The reason why Alcaraz struggles on hard court compared to natural surfaces...

GRASScaraz

Hall of Fame
I have watched most of the losses Alcaraz has had on fast HCs. The biggest takeaway is that in all those matches the net was taken away from him. Both clay and grass reward net rushing in a way that HCs don't. On clay you can push the opponent back and approach, and on grass the opponent struggles to hit great shots from defensive positions because they can't move well. On fast HC because the ball always has so much speed on it, it's relatively easy to hit quality passing shots and lobs with just flick. It's also easy to not to be pushed back because the ball is not bouncing that high, and the opponent can't create those many angles on the court.

Another big difference is the effectiveness of drop/short volleys. This is massive imo. On clay the backspin grips the surface, and grass is so low bouncing that the ball just dies. In yesterday's match Alcaraz's drop volleys simply did not grip the surface at all and kept moving towards the opponent and set up easy lobs/passing shots.

In yesterday's match Alcaraz was constructing points pretty well but could not finish them because he got passed, lobbed or had to hit an extremely difficult volley. This drove him insane and basically meant that he did not understand how to build /contruct points. He started trying to hit winners from the baseline, which caused him to miss a ton.

This all comes down to the fundamental instict that the goal of every point is to end it on your own terms. Alcaraz still has zero understanding of how to win a match solely based on errors. The gameplan yesterday _had_ to be to play extremely long rallies and frustrate and tire his opponent like a Djokovic or Medvedev would do, the masters of fast HC. This is something that he will have to develop with time.

Alcaraz atm plays best on surfaces where defending is an _elite_ skill. Contrary to popular belief, only clay court guys actually know how to defend well from the back fence on clay, and almost no one knows how to defend on grass. This is where his offense is unstoppable and his defense is superior purely based on speed and racquet talent. Almost everyone can defend well on HCs and so the game becomes more about consistency and errors , which is not a game he understands well atm.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

G.O.A.T.
Its not that, really.
Carlos's stroke mechanics aren't the most polished yet on Hard Courts; which isn't all that surprising, because for natural feel players such as himself, a robotic, predictable surface like HC takes some years to develop a solid game onto.

Additionally, the serve & return combo could definitely use some help; stop standing behind the baseline like that if you're not guaranteed to make almost every return count the way your idol Rafa used to. Serve should be placed better, especially on the first attempt.

Focus more on the depth & placement of the shots rather than to hit it as hard & spinny as possible.

He'd improve for sure, nothing much to worry about at this stage. If this pattern continues even after he's turned 25, then I'd be worried.
 

nolefam_2024

Bionic Poster
Yes hard courts need robotic consistency. Clay does too but it gives Carlos a lot of time to use his creativity.
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
I don't think so. It's serve return dominance that is most benefitted on hard courts

This guy is dumb standing 20 feet back on returns and missing while he obviously is not the best server although improving.

I am sure a guy who won 4 slams by 21 is dumb and an online warrior who never held a tennis racquet is intelligent in tennis IQ.
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
I have watched most of the losses Alcaraz has had on fast HCs. The biggest takeaway is that in all those matches the net was taken away from him. Both clay and grass reward net rushing in a way that HCs don't. On clay you can push the opponent back and approach, and on grass the opponent struggles to hit great shots from defensive positions because they can't move well. On fast HC because the ball always has so much speed on it, it's relatively easy to hit quality passing shots and lobs with just flick. It's also easy to not to be pushed back because the ball is not bouncing that high, and the opponent can't create those many angles on the court.
How come van de Zandschulp didn't have a problem net rushing?

Botic was 28/35 (80.0%) at the net, out of 165 total points played. It's a very high net approach rate of 21.2%
 

a10best

Legend
- At age 21 Djokovic; made FO & USO semis, lost in 2R at Wimbledon to Marat Safin who lost in semis to Fed and lost in QF in AO. He won AO 1 year earlier for his 1st slam.
- just for fun at age 22, Djokovic (seeded 4th) lost in 3R of FO to Kohlschreiber seeded 29.
- Rafa at age 21 - won Wimbledon after making the finals the previous 2 years, He also made USO semi, then won the AO., lost to Soderling in 4R at FO- (he lost in finals to Roger).
just for fun Rafa from age 25 to 30 didn't get past the 4R at Wimby.

