The Sad Decline of the Little 3

No player including both jannik sinner, carlos alcaraz, and the rest of the next-gen of completely false prophets has successfully surpassed the level of all of the big 3 for the last twenty years.

Mark my words, when the TRUE tennis great finally actually arrives, he will bring balance to the evolution of tennis and he will truly elevate the level of tennis to a level far beyond the big 3.
 
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Tennis Devolution said:
No player including both jannik sinner, carlos alcaraz, and the rest of the next-gen has successfully surpassed the level of all of the big 3 for the last twenty years.

Mark my words, when the TRUE tennis great finally actually arrives, he will bring balance to the evolution of tennis and he will elevate the level of tennis to a level far beyond the big 3.
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I’m still waiting for the lab grown offspring of LeBron and Sue Bird to get coached by Stefan Edberg into the next S&V great.
 
I wouldn't lump Medvedev in with the other 2. Beat a determined Djokovic in a slam final in straights , 5 other Hard Court slam finals pushing Nadal to 5 twice and Sinner to 5. I think Medvedev has been underrated if anything, was a top 2 Hard Courter for a good 3-4 year period.
With that said, his time in the sun appears to be over but I wouldn't consider him a member of The Lost Gen.
 
Honestly, it's a bit harsh to completely write off Medvedev, though I get where you're coming from with the whole 'Lost Gen' thing. Medvedev did beat Djokovic in a major final and has pushed Nadal and Sinner to the brink multiple times. But yeah, his window seems to be closing now. Still, it’s tough to judge the 'next big thing' just yet. We’ve seen guys like Sinner and Alcaraz come close, but nothing quite as dominant as the Big 3. Who knows, maybe that true tennis great is still on the horizon.
 
travlerajm said:
Why use a big word, when a little one will do.
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EKTiger said:
Honestly, it's a bit harsh to completely write off Medvedev, though I get where you're coming from with the whole 'Lost Gen' thing. Medvedev did beat Djokovic in a major final and has pushed Nadal and Sinner to the brink multiple times. But yeah, his window seems to be closing now. Still, it’s tough to judge the 'next big thing' just yet. We’ve seen guys like Sinner and Alcaraz come close, but nothing quite as dominant as the Big 3. Who knows, maybe that true tennis great is still on the horizon.
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Well what is truly crazy is that the "next-gen" competitors of daniil medvedev, stefanos tsitsipas, and alexander zverev are all being outlasted by novak djokovic.

I believe that we just need to be a little more patient because the emergence of the true tennis great is coming soon.
 
I don't think anyone ever expected Medvedev, Zverev, or Tsitsipas to be the true tennis great.
Tennis Devolution said:
Well what is truly crazy is that the "next-gen" competitiors of daniil medvedev, stefanos tsitsipas, and alexander zverev are all being outlasted by novak djokovic.

I believe that we just need to be a little more patient because the emergence of the true tennis great is coming soon.
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Dropshot777 said:
I don't think anyone ever expected Medvedev, Zverev, or Tsitsipas to be the true tennis great.
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Well many people especially those in the completely corrupt tennis media back in 2017 were already talking about medvedev, zverev, and tsitsipas as the "next-gen" who would take over the big 3 as the new greats of the game but that obviously never happened and still to this day has not happened at all.
 
Shaolin said:
Good players but never meant to be the chosen ones.

Too limited in game and/or unlikable.
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So much truth in this. All of them humorless and dour on court, without the games to justify it.

Then you have Carlos come and beat the sht out of everyone while smiling and laughing and hitting tweeners and forehand drop shots. Really couldn't have been a bigger contrast.

Alcaraz after these jerks is like getting Federer after the Sampras and Agassi ice battles
 
Rosstour said:
So much truth in this. All of them humorless and dour on court, without the games to justify it.

Then you have Carlos come and beat the sht out of everyone while smiling and laughing and hitting tweeners and forehand drop shots. Really couldn't have been a bigger contrast.

Alcaraz after these jerks is like getting Federer after the Sampras and Agassi ice battles
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No, carlos alcaraz is not beating "everyone" with a completely losing head-to-head against both rafael nadal and novak djokovic.
 
