that, my thoughts have certainly strayed towards other potential frames... it is though, to early to say I'm quitting it for this or that (especially as, despite these misgivings, my game has generally improved in the last 4 months or so since I've been using it), so we'll just have to wait and see. Anyway... my issues are these:
. Feel - Although the frame is fairly stable, as someone who previously used the PT 630 on and off for quite a while (and I also dallied with other super-solid rods like the PSC 6.1 and the i. Prestige), I do find myself wishing for less of the hollow, Carbon, foam-in-the-handle, PST feeling, and desiring more of that ultra-stable, Kevlar-infused plushness, if you know what I mean? Which links to this:
. Power - Although it's possibly more to do with the matter of feel/heft/solidity as just power per ce, I do sometimes find I'm not quite generating the kind of ball-crushing oomph that I like (and that I found instantly when I hit with my PD+ w/lead)... As I say, I know it isn't just a matter of stiffness/flex rating - (because, for example, the PT 630 is actually pretty low powered and I can really cream the ball with that rod) - for want of a better description, I might be wanting something less poppy (which is how I'd describe the PST's power feeling) and more ball-crushing... ??!
. Balance/swing ease - Although it's generally speaking pretty easy to swing, I've often felt it could do with being either a tad more head-light or to have some flex or give somewhere so as to assist with last-second adjustment shots, low scoopers, digging out balls from behind you, etc.
. Serve - Whilst I know virtually everyone raves about the PST and how it serves, this just hasn't happened with me. Now I'll be the 1st to admit that my serve has all the inherent violent power of my 76 year-old grandma tossing a cushion on to the sofa :wink
, but it frustrates me that 4 months in and I still continue to entirely elude that flat power that ppl speak of, as well as finding it a bit lively and unpredictable... and yet I pick up the PD+ and straight away I'm serving something v/close to bombs?So then PSTers, that's where I'm at right now... looks as if I'd better, er, "work these issues" (lol!) with the PST, or, looking at what I've written above, it appears I could be seeking a frame that is a super-stable, felt-ripping, pretty head-light/easy to swing, serve meister... and I'm not sure I want to go down that often somewhat compromised ('compromised' as in you can't normally find everything you want in 1 frame) route once again... enough said.
R.
PED
Legend
Ross, I think the PST is deceiving in the ball crushing category. I played with my coach the other day and was voicing the same sentiments that you were: I didn't feel like I was really hammering the ball. He told me that I was hitting heavier than ever-deep and with pace.
My point is that with a PD or APDC (I've owned both) there is a greater sense of satisfaction and the feeling that one is producing alot of power and the PST does not give that feeling as much-even when the results say otherwise.
I was giving some thought to rebuying an APDC but my results lately have convinced me to do otherwise. Ross, I know that it's starting to get cold and damp over there in the UK and maybe a partial solution is to drop a few pounds in string tension. I began doing that last year and it makes a BIG difference. I usually drop 2 pounds in Oct and November and go down to 3 less in Dec and Jan. The denser colder air is harder to hit through and you might find that you'll reclaim some depth. For example I usually string at 55/52 with BBO or ALU and now I've dropped it to 53/51 to compensate.
On a side note, I just picked up my PST with full Gamma Zo tour at 53/51 and am curious to see how it goes. I've hit with it at 65 lbs in an MG Prestige Mid and it was quite stiff but the PST should meld nicely with.
My point is that with a PD or APDC (I've owned both) there is a greater sense of satisfaction and the feeling that one is producing alot of power and the PST does not give that feeling as much-even when the results say otherwise.
I was giving some thought to rebuying an APDC but my results lately have convinced me to do otherwise. Ross, I know that it's starting to get cold and damp over there in the UK and maybe a partial solution is to drop a few pounds in string tension. I began doing that last year and it makes a BIG difference. I usually drop 2 pounds in Oct and November and go down to 3 less in Dec and Jan. The denser colder air is harder to hit through and you might find that you'll reclaim some depth. For example I usually string at 55/52 with BBO or ALU and now I've dropped it to 53/51 to compensate.
