The real Andy Murray is back!

r2473

G.O.A.T.
Last night, Andy looked like Hewitt after his return

He’ll never get back to the same level as before.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
lmao ofcourse. its always interesting to me to see how his rants/temper tantrums, constantly berating his box on court are viewed/assessed in comparison to others. i feel like people have sort of erased that andy from their minds or something when he was going through his surgery and that whole process. I mean i do like him off court and generally wish the best for him though
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
I mean i do like him off court and generally wish the best for him though
Off court he is way too PC for my taste, literally like a robot that says everything the Establishment wants him to say, but on court he is interesting because he's so talented and such a curmudgeon. Some players seem to hate themselves when playing tennis, like for example Ivanisevic. These trainwrecks are quite fascinating.
 

Red Rick

Talk Tennis Guru
lmao ofcourse. its always interesting to me to see how his rants/temper tantrums, constantly berating his box on court are viewed/assessed in comparison to others. i feel like people have sort of erased that andy from their minds or something when he was going through his surgery and that whole process. I mean i do like him off court and generally wish the best for him though
We never forgot tat Murray

That Murray is the Murray we missed the most
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
lmao ofcourse. its always interesting to me to see how his rants/temper tantrums, constantly berating his box on court are viewed/assessed in comparison to others. i feel like people have sort of erased that andy from their minds or something when he was going through his surgery and that whole process. I mean i do like him off court and generally wish the best for him though
I guess because if it's his box they're people who have chosen to be there? As opposed to Kyrgios where it's people just trying to do their jobs.
 

blablavla

Professional
I guess because if it's his box they're people who have chosen to be there? As opposed to Kyrgios where it's people just trying to do their jobs.
doesn Kyrgios has a coach? or someone to guide him on the fitness side?
I thought he was his own coach and his father accompanies him.
 

Raul_SJ

Legend
It must be so tough coaching a child...
Apparently he is a normal guy off the court.
Great player, yes but his on-court personality is so cringey. The weird faces and tirades and endless whining. Actually more annoying than Kyrgios.
Don't get who the hell finds his "personality" interesting. He should just shut up, forget about his box and play the game.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Apparently he is a normal guy off the court.
Great player, yes but his on-court personality is so cringey. The weird faces and tirades and endless whining. Actually more annoying than Kyrgios.
Don't get who the hell finds his "personality" interesting. He should just shut up, forget about his box and play the game.
On-court coaching is what I meant. And it does exist despite being "not allowed".

I find the opposite, Murray and Kurgios are characters and as such they are not always annoying, but actually amusing. Murray is constantly in a bad mood which makes him appear like a cartoon character, and Kyrgios is just a confused insecure clown. I'd much rather have those on the court than the amazingly dull Medvedev with his ugly tennis.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
I guess because if it's his box they're people who have chosen to be there? As opposed to Kyrgios where it's people just trying to do their jobs.
i mean its not just about nick (who by the way I dont condone his behavior) but i was just thinking about it recently, plus i also happen to listen to a podcast that kind of raised the same points about how i guess there is certain leeway for murray and idk if its because he is part of the big 4, people feel bad for him but there has always been a certain narrative about murray. if im not mistaken ive seen people curse at fans and get code violations. now i dont know if murray received a violation/warning for this, what the rules are in terms of cursing, whether it has to be directed to anyone like a **** you versus this is ****ing horrible or w/e the case may be, tennis rules have never been consistent to begin with. I mean there is no doubt that murray's oncourt behavior is a thing and this isn't a new revelation or something but it's a bit jarring i guess in light of everything to see it celebrated now and even a sign that "he's back".

i do like murray off court though
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
We never forgot tat Murray

That Murray is the Murray we missed the most
its more the media i suppose, the larger tennis fandom, but in general its interesting to see how certain behavior is looked upon and seen as less threatening or w/e the case may be. I mean i have my thoughts and reasons for it but like i said interesting
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Off court he is way too PC for my taste, literally like a robot that says everything the Establishment wants him to say, but on court he is interesting because he's so talented and such a curmudgeon. Some players seem to hate themselves when playing tennis, like for example Ivanisevic. These trainwrecks are quite fascinating.
lol at too pc, i can't take anyone who says that seriously, it basically means i want to live in a world and continue to say ****ty things without people coming for me.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
lol at too pc, i can't take anyone who says that seriously, it basically means i want to live in a world and continue to say ****ty things without people coming for me.
I don't think what you think PC means actually means what you think it means.