Rosstour said:
Basketball arms are too long for tennis strokes, and basketball legs are too long for tennis courts.
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Fedal gave us that model of the ultimate tennis build where you needed to not be tall (around 6ft) but you needed a wingspan that was disporportionately long for your height and more proportionate with someone much taller. Alcaraz has that same freaky proportion, but Sinner has since come through and smashed the ideal prototype.

@travlerajm analysed how important Sinner's build was for his game and as I remember a lot of it had to do with specifics like having extremely long humerus.
 
Every year more and more players are coming up. Right now Zed and the team are becoming part of the elder players on tour. Even guys like Alcaraz are no longer the youngsters, we have Fonseca Mensik Fils group now coming through. And even more after them.

It's not easy, the big 3 made what is a very abnormal thing look normal and many only ever saw tennis from big 3 era onwards which itself gives a false impression of what the tennis tour is like when they are not around.
 
forget big 3, none of 89-99 born are even close to Hewitt-Roddick-Safin level

And those talking about big 3 have set such high standards and all that bakwas, let one of the f**** new guys even come close to min ATG level Becker, Edberg, Wilander etc.

And no Sinner, Alcaraz are not even remotely close.
I like Alcaraz style, but he is not better than Hewitt-Roddick-Safin in terms of level yet. He'd be lucky to win 2 slams in any other era except for this worst era.
Sinner is just a little better version of Berdych at max and wouldn't win more than 1 slam with his level in any other era except for this worst era.
 
Subway Tennis said:
Fedal gave us that model of the ultimate tennis build where you needed to not be tall (around 6ft) but you needed a wingspan that was disporportionately long for your height and more proportionate with someone much taller. Alcaraz has that same freaky proportion, but Sinner has since come through and smashed the ideal prototype.

@travlerajm analysed how important Sinner's build was for his game and as I remember a lot of it had to do with specifics like having extremely long humerus.
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I don't like talking about Sinner in such awed tones. If he comes back and is tested but still wins a lot, ok. But if he comes back and dominates absolutely, or falls off a cliff, then we can chalk his unreal run up to the 'bol.

Re his build, he's an ectomorph, so they have longer limbs. I actually noticed this before the doping scandal and theorized that his long limbs and high center of gravity were causing his constant hip/back tweaks, as well as impeding his movement. He is the only ATP player to do that deep knee bend during follow through like you see so often on the WTA (Kerber, Swiatek).
 
Rosstour said:
I don't like talking about Sinner in such awed tones. If he comes back and is tested but still wins a lot, ok. But if he comes back and dominates absolutely, or falls off a cliff, then we can chalk his unreal run up to the 'bol.

Re his build, he's an ectomorph, so they have longer limbs. I actually noticed this before the doping scandal and theorized that his long limbs and high center of gravity were causing his constant hip/back tweaks, as well as impeding his movement. He is the only ATP player to do that deep knee bend during follow through like you see so often on the WTA (Kerber, Swiatek).
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what do you make of his extended humerus? Do you think its a secret weapon? i always thiught it was a very interesting theory because we hadnt seen that many No. 1 players with that limb development.
 
Subway Tennis said:
what do you make of his extended humerus? Do you think its a secret weapon? i always thiught it was a very interesting theory because we hadnt seen that many No. 1 players with that limb development.
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Is it just his humerus, or is it that all of his limbs are long because he's an extreme ectomorph?
 
abmk said:
forget big 3, none of 89-99 born are even close to Hewitt-Roddick-Safin level

And those talking about big 3 have set such high standards and all that bakwas, let one of the f**** new guys even come close to min ATG level Becker, Edberg, Wilander etc.

