The Serena Apologists Thread

vicnan

Professional
What she did wasn't so bad. She didn't actually shove the ball down the lineswoman's ass. She just threatened she would. It is not the same thing.

She didn't actually invade the lineswoman's private space and repeatedly point and shake the racket threateningly at her, wasn't threatening her with bodily harm, she was just making a point not to mess with her game by calling foot-faults.

Next time, she may go beyond verbal abuse and actually hit the linesperson, first hit the ball at the linesperson and then spank him/her with her racket but even then she doesn't really mean it. You see, Serena is really a very nice person and has never fought with anyone all her life.

She doesn't actually intimidate linespersons who call a foot-fault. The stares, verbal threats and f-bombs are just her way of getting her point across, that she does not foot-fault. She knows exactly how she serves, where her foot is when she serves and she never ever foot-faults. And, no, this is not a strategy to make sure that they do not call foot-faults again on her. Those who called a foot-fault on her are just out to get her.

She did not have to apologize to the lineswoman, to the fans and to the sport, even during the post-match press conference, because she was well within her rights as a tennis player to threaten, oh wait, to have a heart to heart with, any linesperson who makes it difficult for her to win. Any linesperson who comes in the way of her winning is deserving of such heart to heart and should be happy for such treatment from Serena for doing their job. Serena is just being honest and she deserves a big thanks from all of us for keeping it honest.

The ITF, WTA, USTA and even the ATP will come out in support of her behavior. This is exactly what they expect from a former No. 1 player who in fact will soon become the No. 1 player again. These tennis associations are completely shocked that the lineswoman had the temerity to call a foot-fault on Serena, Serena!, how dare she. They will first fire the lineswoman, in case they didn't already fire her yesterday.

Serena is the darling of our sport. All tennis associations, fans and fellow players want all upcoming players -- teens and toddlers alike -- to emulate this sort of on-court behavior. This is exactly in line with the expectations of these tennis associations regarding the dignity and decorum of the sport. They want tennis to follow the precedents set by sports like baseball, basketball, football and soccer. This is the way of the future. Traditional tennis fans should just used to it instead of whining about Serena's conduct.

As apologists for Serena, all this talk of a penalty is premature. No suspension is needed. Even if one is warranted, just suspend her for the next weekend. That shoud be good enough. And if she should be levied a monetary fine, a token fine of $0.50 cents should suffice. And that too not because Serena really did anything wrong, as she made clear during her press conference. She is incapable of doing anything wrong, you see.
 
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Crusher10s

Rookie
Whether you are being sarcastic or sincere, you have absolutely no class, no writing skills and no business posting such tripe on this forum....you need to go crawl back under your rock you freak.
 

carlos djackal

Professional
What she did wasn't so bad. She didn't actually shove the ball down the lineswoman's ass. She just threatened she would. It is not the same thing.

She didn't actually invade the lineswoman's private space and repeatedly point and shake the racket threateningly at her, wasn't threatening her with bodily harm, she was just making a point not to mess with her game by calling foot-faults.

Next time, she may go beyond verbal abuse and actually hit the linesperson, first hit the ball at the linesperson and then spank him/her with her racket but even then she doesn't really mean it. You see, Serena is really a very nice person and has never fought with anyone all her life.

She doesn't actually intimidate linespersons who call a foot-fault. The stares, verbal threats and f-bombs are just her way of getting her point across, that she does not foot-fault. She knows exactly how she serves, where her foot is when she serves and she never ever foot-faults. And, no, this is not a strategy to make sure that they do not call foot-faults again on her. Those who called a foot-fault on her are just out to get her.

She did not have to apologize to the lineswoman, to the fans and to the sport, even during the post-match press conference, because she was well within her rights as a tennis player to threaten, oh wait, to have a heart to heart with, any linesperson who makes it difficult for her to win. Any linesperson who comes in the way of her winning is deserving of such heart to heart and should be happy for such treatment from Serena for doing their job. Serena is just being honest and she deserves a big thanks from all of us for keeping it honest.