On a side note, I just picked up my PST with full Gamma Zo tour at 53/51 and am curious to see how it goes. I've hit with it at 65 lbs in an MG Prestige Mid and it was quite stiff but the PST should meld nicely with.
PED,
Cheers for the useful and indeed thought-provoking advice, PED. And re what your coach told you about actually hitting with v/good power when you thought otherwise, this chimes a bit with me in as much as I've just returned from Devon and playing a few matches with my regular playing partner down there, a guy who is a much bigger hitter than myself, and not only did I beat him pretty easily (which certainly hasn't always been the way), he told me later how much my groundstrokes and... (wait for it!)... serve had improved since I'd been using the PST!
Sup,
Hey, don't be unduly influenced by any of the above post! From past recent exchanges we both know you def need to check out the PST! As I've just kind of said to PED, a lot of this negative stuff is fairly illogical (ie, not backed up by results) and maybe more a matter of aesthetic taste than anything else (though I stand by my comments of preferring something with a bit of flex in the frame or a it being a tad more head-light.) Also re my remarks about the serve, with the PST I've noticed every past problem has eventually been resolved with familiarity and playing time (example: I couldn't slice properly for a while. Ditto: droppers.)
R.
Cheers for the useful and indeed thought-provoking advice, PED. And re what your coach told you about actually hitting with v/good power when you thought otherwise, this chimes a bit with me in as much as I've just returned from Devon and playing a few matches with my regular playing partner down there, a guy who is a much bigger hitter than myself, and not only did I beat him pretty easily (which certainly hasn't always been the way), he told me later how much my groundstrokes and... (wait for it!)... serve had improved since I'd been using the PST!
Sup,
Hey, don't be unduly influenced by any of the above post! From past recent exchanges we both know you def need to check out the PST! As I've just kind of said to PED, a lot of this negative stuff is fairly illogical (ie, not backed up by results) and maybe more a matter of aesthetic taste than anything else (though I stand by my comments of preferring something with a bit of flex in the frame or a it being a tad more head-light.) Also re my remarks about the serve, with the PST I've noticed every past problem has eventually been resolved with familiarity and playing time (example: I couldn't slice properly for a while. Ditto: droppers.)
R.
PSTers,
Well, it's time to 'fess up' here and admit that the last few weeks has seen me grow a tad disgruntled with the PST on a few fronts. And although it doesn't mean I'm calling it a day with the PST, I have played around with my old (leadeded up) PD+ once or twice (first time, I loved that extra topspin and power on serve/groundies; second time it felt like I struggled to wield such a massive great club!) And more than that, my thoughts have certainly strayed towards other potential frames... it is though, to early to say I'm quitting it for this or that (especially as, despite these misgivings, my game has generally improved in the last 4 months or so since I've been using it), so we'll just have to wait and see. Anyway... my issues are these:
. Feel - Although the frame is fairly stable, as someone who previously used the PT 630 on and off for quite a while (and I also dallied with other super-solid rods like the PSC 6.1 and the i. Prestige), I do find myself wishing for less of the hollow, Carbon, foam-in-the-handle, PST feeling, and desiring more of that ultra-stable, Kevlar-infused plushness, if you know what I mean? Which links to this:
. Power - Although it's possibly more to do with the matter of feel/heft/solidity as just power per ce, I do sometimes find I'm not quite generating the kind of ball-crushing oomph that I like (and that I found instantly when I hit with my PD+ w/lead)... As I say, I know it isn't just a matter of stiffness/flex rating - (because, for example, the PT 630 is actually pretty low powered and I can really cream the ball with that rod) - for want of a better description, I might be wanting something less poppy (which is how I'd describe the PST's power feeling) and more ball-crushing... ??!
. Balance/swing ease - Although it's generally speaking pretty easy to swing, I've often felt it could do with being either a tad more head-light or to have some flex or give somewhere so as to assist with last-second adjustment shots, low scoopers, digging out balls from behind you, etc.