And no Sinner, Alcaraz are not even remotely close.
I like Alcaraz style, but he is not better than Hewitt-Roddick-Safin in terms of level yet. He'd be lucky to win 2 slams in any other era except for this worst era.
Sinner is just a little better version of Berdych at max and wouldn't win more than 1 slam with his level in any other era except for this worst era.
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Alcaraz won Wimbledon over Djoko in his first final lol. He's in a different league than sinner
 
abmk said:
Sinner, Alcaraz are not even remotely close.
I like Alcaraz style, but he is not better than Hewitt-Roddick-Safin in terms of level yet. He'd be lucky to win 2 slams in any other era except for this worst era.
Sinner is just a little better version of Berdych at max and wouldn't win more than 1 slam with his level in any other era except for this worst era.
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Wow!

This is good. Liking this.
 
abmk said:
forget big 3, none of 89-99 born are even close to Hewitt-Roddick-Safin level

And those talking about big 3 have set such high standards and all that bakwas, let one of the f**** new guys even come close to min ATG level Becker, Edberg, Wilander etc.

And no Sinner, Alcaraz are not even remotely close.
I like Alcaraz style, but he is not better than Hewitt-Roddick-Safin in terms of level yet. He'd be lucky to win 2 slams in any other era except for this worst era.
Sinner is just a little better version of Berdych at max and wouldn't win more than 1 slam with his level in any other era except for this worst era.
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Someone who currently boasts an open streak of 20 consecutive sets won against top ten players, who has won 99 of the last 107 matches played, who on hard since the beginning of 2024 has left only crumbs to his opponents, is certainly a type of profile that in past eras would have struggled to win a slam, a slightly better Berdych. LOL

I imagine that the current circuit put in check by Sinner, in other eras all those present in the current top 10 would have struggled to enter the top 50, and those currently outside the top 10 in other eras would have struggled to enter the top 100.

When they talk about mythologizing the past excessively, you are the perfect example.
 
abmk said:
forget big 3, none of 89-99 born are even close to Hewitt-Roddick-Safin level

And those talking about big 3 have set such high standards and all that bakwas, let one of the f**** new guys even come close to min ATG level Becker, Edberg, Wilander etc.

And no Sinner, Alcaraz are not even remotely close.
I like Alcaraz style, but he is not better than Hewitt-Roddick-Safin in terms of level yet. He'd be lucky to win 2 slams in any other era except for this worst era.
Sinner is just a little better version of Berdych at max and wouldn't win more than 1 slam with his level in any other era except for this worst era.
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Utter nonsense. Thiem peak level on clay and hardcourt is higher than Hewitt and Roddick. Hewitt is the pusher prince just behind King Murray. On grass yes Hewitt and Roddick are better than medvedev,tsitsipas,zverev and Thiem. On clay roddick and hewitt are mugs compared to tsitsipas, zverev and Thiem. Alcaraz is a tier 3 ATG even if irregular and Sinner is also a low tier ATG. Hewitt and Roddick are clearly not ATG. Hewitt is consistent but benefited from a declining sampras in USO 01 final and couldn't beat old Agassi at USO 2002 SF when he was normally leading the H2H by 4-2 at that point. Peak 2001-2002 hewitt and defending USO champion should have won that electric match in USO SF. No excuse. nadal managed to win again Agassi in that thrilling Indian wells 2005. Yes agassi was 3 years older than in 2002 but Nadal was just 19 yo and not 21yo like hewitt and with no experience against agassi.
Concerning Roddick he was only a factor on grass. His achievement is a USO title against clay court specialist Ferrero. In terms of movement and backhand he is the taylor fritz and jack draper of his era with disappointing results in USO final vs Federer just like Fritz is disappointing vs Sinner in USO and YEC Finals
Hewitt is also a tier behind Safin in peak level when he received a hard reality check in AO 2005 F despite winning the first set with the homefield advantage
 
NYTennisfan said:
I wouldn't lump Medvedev in with the other 2. Beat a determined Djokovic in a slam final in straights , 5 other Hard Court slam finals pushing Nadal to 5 twice and Sinner to 5. I think Medvedev has been underrated if anything, was a top 2 Hard Courter for a good 3-4 year period.
With that said, his time in the sun appears to be over but I wouldn't consider him a member of The Lost Gen.
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Interesting way of saying he choked from 2-0 up against Nadal’s corpse and slam final virgin Sinner
 
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