The ITF, WTA, USTA and even the ATP will come out in support of her behavior. This is exactly what they expect from a former No. 1 player who in fact will soon become the No. 1 player again. These tennis associations are completely shocked that the lineswoman had the temerity to call a foot-fault on Serena, Serena!, how dare she. They will first fire the lineswoman, in case they didn't already fire her yesterday.

Serena is the darling of our sport. All tennis associations, fans and fellow players want all upcoming players -- teens and toddlers alike -- to emulate this sort of on-court behavior. This is exactly in line with the expectations of these tennis associations regarding the dignity and decorum of the sport. They want tennis to follow the precedents set by sports like baseball, basketball, football and soccer. This is the way of the future. Traditional tennis fans should just used to it instead of whining about Serena's conduct.

As apologists for Serena, all this talk of a penalty is premature. No suspension is needed. Even if one is warranted, just suspend her for the next weekend. That shoud be good enough. And if she should be levied a monetary fine, a token fine of $0.50 cents should suffice. And that too not because Serena really did anything wrong, as she made clear during her press conference. She is incapable of doing anything wrong, you see.





I beg to disagree.........
 

vicnan

Professional
Whether you are being sarcastic or sincere, you have absolutely no class, no writing skills and no business posting such tripe on this forum....you need to go crawl back under your rock you freak.

Please take your medications before posting in the morning.
 

Love Game

Talk Tennis Guru
What she did wasn't so bad. She didn't actually shove the ball down the lineswoman's ass. She just threatened she would. It is not the same thing.

She didn't actually invade the lineswoman's private space and repeatedly point and shake the racket threateningly at her, wasn't threatening her with bodily harm, she was just making a point not to mess with her game by calling foot-faults.

that's pretty stupid.
did you see serena break her racket earlier?
did you hear her shrieking during the match?

did you ever see an out of control tennis player throw a racket? :confused: :???: :?:
 

vicnan

Professional
^^^ As CashDudeHomie took the time to point out, the whole thing was written tongue-in-cheek. It just lists some of the possible reasons Serena's apologists give for her behavior. Even if Crusher and Carlos didn't get it, I'd have thought a GOAT in this forum would. Oh well...
 

kanamit

Hall of Fame
You forgot: Although Serena actually did footfault, it was wrong to penalize her for it. Every other professional tennis player foot faults when serving to stay in a match. It's just that they are never called on it because they aren't black. If Venus Williams were black, she'd be called for a footfault when serving to stay in matches, too.
 
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Also, she only foot faulted because of the pressure of the whole crowd being against her. You see, even though she is American, the US Open crowd hates her because she is black. Only once she is dead will they realize how great she was at tennis and show more of her matches on TV.

(see her mom's comments to the NYPost the day before.)
 

gflyer

Professional
Also, she only foot faulted because of the pressure of the whole crowd being against her. You see, even though she is American, the US Open crowd hates her because she is black. Only once she is dead will they realize how great she was at tennis and show more of her matches on TV.

(see her mom's comments to the NYPost the day before.)

You can not be serious! :D
 

eagle

Hall of Fame
Funny. :)

I thought all the discussions and suggestions for alternatives to come on was interesting. My personal fave is Dynomite! Now, we have a new one. "Shove it down your throat!" How about a "Shove it Down your Throat" Tshirt from Nike. :)

I was hoping she'd offer some sort of apology to the lineswoman, the officials, the audience, and the USTA. Nothing. Very disappointing. Not the kind of behavior little kids should admire in a supposed tennis idol.

r,
eagle
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Great post, OP. I hope those boring well-behaved drones Roger and Rafa and Delpo and Joker are taking notes and intend emulating Serena soon. No hopes for Murray though!
 

Wild Ace

Rookie
She doesn't actually intimidate linespersons who call a foot-fault. The stares, verbal threats and f-bombs are just her way of getting her point across, that she does not foot-fault.


With this statement, you just rationalised the actions of spousal abuse (what, cos it's their way of expressing love???!?) and all violence crimes committed by every psycho and sociopaths. I'm glad (and hope) you are not in a position of judicial or crime-prevention agencies. That's some pretty ****ed up weak pillar of morality you've got there buddy.

