The Rare Phenomenon of Players Calling Trainers for Mental Injury?

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The Rare Phenomenon of Players Calling Trainers for Mental Injury.

Has anyone ever seen this before? I have seen a lot of tennis over the past 20 years and I have never seen this before today's final.

To be clear, I want to make the distinction. I'm not talking about:
- Players calling trainers for physical manifestations of something mental, i.e. hyperventilating, heart conditions etc. etc.
- WTA Players calling coaches onto court for advice, tactics, training, strategy

I'm more looking for examples like what happened to Cilic in the match, where he appeared to be seeking help for a mental injury.

Do many people have examples of this type of thing happening in a match before ever?

Does the tournament referee have access to psychologists to relieve players the same way they have physios / MDs etc. etc,?

I'm still thinking about this aspect from the final.

One last bizarre event from one of the weirdest Wimbledons ever.....
 
every7 said:
The Rare Phenomenon of Players Calling Trainers for Mental Injury.

Has anyone ever seen this before? I have seen a lot of tennis over the past 20 years and I have never seen this before today's final.

To be clear, I want to make the distinction. I'm not talking about:
- Players calling trainers for physical manifestations of something mental, i.e. hyperventilating, heart conditions etc. etc.
- WTA Players calling coaches onto court for advice, tactics, training, strategy

I'm more looking for examples like what happened to Cilic in the match, where he appeared to be seeking help for a mental injury.

Do many people have examples of this type of thing happening in a match before ever?

Does the tournament referee have access to psychologists to relieve players the same way they have physios / MDs etc. etc,?

I'm still thinking about this aspect from the final.

One last bizarre event from one of the weirdest Wimbledons ever.....
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Hmmm. We're they discussing his blister situation? Must admit Marin didn't look happy about the situation.:confused:
 
Not hating on Cilic but I am quite sickened by how the media is building up the blister thing. It would not have changed a thing considering how Cilic's previous two matches went.

Muller came from a marathon 5 hour match to take Cilic to five sets. Again, SQ took Cilic to five. Cilic made a lot of (pretty shocking if you ask me) UE's in both matches.

I think if Muller had played a shorter match before, he would have beaten Cilic, so Cilic would not have been in the semifinal even.

I think the media is trying to make Cilic look good and heroic by playing up his blister, but is actually making it look like he is making excuses. IMO, Fed would have capitalized on Cilic's errors anyway.
 
Sentinel said:
I don't recall Nadal making a big thing about his blisters. He has won 15 slams with much worse injuries.
Murray battled through a hip problem and reached the QF.
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This thread is pretty stupid. Really bad blisters was what happened. Ruined the match plain and simple. The first half of the first set was a good measure and it looked like Fed was a bit better, but Cilic played really, really well. Don't really think this takes away from Fed's victory. Simply would have been a closer, much betterer match.

The hole draw was a debacle in my mind. We got the Dimitrov R16, but would much rather have seen Zverev, Thiem, and the Nadal in the final.:D Instead Fed's 8th Wimby was tarnished by RaoMug, Bendych, and Cryic.:D
 
Meles said:
The hole draw was a debacle in my mind. We got the Dimitrov R16, but would much rather have seen Zverev, Thiem, and the Nadal in the final.:D Instead Fed's 8th Wimby was tarnished by RaoMug, Bendych, and Cryic.:D
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LOL
Can't blame Bendych for reaching a semi. He was lucky Nole was injured.
As for Cilic, he is lucky Muller took him out. Nadal would have eaten current Cilic for breakfast. I thought Cilic would beat Nadal, but looking at how he fared against Muller and SQ, I think Nadal would have cleaned his clock.
 
Sentinel said:
IMO, Fed would have capitalized on Cilic's errors anyway.
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Agree. This was always going to be a lame duck final.

Wayne Ferreira was saying before the final that it made sense to have these two in the final because in his mind the best three players this year have been Nadal, Fed and Cilic :o

Unusual comment imo. I was looking forward to him at AO but really Cilic has been pretty much unsighted this year except F.O. where admittedly he made a great run and some low profile clay.