. Serve - Whilst I know virtually everyone raves about the PST and how it serves, this just hasn't happened with me. Now I'll be the 1st to admit that my serve has all the inherent violent power of my 76 year-old grandma tossing a cushion on to the sofa :wink
So then PSTers, that's where I'm at right now... looks as if I'd better, er, "work these issues" (lol!) with the PST, or, looking at what I've written above, it appears I could be seeking a frame that is a super-stable, felt-ripping, pretty head-light/easy to swing, serve meister... and I'm not sure I want to go down that often somewhat compromised ('compromised' as in you can't normally find everything you want in 1 frame) route once again... enough said.
R.
Ross,
I cannot say that I reciprocate all your feelings towards the PST, but I've also ran into some 'taste mishaps' with the stick. As I had mentioned about a week or two ago, I lost to a guy at my university. I could have easily beat this guy on any given day; I play a lot more, and understand the game more. But I don't know, I just didn't feel like I was hitting as hard, or plowing through the ball as I usually do.
The problem? I can't say it was just the stick, I was off more often than not. But hitting with my n95, it's a different experience. I hear the hammering of the ball, it's not muted, and makes me feel like I am really overpowering the ball. But yeah, I still enjoy playing with the PST. It's a great stick, it just takes some getting used to. Nonetheless it is not my main racquet, but I play with it enough to feel that sooner or later, it might be.
As for your serve, go for the kick!
Ross,
I cannot say that I reciprocate all your feelings towards the PST, but I've also ran into some 'taste mishaps' with the stick. As I had mentioned about a week or two ago, I lost to a guy at my university. I could have easily beat this guy on any given day; I play a lot more, and understand the game more. But I don't know, I just didn't feel like I was hitting as hard, or plowing through the ball as I usually do.
The problem? I can't say it was just the stick, I was off more often than not. But hitting with my n95, it's a different experience. I hear the hammering of the ball, it's not muted, and makes me feel like I am really overpowering the ball. But yeah, I still enjoy playing with the PST. It's a great stick, it just takes some getting used to. Nonetheless it is not my main racquet, but I play with it enough to feel that sooner or later, it might be.
As for your serve, go for the kick!
Hi Hueco,
As bolded above, this is def one of my little gripes at the present - lack of plow and the kind of stability and solidity that, combined with 1 or 2 other factors, usually makes for a ball crushing frame. However, as I've already alluded to, I'm prepared to work through these 'issues' - and not least because whilst I know there are other rackets that might provide more of a plow through effect and felt-ripping oomph, or be a tad more head-light or have a bit of flex somewhere, they undoubtedly will fall down in other areas.
Also, I know exactly what you mean by "overpowering the ball" kind of frames. I tend to like these (ever hit with the frame I nicknamed 'the terminator', the PSC 6.1?!) Although I wouldn't say more muted frames (like, say, the PDR w/Cortex) can't equally pummel the hell out of a ball...
Lastly, yeah, you're right about going for the kick! It can be quite good but does need more detailed working on - no doubt about that. In fact... I should probably prioritize this as regards practice for the next few weeks? (Btw, I've posted a thread up in 'tennis tips' section requesting serve power tips.)
R.
I'll be sure to check the thread out when I can then. I've been on a hiatus from playing, school work pilling up and am eager to get on the courts soon before it gets too cold (Winter in California's not too big of a deal, but it's still cold to us
). Yeah, I'm not planning on giving up on the PST either, but I plan to polish my game more before trying to handle it on a regular basis. I'm still too accustomed with my n95's, but it won't be long before I jump back on this baby and get to work. And yeah, I guess the whole 'overpowering sound' from other racquets I have played with are an acquired taste as compared to the muted feel of this racquet. You're completely right in saying that racquets with that muted sound could equally overpower the ball. Btw, Is the PSC 6.1 really that intriguing?
One of the PST's that I bought used had a leather grip on it - IMO, it made it too headlight, not unlike the Pure Storm Limited. Instead of adding weight to the head (which may have made the frame unweildy for a guy like me), I went back to the synthetic. The feel was fantastic though.
