The quartet of Montreal semifinalists won exactly zero matches in Cincinnati combined

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It shows that we WOULD BE entering a strong era of unparalleled parity, if the B2 were not still vulturing the Slam trophies.

If they weren't there....this is what it would look like. Could be a dozen new Slam winners before the next hegemonic player established himself. But no...we are condemned to watch Rafa and Nole trade Slam trophies for the next five years.
 
Without a dominant leading force such as the Big 3, we'll see this more and more. The WTA which we were criticising for years is actually the norm and it was an anomaly to have the same 3-4 players come out on top every big tournament.
 
Rosstour said:
It shows that we WOULD BE entering a strong era of unparalleled parity, if the B2 were not still vulturing the Slam trophies.

If they weren't there....this is what it would look like. Could be a dozen new Slam winners before the next hegemonic player established himself. But no...we are condemned to watch Rafa and Nole trade Slam trophies for the next five years.
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it's not fair but can you blame them? no one would be thinking about retirement with free slams to take
 
Rosstour said:
It shows that we WOULD BE entering a strong era of unparalleled parity, if the B2 were not still vulturing the Slam trophies.

If they weren't there....this is what it would look like. Could be a dozen new Slam winners before the next hegemonic player established himself. But no...we are condemned to watch Rafa and Nole trade Slam trophies for the next five years.
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Imagine the chaos if Nadal retired after 2016 and Djokovic after RG 18. We'd have had some crazy slam results.
 
The Guru said:
Big 4 used to do it no problem. These guys are young back to back masters with no BO5 final should be cake.
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Even they had a problem with it from time to time. Makes more sense to let them have at least a week's breather between these events then maybe we wouldn't have to witness so many unexpected early exits?
 
Mainad said:
Even they had a problem with it from time to time. Makes more sense to let them have at least a week's breather between these events then maybe we wouldn't have to witness so many unexpected early exits?
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Or they could just get good. We're talking about Kecmanovic, Krajinovic, Shelton, and Isner. You could roll the Big 4 out in a wheelchair to beat these guys. Yes it's physically demanding but a huge part of being great on the ATP tour is that long term stamina over the course of a season and if you can't hack it you deserve to lose.
 
Mainad said:
Even they had a problem with it from time to time. Makes more sense to let them have at least a week's breather between these events then maybe we wouldn't have to witness so many unexpected early exits?
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Yeah they had problems when they were competing in five-hour marathons like in the 2005 and 2006 Rome finals.
 
The Guru said:
Big 4 used to do it no problem. These guys are young back to back masters with no BO5 final should be cake.
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Idk maybe @Mainad has a point, in 2006 and 2011 (Fedovic’s best years) they were so worn out from winning Canada that they lost to a Non-ATG peon in Cincy named Andy Murray.
 
Kralingen said:
Idk maybe @Mainad has a point, in 2006 and 2011 (Fedovic’s best years) they were so worn out from winning Canada that they lost to a Non-ATG peon in Cincy named Andy Murray.
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A non-ATG peon who had already beaten super fit young Novak for his maiden Masters in Cincy just 3 years earlier! :cool:
 
Mainad said:
That they shouldn't play big events like Masters1000s back to back? They don't do it with Slams.
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I think this is the correct answer. Playing BO3 tennis every day in a 56 player field over two weeks (with travel in between) is harder than playing BO5 every other day over two weeks in a 128 player field.
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
PCB lost 1R to Kecmanovic; Evans lost 1R to Krajinovic; seeded Hurkacz lost 2R to Isner and Ruud lost 2R to the young wildcard Shelton as if he were peak Isner himself.

What it tells us?
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In all fairness to them, especially to the finalists, there wasn't enough time for them to acclimatize and rest. There should have been at least a week in between 2 Master 1000
 
Contrarian viewpoint!

They knew the schedule and chose to enter the back-to-back events. Saying “organizers should have scheduled“ differently is nonsense cuz then what happens to events scheduled that week?

Best of three should not have stressed them out. BITD daily BO3 was the norm so to me, it is a player conditioning issue. With tie breakers, there is no current chance of scores like 21-19, 12-14, 11-9.
 
It just doesn't translate well for obvious reasons.

1. Short rest inbetween
2. Typically different climate
3. Typically faster surface

Ruud and Evans outperformed due to draw in Montreal to boot. Hurkacz should have won but he got his own taste, PCB literally got 1 day rest after 6 matches and travel against Kecmanovic being a dangerous wildcard.

So none of these 4 losses were all that shocking. Hurkacz is the most surprising.
 
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