He really did capitalize on some fortune with the seas parting for him after manic monday.
 
every7 said:
The Rare Phenomenon of Players Calling Trainers for Mental Injury.

Has anyone ever seen this before? I have seen a lot of tennis over the past 20 years and I have never seen this before today's final.

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Never seen it. I had always assumed that a medical timeout was for a physical injury and I suppose each tournament sets its own rules. But calling a time out for nerves, which is undoubtedly what he did for the first time out, is an abuse of the rules.

The trainer and doctor came out during the first time out in the first set (down 0-3) and did not even remove his shoe or examine his foot. Macenroe could not figure out why the doctor did not even open his bag or touch him. At the very least, removal of his shoe and foot examination was called for if it was a legitimate injury time out. (Note: Treatment was performed during the second time out at beginning of third set).

Instead, they hugged him and talked with him. Ridiculous.

Federer said afterwards he did not know what the timeout was about and might have been done just to disrupt his rhythm at 3-0 second set.
 
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the whole blister thing is a facade or atleast did not change the outcome of the match..He was playing in his standards all the 3 sets. If SQ dragged him to 5, no wonder Fed finished him 3, Fed played how it is to be playing slicing and dropping the balls.

Interviewer propping his injury is a joke, Cilic did not even acknowledge Federer in his speech and that is why Fed said 'He fought well' in a mild tone
 
Is there not a rule about not having the trainer for a pre-existing injury? I bet he wasn't sure if he was allowed treatment, which is why they had the chat.

Worth pointing out that Cilic has never retired during a match, so he's more than willing to play through pain.
 
Raul_SJ said:
Never seen it. I had always assumed that a medical timeout was for a physical injury and I suppose each tournament sets its own rules. But calling a time out for nerves, which is undoubtedly what he did for the first time out, is an abuse of the rules.

The trainer and doctor came out during the first time out in the first set (down 0-3) and did not even remove his shoe or examine his foot. Macenroe could not figure out why the doctor did not even open his bag or touch him. At the very least, removal of his shoe and foot examination was called for if it was a legitimate injury time out. (Note: Treatment was performed during the second time out at beginning of third set).

Instead, they hugged him and talked with him. Ridiculous.

Federer said afterwards he did not know what the timeout was about and might have been done just to disrupt his rhythm at 3-0 second set.
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agreed that was ridiculous

plus a blister is not an injury - it was already there in first 5 games where Cilic played normally and was most probably there against Querrey as well :rolleyes:
 
Sentinel said:
Not hating on Cilic but I am quite sickened by how the media is building up the blister thing. It would not have changed a thing considering how Cilic's previous two matches went.

Muller came from a marathon 5 hour match to take Cilic to five sets. Again, SQ took Cilic to five. Cilic made a lot of (pretty shocking if you ask me) UE's in both matches.

I think if Muller had played a shorter match before, he would have beaten Cilic, so Cilic would not have been in the semifinal even.

I think the media is trying to make Cilic look good and heroic by playing up his blister, but is actually making it look like he is making excuses. IMO, Fed would have capitalized on Cilic's errors anyway.
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He was injured by horrible blisters that made his movement worse and he couldnt play his best, and he got very frustrated.
Thats what happened.
And yes it was heroic going through that. Cilic is a really nice person and deserve good press. You seem sour because Cilic gets cred for what he did. Incredible.
Several nasty Fed fans in here. Ewww and again Senti you are one yourself
 
TheGhostOfAgassi said:
He was injured by horrible blisters that made his movement worse and he couldnt play his best, and he got very frustrated.
Thats what happened.
And yes it was heroic going through that. Cilic is a really nice person and deserve good press. You seem sour because Cilic gets cred for what he did. Incredible.
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All cred should go to Roger :D
 
RF-18 said:
All cred should go to Roger :D
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Thats what they think, and he gets a lot of cred in the media.
Its many raising eyebrows how a 36 year old never get tired and stuff, but things like that cannot even get mention in here, will prob get banned or something lol :oops:
 
One occurrence comes to my mind was that of Azarenka taking time out against Sloane Stevens for an anxiety attack during AO 2013 semifinal. She had squandered 5 match points while serving for the match. She was overwhelmed and choked. She latter tried to claim it was a rib injury but the truth was for everyone to see. It calmed her and helped her win the semi and then the title.