In fact I know it.

PC has nothing to do with personal computers in this context.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
How does Introvert feel about Murray's on court behaviour? Is it acceptable?
Well, he has never been fined or penalised for his on-court behaviour whatever some of us may think about it so I think that is an important litmus test of what stands for acceptable behaviour and what does not.
 
lol at too pc, i can't take anyone who says that seriously, it basically means i want to live in a world and continue to say ****ty things without people coming for me.
Agreed, Murray is anything but PC. He's aggressive in speaking for social justice and calling out bad actors (Gimelstob). People often confuse political correctness for any pro-equality or liberal views, which is telling.
Political correctness to me means excessive neutrality or a lack of distinctive views on a topic. It's not necessarily a bad thing for an apolitical person to be PC, like Federer who, in typical Swiss fashion likes to keep careful neutrality on touchy subjects.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Agreed, Murray is anything but PC. He's aggressive in speaking for social justice and calling out bad actors (Gimelstob). People often confuse political correctness for any pro-equality or liberal views, which is telling.
Political correctness to me means excessive neutrality or a lack of distinctive views on a topic. It's not necessarily a bad thing for an apolitical person to be PC, like Federer who, in typical Swiss fashion likes to keep careful neutrality on touchy subjects.
yeah i get what you are saying, and I like andy for how vocal he has been on certain subjects, its one my least favorite things about fed who is my fav, but i also get why he says/or doesnt say certain things but a lot of people apply the too pc crowd to sjws and they spend more time complaining about that and all it tells me is you are upset because this just means you cant continue to say sexist/racist homophobic things without people calling you out.
 

icedevil0289

G.O.A.T.
Well, he has never been fined or penalised for his on-court behaviour whatever some of us may think about it so I think that is an important litmus test of what stands for acceptable behaviour and what does not.
has he really never been fined? i feel like he has had to be fined at some point, but maybe they just never made a big deal about it or wrote an article. i feel like commentators were always like so sorry for the cursing, so sorry folks, atleast that i remember when he used to play. i mean look not that i care about foul language at all, i personally dont think its a big deal to swear on court unless you are directing it to someone and being like **** you, but its a thing in tennis so I'm surprised andy has never been fined before. or maybe not idk
 

BeatlesFan

Talk Tennis Guru
Last night, Andy looked like Hewitt after his return

He’ll never get back to the same level as before.
Sadly this seems true. I watched most of the match and his inability to pivot at the net was shocking. He had no ability to push off to move in either direction. And he had so little pace on his shots. I haven’t watched much of Sandgren, but he can play some good ball.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
has he really never been fined? i feel like he has had to be fined at some point, but maybe they just never made a big deal about it or wrote an article. i feel like commentators were always like so sorry for the cursing, so sorry folks, atleast that i remember when he used to play. i mean look not that i care about foul language at all, i personally dont think its a big deal to swear on court unless you are directing it to someone and being like **** you, but its a thing in tennis so I'm surprised andy has never been fined before. or maybe not idk
He might have received the occasional warning but has never been fined as far as I can recall. His swearing is either directed at himself, the situation or his box. He has never sworn at his opponent or at any of the court officials, stuff which would certainly have merited a fine. Even his famous stare down comment to Rosol in that video from their Munich match did not involve any swearing.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Sadly this seems true. I watched most of the match and his inability to pivot at the net was shocking. He had no ability to push off to move in either direction. And he had so little pace on his shots. I haven’t watched much of Sandgren, but he can play some good ball.
But how much do you really expect from him in only his second ATP singles match since his hip op in January? Prior to that his last ATP singles match was at 2018 Washington (won all 3 of his rounds but was forced to withdraw from the event in a highly emotional scene because of how much pain he was in). He was close with Gasquet in Cincy, closer still with Sandgren and they are both highly in-form players who know how to hit a ball. Let's see how he progresses from there before pronouncing the death sentence on his singles career.
 

toby55555

Hall of Fame
Boring b****r, if he wants cheerleaders why not just pack his box with Stirling Uni kids, it’s not like coaches can give advice.
 

Born_to_slice

Professional
He misses Lendl. His face always look like everything is wrong.

I have to say, his team does look like a bunch of nodding yes men.
 

hipolymer

Hall of Fame
Murray will find his identity threatened what with the 10 atp young guns who have stolen his box-yelling shtick in his absence
 

Poisoned Slice

Bionic Poster
''Damn it, three forehands in a row into the net. My forehand is ****ing ****.