It's almost like saying i punched, kicked and whalloped your ass cos it's different ways of me showing that i care about you. So you have to forgive me.
 

Fedace

Banned
Holy Cow,, Tennis Channel JUST replayed the entire incident with NO blips with No censors.
Actually Serena DID apologize while standing next to the ump chair. She said " I am sorry if i said a bad word but lots of people say bad words" then " she said,,i didn't say i would Kill you" .......
 

eagle

Hall of Fame
Holy Cow,, Tennis Channel JUST replayed the entire incident with NO blips with No censors.
Actually Serena DID apologize while standing next to the ump chair. She said " I am sorry if i said a bad word but lots of people say bad words" then " she said,,i didn't say i would Kill you" .......

Fedace,

I don't have Tennis Channel. :(

She was apologizing for using a bad word but did she apologize to the lineswoman or the officials for her behavior? Even a hint of remorse?

r,
eagle
 

Fedace

Banned
Fedace,

I don't have Tennis Channel. :(

She was apologizing for using a bad word but did she apologize to the lineswoman or the officials for her behavior? Even a hint of remorse?

r,
eagle

NO,,, no hint of remorse. she just said it to back track from what she did since she saw the default coming.... it was like a 1 second flash sorry.....
 

Sentinel

Bionic Poster
Holy Cow,, Tennis Channel JUST replayed the entire incident with NO blips with No censors.
Actually Serena DID apologize while standing next to the ump chair. She said " I am sorry if i said a bad word but lots of people say bad words" then " she said,,i didn't say i would Kill you" .......

That's no apology, chaps. THat BUT portion negates the apology completely.
 

Wild Ace

Rookie
Fedace,

I don't have Tennis Channel. :(

She was apologizing for using a bad word but did she apologize to the lineswoman or the officials for her behavior? Even a hint of remorse?

r,
eagle

Watch the post-match presscon. A journalist asked if she would like to apologise to the lineslady hereby creating a diplomatic way out for Serena. But i swear to God, she was too thick to take the hint! Absolutely no remorse, she says players yell (this is not just yelling, this is outright verbal abuse cum assault) at officials all the time and they dont apologise (so why should she).


And giving the excuse she "hasn't been in a fight before" or not saying she would "kill" her doesn't remove the fact she did assault the official.

Nor is saying that she's "sorry for saying those bad words" if she refused to offer them to the exact same person she has offended, that is of course if she was really sincere to begin with....
 
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film1

Semi-Pro
I think what Serena said was fine.
The Umpire should have stepped in faster and they needed stonger presence in the chair.
All Serena said was, I am so mad I wish I could put this tennis ball in your mouth to shut you up.
It was no big deal and if Serena were white no one would have even noticed.
 

Char

Rookie
That's no apology. That so-called apology is irrelevant anyway. It would be nice and it would show a bit of class and respect for the sport if Serena would apologize for her actions, without any "but" in there, however its an action after the fact. An apology does not get you out of a warning or a point penalty. That's not how the rules work, of course, so Serena's so-called apology on court (I agree it is not one with the "but" in there) changes nothing.

A player cannot threaten a linesperson or bully or intimidate them to the point where it may interfere with another call. That goes far beyond the antics we have seen from other players in the past who might call a ref a name or be insulting (and some of those incidents also got a warning and/or a point penalty, even a default).

Serena made a threat (doesnt matter that she doesnt mean it literally), took a hostile stance and directly engaged the linesperson in a staredown with hostile posturing. She then pointed at her and said some more words to her directly as she was approaching the chair and further engaged her when she returned, before following her to talk to the officials the second time she approached the chair. That's far, far too aggressive and easily warrants a second warning and point penalty, obviously, given that she already had a warning.

She deserves more punishment beyond that, in my opinion. She's lucky if this is the end of it.

There is no apologizing for Serena. Her actions were shameful and that's putting it nicely.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
I think what Serena said was fine.
The Umpire should have stepped in faster and they needed stonger presence in the chair.
All Serena said was, I am so mad I wish I could put this tennis ball in your mouth to shut you up.
It was no big deal and if Serena were white no one would have even noticed.
The Race Card appears - what a shock. Not!