Cilic was so broken down that time, he probably would have retired badly. It was more or mental problem caused by a small physical problem. Because once he calmed down, he played well.
 
TheGhostOfAgassi said:
He was injured by horrible blisters that made his movement worse and he couldnt play his best, and he got very frustrated.
Thats what happened.
And yes it was heroic going through that. Cilic is a really nice person and deserve good press. You seem sour because Cilic gets cred for what he did. Incredible.
Several nasty Fed fans in here. Ewww and again Senti you are one yourself
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Once again you are jumping to conclusions and misreading my post.
Perhaps you should honour your promise of blocking me.
You admit that you are speculating on my being sour, and then go running to conclusions. I notice this is quite a trend with you.

Please block out my nasty posts. And report me for nastiness if you please.
 
Sentinel said:
Once again you are jumping to conclusions and misreading my post.
Perhaps you should honour your promise of blocking me.
You admit that you are speculating on my being sour, and then go running to conclusions. I notice this is quite a trend with you.

Please block out my nasty posts. And report me for nastiness if you please.
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You are nasty towards Cilic. Thats pretty obvious reading your post again. I dont get after winning why to talk negative about an injured and crying opponent?
Are you from India? I love India and spent a year all together there and found the people there special. But in here many not so nice Indian posters. Posters that has Krishna as avatar and insults people and players. Its a strange universe this TTW.
 
Boom-Boom said:
agreed that was ridiculous

plus a blister is not an injury - it was already there in first 5 games where Cilic played normally and was most probably there against Querrey as well :rolleyes:
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I was just re-watching the part of the match prior to his breakdown on the changeover.
Please guys have a look at it yourself if you think I am being nasty or hateful.

If you see the service game prior to that at 0-1 in the second set, Federer is returning his serve to him. Then Cilic hits the ball out. So there is no side-ways movement.

I am being told that the blister would hamper sideways movement. That is why I make this point. I also believe he had no aces in the first set. Not sure that a blister would hamper a serve. His first ace, IIRC comes after that episode at 1-1 in the second set.

The highlights I am watching start at 5-3 in the first, so i can't see the whole first set to see if Federer was moving him around. Perhaps someone else could reply on this with actual facts, and not attack me back. I just want to understand this better, I am not trying to take any side.

I see a lot of errors happening when Cilic was not moving. I saw them happening in previous matches, too. My contention is that Cilic was not in as good form as he was last year. But I have not followed Cilic this season, so I can only guess.

At the same time, Cilic has been to a slam final and won it, and he has beaten Fed at that slam, so he's no flake. He would not have cried because the occasion got to him, as some have suggested.

I am only trying to collect facts and understand the situation.

If anyone here feels Cilic had a good chance of winning without that blister, then please give me your facts, don't just hit back.
 
TheGhostOfAgassi said:
You are nasty towards Cilic. Thats pretty obvious reading your post again. I dont get after winning why to talk negative about an injured and crying opponent?
Are you from India? I love India and spent a year all together there and found the people there special. But in here many not so nice Indian posters. Posters that has Krishna as avatar and insults people and players. Its a strange universe this TTW.
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You are just a biased person that is all. The last person I would mock is Cilic who is a very good chap. I am only trying to understand his condition based on this match, and his performance in previous matches.

You are just projecting your thoughts onto me, because perhaps it suits your narrative of all Fed fans being nasty people. So be it. Please continue to think I am nasty, I won't try to change your mind. But now please put me on Ignore, hopefully some other poaster can read my poast and offer his opinions. I really don't wish to waste your time and ruin your mood with my horrible nature.
 
Sentinel said:
You are just a biased person that is all. The last person I would mock is Cilic who is a very good chap. I am only trying to understand his condition based on this match, and his performance in previous matches.