Carlos would probably like Van de Zandschulp needs to go deep to legitamize his win.

I'm going to look at betting more on underdogs against Carlos on fast HC. I thank you guys with a high five for helping me see this.
 

NedStark

Professional
I have watched most of the losses Alcaraz has had on fast HCs. The biggest takeaway is that in all those matches the net was taken away from him. Both clay and grass reward net rushing in a way that HCs don't. On clay you can push the opponent back and approach, and on grass the opponent struggles to hit great shots from defensive positions because they can't move well. On fast HC because the ball always has so much speed on it, it's relatively easy to hit quality passing shots and lobs with just flick. It's also easy to not to be pushed back because the ball is not bouncing that high, and the opponent can't create those many angles on the court.
I have watched most of the losses Alcaraz has had on fast HCs. The biggest takeaway is that in all those matches the net was taken away from him. Both clay and grass reward net rushing in a way that HCs don't. On clay you can push the opponent back and approach, and on grass the opponent struggles to hit great shots from defensive positions because they can't move well. On fast HC because the ball always has so much speed on it, it's relatively easy to hit quality passing shots and lobs with just flick. It's also easy to not to be pushed back because the ball is not bouncing that high, and the opponent can't create those many angles on the court.

Another big difference is the effectiveness of drop/short volleys. This is massive imo. On clay the backspin grips the surface, and grass is so low bouncing that the ball just dies. In yesterday's match Alcaraz's drop volleys simply did not grip the surface at all and kept moving towards the opponent and set up easy lobs/passing shots.

In yesterday's match Alcaraz was constructing points pretty well but could not finish them because he got passed, lobbed or had to hit an extremely difficult volley. This drove him insane and basically meant that he did not understand how to build /contruct points. He started trying to hit winners from the baseline, which caused him to miss a ton.

This all comes down to the fundamental instict that the goal of every point is to end it on your own terms. Alcaraz still has zero understanding of how to win a match solely based on errors. The gameplan yesterday _had_ to be to play extremely long rallies and frustrate and tire his opponent like a Djokovic or Medvedev would do, the masters of fast HC. This is something that he will have to develop with time.

Alcaraz atm plays best on surfaces where defending is an _elite_ skill. Contrary to popular belief, only clay court guys actually know how to defend well from the back fence on clay, and almost no one knows how to defend on grass. This is where his offense is unstoppable and his defense is superior purely based on speed and racquet talent. Almost everyone can defend well on HCs and so the game becomes more about consistency and errors , which is not a game he understands well atm.
According to this logic, Becker, Sampras, Edberg, Federer… would have won (more) FO and struggled at USO.
 

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
Yesterday Alcaraz played very conservatively. He served at more than 90%, but still got broken six times and won first serve points only at 60%. He didn’t hit a single winner in the first set and hit a total of only 21 winners for the match which is very low for him. He also made only 27 UFEs which is also not that high for him. So he didn’t lose the match by spraying the ball as many are saying. He seemed to not be able to hit the ball effectively for winners or hit close to the sidelines as he normally can and his serve was not great.

Botic in contrast was solid from the baseline and came to the net a lot (28/35) efficiently.

It was an off-day for Carlos, but more from lack of power rather than control. Low number of winners including on 1st serves was the problem rather than high number of errors. It was almost like he was lacking the ‘juice’!
 
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beltsman

G.O.A.T.
I have watched most of the losses Alcaraz has had on fast HCs. The biggest takeaway is that in all those matches the net was taken away from him. Both clay and grass reward net rushing in a way that HCs don't. On clay you can push the opponent back and approach, and on grass the opponent struggles to hit great shots from defensive positions because they can't move well. On fast HC because the ball always has so much speed on it, it's relatively easy to hit quality passing shots and lobs with just flick. It's also easy to not to be pushed back because the ball is not bouncing that high, and the opponent can't create those many angles on the court.

Another big difference is the effectiveness of drop/short volleys. This is massive imo. On clay the backspin grips the surface, and grass is so low bouncing that the ball just dies. In yesterday's match Alcaraz's drop volleys simply did not grip the surface at all and kept moving towards the opponent and set up easy lobs/passing shots.

