The question of who is greater between Sampras and Agassi is not a difficult one.

sandy mayer

Professional
With some rivalries it isn't clear cut who was the greater. A good example would be Borg-McEnroe which is why their rivalry was so special. But Sampras-Agassi this is not the case. I seriously don't understand why some people argue Agassi is greater. The only explanation I can think of is that there are people who like Agassi more as a player and aren't objective when evaluating the 2.
Is there anyone who would rather win 4 Australians, 1 French Opens, Wimbledon and 2 US Opens than 2 Australians, 7 Wimbledons, and 5 US Opens? I don't think having won all 4 grand slams makes up for the difference of 6 between the final tallies. A difference between 6 is an awful lot. And tthis was not an era where players missed grand slams for political reasons. Wer'e not comparing Roy Emerson (who won 12 grand slams in the absence of professionals) to Pancho Gonzalez (who hardly won any grand slams because he hardly played any due to turning pro).
And even today Wimbledon is the most prestigious tournament. The Australian Open has caught up alot in the Agassi-Sampras era but even now it's simply not as prestigious as the French and US Opens (which are perhaps not easy to pick between). If were'e looking at the big 3 Sampras has 12 to Agassi's 4: a huge difference.
People talk as if Sampras didn't care about the no.1 ranking. That isn't true. He did. Sampras nearly killed himself in the autumn of 1998 to finish no.1. He sensibly decided after that to pretty much forget about the no.1 ranking and add to his grand slam tally, realising that with increasing injury problems he couldn't realistically do what was needed to finish no.1
But Sampras finished as no.1 6 times to Agassi's one off. Even the year Agassi finished no.1 he still was behind Sampras head to head and probably only finished the year no.1 because Sampras missed the US Open and much of that autumn due to injury.
Sampras' 6 year reign as no.1 must not be ignored. I've heard Agassi fans say Agassi's career grand slam means we can disregard Sampras's record at no.1 I think that is an unsustainable argument. Sampras's vastly superior record to Agassi in year end rankings tells us that he was the better player. And Sampras never had dips in his rankings like Agassi who in the 90s fell outside the top 100.
And Sampras was 20-14 in head to head meetings, 6-3 in grand slams and 4-1 in grand slam finals. I've heard Agassi fans say that Agassi won their only 3 meetings at the Australian and French as if this compensates for the 6 matches he lost to Sampras at Wimbledon and the US. Well anyone would rather win 6 matches at Wimbledon and the US than 3 at the Australian and the French.
And most perhaps importantly of all there was something strange about their rivalry, which in my view lessens it and makes it inferior to the rivalry between Borg and McEnroe. Sampras won their most important matches at Wimbledon and Flushing Meadows and when I looked at Agassi in these matches I always felt his body language betrayed a lack of confidence. In their US and Wimbledon finals he always looked as if he knew he was going to lose. Even in the 2002 US Open final when Sampras hadn''t won a tournament for 2 years and Agassi was much higher ranked Agassi still looked as if he knew he was going to lose. I'll never forget the 1999 year end championships when Sampras returned after a bad injury and got badly beaten by Agassi and then came back just a few days later to beat Agassi in the final. There was almost something inevitable about that. Sampras was mentally stronger and that's why he won 4 out of their 5 grand slam finals.
So Sampras has a much better record in grand slams, a much better record in the rankings, a better head to head and a much better head to head on the big occasions. Agassi's career grand slam doesn't make up for this. I don't dispute Agassi's greatness, only that unlike in the case of the Borg-McEnroe rivalry, there's no question Sampras was greater than Agassi.
 
Yawnnnn......where's !tym when you need him?

Anyway, thanks for your incisive analysis of the obivous.
 
if agassi had a more stable career and closed out the early big matches (gomez etc) it would be debatable.

its just a shame pete played when he did, the only year in year out rival he had was agassi.
 
That's part of what being "Greatest" in a certain era, or overall, means...i.e. being able to close out big matches and career stability. Your statement is akin to saying, if Poland wasn't so small and weak and had a few more tanks it would have defeated the German blitzkrieg. Yeah, those Poles were not very good closers.
 