You are just projecting your thoughts onto me, because perhaps it suits your narrative of all Fed fans being nasty people. So be it. Please continue to think I am nasty, I won't try to change your mind. But now please put me on Ignore, hopefully some other poaster can read my poast and offer his opinions. I really don't wish to waste your time and ruin your mood with my horrible nature.
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So why are you liking nasty posts that goes right on insulting others? I think maybe you have been a long time in here, likes to make jokes and troll a lot, that you have become a little blinded, or too into this TTW universe maybe, that some behaviour is totally normal in here bur maybe not face to face. I dont know. Its odd and I dont get it.
 
TheGhostOfAgassi said:
Thats what they think, and he gets a lot of cred in the media.
Its many raising eyebrows how a 36 year old never get tired and stuff, but things like that cannot even get mention in here, will prob get banned or something lol :oops:
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I know you're a bitter, salty troll but I don't think you really want to be accusing Federer of doping or making insinuations especially as a Nadal fan. It's not Federer's fault that Nadal couldn't live up to your expectations at Wimbledon so take a break from here instead of being salty and calling Federer fan fans nasty. You're no salt of the earth yourself so just quit being a hypocrite.:rolleyes:

Gosh, how bitter people can be. Now cosying up to Djokovic's fans after all the nasty things you've said about him. You're a real trip!
 
Federer reached three slam finals and multiple semifinals in the last few years. Was he doping? If anything, it's Nadal who looked done after FO 2014 through 2016. He didn't make a single quarter final in 2016. Yeah, in 2017 he's reaching two slam finals, other finals, winning everything on clay the most DEMANDING surface, running like a spring chicken, o yeah. I didn't hear you complaining then.

If anyone is going to raise eyebrows it certainly isn't Federer. So like I said, don't even go there as a Nadal fan.
 
Sentinel said:
You are just a biased person that is all. The last person I would mock is Cilic who is a very good chap. I am only trying to understand his condition based on this match, and his performance in previous matches.

You are just projecting your thoughts onto me, because perhaps it suits your narrative of all Fed fans being nasty people. So be it. Please continue to think I am nasty, I won't try to change your mind. But now please put me on Ignore, hopefully some other poaster can read my poast and offer his opinions. I really don't wish to waste your time and ruin your mood with my horrible nature.
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Why do you have to justify yourself to that troll? She's calling you out for liking some posts? Have you seen some of the posts she likes on here or some of her comments? She is just bitter and salty. Best ignored. But I'll call her out if she makes any doping accusations or insinuations. She needs to take a break since she's hurting so much. Pathetic troll.
 
Pretty obvious they need a mental health chill out room medical time break, where players can leave the court & get 20 minutes of counseling from a psychologist & CBT practitioner.
 
I don't understand why people are surprised Federer is still playing well after all these years. Let me break it down for you if it isn't already obvious.
A. He is not a baseline grinder/pusher.
B. He is not going to run down lost causes in the name of defense.
C. He is an aggressive, first strike tennis player with a serve that gets him a lot of short points.
D. He is deeply in love with tennis, hence still supremely motivated.
E. Switching racquets was the real life equivalent of going from Shikai to Bankai. That is to say, he removed a handicap.
F. He is extremely talented, extremely!
I'm not saying Nadal or Djokovic aren't great, they are, believe me, I think they are. But the style of tennis they play is more strenuous on the body than Federer's. In fact I'm very impressed that Nadal is still playing so well at 31.
 
Is lidocaine banned? Because there's all kind of blister sprays with lidocaine that dry instantly and the pain is gone.
 
Cilic injured himself when he fell early on, bending his knee too far (watch the slow mo) when retrieving a drop shot.
 
Pagoo said:
Why do you have to justify yourself to that troll? She's calling you out for liking some posts? Have you seen some of the posts she likes on here or some of her comments? She is just bitter and salty. Best ignored. But I'll call her out if she makes any doping accusations or insinuations. She needs to take a break since she's hurting so much. Pathetic troll.
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I have seen some of her comments in this thread itself.
The irony of calling me nasty.
 
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