In yesterday's match Alcaraz was constructing points pretty well but could not finish them because he got passed, lobbed or had to hit an extremely difficult volley. This drove him insane and basically meant that he did not understand how to build /contruct points. He started trying to hit winners from the baseline, which caused him to miss a ton.

This all comes down to the fundamental instict that the goal of every point is to end it on your own terms. Alcaraz still has zero understanding of how to win a match solely based on errors. The gameplan yesterday _had_ to be to play extremely long rallies and frustrate and tire his opponent like a Djokovic or Medvedev would do, the masters of fast HC. This is something that he will have to develop with time.

Alcaraz atm plays best on surfaces where defending is an _elite_ skill. Contrary to popular belief, only clay court guys actually know how to defend well from the back fence on clay, and almost no one knows how to defend on grass. This is where his offense is unstoppable and his defense is superior purely based on speed and racquet talent. Almost everyone can defend well on HCs and so the game becomes more about consistency and errors , which is not a game he understands well atm.

Extremely well said. You nailed it. You either have to out-last in baseline rallies OR take time away from your opponent and build points intelligently in that fashion. He doesn't control points well enough to keep them under his initiative.

By the way, your comment about defense on grass - what an underrated skill of Federer that was!
 

Juice4080

Semi-Pro
Also his FH lacked the bite it once had. It seems he's been favoring spin over pace but on HC that doesn't seem like the right thing to prioritize
 
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Daniel Andrade

Hall of Fame
On fast HC because the ball always has so much speed on it, it's relatively easy to hit quality passing shots and lobs with just flick.
The passing shot speed does not depends as much on surface speed, since it passes the other player *BEFORE* hitting the ground. However, if the other player is rushing the net, if the approach is good, surface speed plays a great factor, since the surface speed improves the speed of the approaching shot, making it more difficult to pass.
 

jklos

Professional
Yesterday Alcaraz played very conservatively. He served at more than 90%, but still got broken six times and won first serve points only at 60%. He didn’t hit a single winner in the first set and hit a total of only 21 winners for the match which is very low for him. He also made only 27 UFEs which is also not that high for him. So he didn’t lose the match by spraying the ball as many are saying. He seemed to not be able to hit the ball effectively for winners or hit close to the sidelines as he normally can and his serve was not great.

Botic in contrast was solid from the baseline and came to the net a lot (28/35) efficiently.

It was an off-day for Carlos, but more from lack of power rather than control. Low number of winners including on 1st serves was the problem rather than high number of errors. It was almost like he was lacking the ‘juice’!
Alcaraz only got 60% of his first serves in.
 

Clay lover

Legend
Alcaraz has variety, variety is rewarded on grass and contrary to popular belief on clay too. While everyone can play metronome tennis and outlast Alcaraz on hard it's harder to do so on natural surfaces where he has tools to take advantage of the surface.

His great defence is also helped by clay
 

Racquet_smash

Professional
An underrated aspect is sliding. It's true that grass rewards offence as much as fast hc does but you can defend much better since you can slide almost as much as you can on a clay court. On hard this isn't possible.
 

ChrisJR3264

Hall of Fame
Carlos game is suited for slower surfaces. After the first few days on grass - Wimbledon courts become much slower which is why you saw alcaraz level increase as the tournment went on.

What broke alcaraz out of his slumps? In 2022 to 2023 and 2023 eoy to 2024? Indian wells. The slower than clay court hard courts.

Not saying he can’t win on faster surfaces - but he’s vulnerable. It makes you wonder how many slams nadal would’ve won if officials decided not to slow down conditions at AO, Wimbledon, and US from what they used to be in the past.
 

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
lol. Struggles....FFS.

Of his 15 titles he has 1 Miami and 2 Indian Wells M1000s and 1 USO Grand Slam. I wouldn't call it struggling, no matter what point you are trying to make. For example, Tsitsi actually does struggle on the USO HC, with a loss record starting in 2018 that goes loss in 2nd, 1st, 3rd, 3rd, 1st, 2nd, and 1st up through this year. THAT is struggling. Alcaraz comparatively starting at his first USO in 2021 has been QF, Won, SF, and his 1st round after a QF in AO, winning RG, Winning Wimby, and a silver in the Olympics.
 
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