''No, No, our Muzziah. Everything is great. This is right where we need you to be. Mon.''

''**** off.''
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Murray will find his identity threatened what with the 10 atp young guns who have stolen his box-yelling shtick in his absence
They're already pinching his former coaches and team members (Lendl recently with Zverev, Green still with him, Valverdu touring around different players). Where will it all end?? :oops:
 
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bjsnider

Hall of Fame
Jimmy Arias says that, one time, when Arias was sitting near Brad Gilbert during his coaching stint with Murray, The match wasn't going Murray's way, and Murray came over to Gilbert and said "Nice f'ing strategy you f'ing idiot."
 

Fiero425

Hall of Fame
Jimmy Arias says that, one time, when Arias was sitting near Brad Gilbert during his coaching stint with Murray, The match wasn't going Murray's way, and Murray came over to Gilbert and said "Nice f'ing strategy you f'ing idiot."
I'm sure Murray wasn't stupid enough to talk to Lendl like that! Speaking of stupid, Zverev couldn't have been too bright to complain about how Lendl was doing things when under his charge! I knew Ivan would be gone; and quickly! What a tool! Sascha may never reach his potential; and with all those weapons! Just a moron! :rolleyes: :sneaky:
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
Jimmy Arias says that, one time, when Arias was sitting near Brad Gilbert during his coaching stint with Murray, The match wasn't going Murray's way, and Murray came over to Gilbert and said "Nice f'ing strategy you f'ing idiot."
Well if that really happened that was downright unacceptable from Andy and I hope Brad didn't stand for it. Maybe he didn't.
 

bjsnider

Hall of Fame
Well if that really happened that was downright unacceptable from Andy and I hope Brad didn't stand for it. Maybe he didn't.
I wonder if Murray's usual postmatch routine involves a lot of apologies liberally spread around to the whole team.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
I wonder if Murray's usual postmatch routine involves a lot of apologies liberally spread around to the whole team.
His team are usually loyal to him and he's had good relationships with most of his coaches. But to talk like that to Gilbert, his then coach, openly in front of others is beyond the pale and obviously uncharacteristic (otherwise I imagine he would have had great difficulty keeping any which is obviously not the case). Andy was young when he was with Gilbert so maybe he was a bit of an immature hothead back then and he and Gilbert did eventually part.
 

Tmano

Professional
I'm cheering for Andy hoping he will get back to his game soon!
In my opinion, when he was at his top, if he had Nadal's physical strength he could have beaten Djokovic when he was dominating..
 
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bjsnider

Hall of Fame
His team are usually loyal to him and he's had good relationships with most of his coaches. But to talk like that to Gilbert, his then coach, openly in front of others is beyond the pale and obviously uncharacteristic (otherwise I imagine he would have had great difficulty keeping any which is obviously not the case). Andy was young when he was with Gilbert so maybe he was a bit of an immature hothead back then and he and Gilbert did eventually part.
I seem to remember an incident in which he was tearing into Mauresmo to such an extent that she left the player box and went into the back somewhere for awhile.
 

Zara

Legend
Yelling at your box is like the dumbest thing you can do.

Did he ever yell at Lendl?
Do you like any player other than Federer, Chad?

I noticed you are pretty nasty when it comes Nadal, Murray and Djokovic. And here I thought you are all enlightened.

Is it the side effect of being a Fed fan?
 
I’m sure Andy’s been fined on several occasions for swearing on court, the first time was probably that DC tie in 2006.

Yelling at your box is like the dumbest thing you can do.

Did he ever yell at Lendl?
Yes, frequently. Including two epic on court meltdowns at the USO - 2013 vs Stan and 2016 vs Kei. Oh, and there was that totally weird one when Andy was two sets to love up in the Wimbledon final 2016. That’s just a select few. Don’t be fooled by the media circus’ narrative that Andy was a choir boy on court when the Easter Island Statue was being paid $$$$$$$ to be there.

Well if that really happened that was downright unacceptable from Andy and I hope Brad didn't stand for it. Maybe he didn't.
I’m pretty sure moments like this have been a frequent occurrence all through Andy’s career, regardless of who is/isn’t sat in his coaching box. As an Andy fan I prefer it when he just gives himself a bollocking in the third person.
 
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