Amen Sandy Mayer. I've been arguing the same point for a while. So what if Pistol Pete never won the French. He flat out dominated the most prestigous slam of them all. And every stat of his is superior to the A train's. Agassi is a good player but Pete was the greatest.
 
I pick Pete, but not by a mile. One FO win is worth more to me than a couple of Wimbledons as grass is a specialty surface and the strength of the field on grass is not close to what it is on clay.

I pick Pete due to Andre's lost years, and due to the fact that it always seemed to me that Pete had a mental edge over AA.

14-8 is too big a differential to argue. 12-10 would be a different story.
 
they both are great. Between the two "great" players Sampras does have an edge.
Indeed sampras won big. But Agassi showed more variety. Just like Grass needs a diff skill set to win (huge S& v game) , Clay needs an entirely diff game (a huge serve is not going to help too much on clay). Agassi showed that he has the game to be BEST on any surface. Sampras is BEST of other surfaces except CLAY.
 
YAWN! If you want to say that Sampras was a better "tennis player" based on the fact that he won 14 slams compared to Agassi's 8, then try and digest the following:

Roy Emerson-28 Slams,
John Newcome-25 Slams,
Frank Sedgman-22 Slams,
Bill Tilden- 21 Slams,
Rod Laver- 20 Slams,
McEnroe-17 Slams.

As far as year end # 1 ranking's go... who gives a shtit....All the times he was ranked year-end # 1 never earned him a French Open Title. You still have to win 7 matches regardless of ranking. THAT IS WHY THEY PLAY THE MATCHES.

Sampras was a better SINGLES player than Agassi at Wimbledon and US Open, he was not a better player than Agassi at the French or Australian. Like you have explicitly described above----numbers or the records do not lie.
FACT-Sampras never beat Agassi at the French or Australian.
FACT-Agassi never beat Pete at Wimbledon or the US Open.

Therefore, we conclude Sampras was not a better singles player than Agassi at the French or Australian!!!

Class OVER!
 
But we also conclude that Sampras was the better player OVERALL-not just in two tournaments. Overall meaning, the approx. 15 years that they played on the tour, AT THE EXACT SAME TIME. If Agassi was better he would have beaten Sampras more, would have won more slams and would have been #1 more times. He wasn't. He isn't. Class is NOW officially over.
 
sandy mayer,

who does argue that Sampras is Greater ? It is obvious that Sampras is much greater than Agassi. At least in my eyes. Imagine 14 GS, fourteen . The second is Borg with 13. Especially if u take into consideration that Agassi is playing longer than Sampras and couldn't beat that Pete's result.

After results there is one important point - for me - my eyes. Sampras style was very difficult to reach and handle, playing in the movement, approaching net is more difficult.Sampras is the greatest player in the history of tennis, I can tell.
 
Phil, exactly!!

"AT THE EXACT SAME TIME" Pete and Andre met at the French and Australian-Andre was the better player. Andre never lost to him. So how can anyone state that Pete was a better player than Andre in those slams (half of the four) if Pete never beat him?

In that case, I conclude that Andre Agassi was a much better Wimbledon Champion than Pete Sampras.
 
Agassi and Sampras was a great matchup, probably the best to watch since the 70s. Brad Gilbert said that Sampras was the better player. Strokes alone do not a player make, if that was true, then the bottom 1000 of the world ATP pros would be competing in the later rounds on a regular basis. No, what really matters is what's between their ears. Sampras was the most determined and focused player to be number 1 since Ivan Lendl. Before Lendl, Borg. And the whole time they played, right up until Sampras, Connors had the same drive. Players who were number 1 but didn't have the IT that made them obsess nearly to be number one are numerous: McEnroe, Rios, Wilander, Becker, Edberg, and others. Most of the players who reach number one cannot sustain the whatever it is to keep it there. Those guys either didn't have the interest, or got sidetracked by life. In any event, Sampras has to go down as the best player of his era, and I'm a bigger fan of Agassi's.
 
Wow, you are putting Rios in very good company! He'd probably spit at his computer screen if he saw this!
 
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