Did you see the shaking of the racket in a threatening manner? Her behavior has no place in tennis. I don't care how many wins and how many millions she has - she's pathetic.

Like the WTA, given the sad state of its product, needed this. Another hole in the head.
 

film1

Semi-Pro
You can clearly see the lines person was making the situation worse by maintaining direct eye contact during the scolding and not looking down at the ground in a submissive manner.
 

West Coast Ace

G.O.A.T.
You can clearly see the lines person was making the situation worse by maintaining direct eye contact during the scolding and not looking down at the ground in a submissive manner.
I get it, you're a comedian! Too funny. The old 'looked at me the wrong way' excuse. Too funny!
 

vicnan

Professional
You can clearly see the lines person was making the situation worse by maintaining direct eye contact during the scolding and not looking down at the ground in a submissive manner.

ROFL. That's the funniest stuff I've read this morning.
 

vicnan

Professional
That's no apology. That so-called apology is irrelevant anyway. It would be nice and it would show a bit of class and respect for the sport if Serena would apologize for her actions, without any "but" in there, however its an action after the fact. An apology does not get you out of a warning or a point penalty. That's not how the rules work, of course, so Serena's so-called apology on court (I agree it is not one with the "but" in there) changes nothing.

A player cannot threaten a linesperson or bully or intimidate them to the point where it may interfere with another call. That goes far beyond the antics we have seen from other players in the past who might call a ref a name or be insulting (and some of those incidents also got a warning and/or a point penalty, even a default).

Serena made a threat (doesnt matter that she doesnt mean it literally), took a hostile stance and directly engaged the linesperson in a staredown with hostile posturing. She then pointed at her and said some more words to her directly as she was approaching the chair and further engaged her when she returned, before following her to talk to the officials the second time she approached the chair. That's far, far too aggressive and easily warrants a second warning and point penalty, obviously, given that she already had a warning.

She deserves more punishment beyond that, in my opinion. She's lucky if this is the end of it.

There is no apologizing for Serena. Her actions were shameful and that's putting it nicely.

That's a great post.
 

film1

Semi-Pro
If the lines person would have admittied she was wrong the Umpire could have changed the call.
I think Serena would have pulled out the match because Kim looked like she could fold any minute.
 

vicnan

Professional
And if she should be levied a monetary fine, a token fine of $0.50 cents should suffice. And that too not because Serena really did anything wrong, as she made clear during her press conference.

$10,000 fine for tirade + $500 fine for racket abuse == less than 50 cents for Serena who makes over $15 million/yr.
 

drwood

Professional
If the lines person would have admittied she was wrong the Umpire could have changed the call.
I think Serena would have pulled out the match because Kim looked like she could fold any minute.

yeah, folding like a tent up a set and two points from the match....

fail
 

Char

Rookie
If the lines person would have admittied she was wrong the Umpire could have changed the call.

If she admitted that she was wrong about what? The call? Even Serena said that she thought it was indeed a foot fault. No angle we have seen shows the call to be wrong. Its inconclusive from our angle. Making the call itself? If the lines person was wrong about actually calling a foot fault when she saw it, then the rules have to be changed.

Either way she did no wrong. Even if she made a mistake, it still wasnt "wrong". It would in that case simply be a bad call, but she wouldnt have known she was wrong and therefore has nothing to admit - unless you are trying to imply that it was not a foot fault and that there was an intent by the lines person to influence the outcome of the match by knowingly making an incorrect call? That's quite a stretch.

Dont try and deflect the blame onto the lines person. Even after the foot fault call, it was 15-40. Serena lost the match on her own terms by choosing to go after the lines person while already having had a warning.

I think Serena would have pulled out the match because Kim looked like she could fold any minute.

Not in the match I saw. Kim was playing too well and looking very, very strong mentally with her game level high. I'd have been willing to bet she would have broken that game, foot fault or not, but, we'll never know now.
 

Objective Danny

Hall of Fame
"Apologize!" "What you talkin' bout Willis?"

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Speranza

Hall of Fame
Vicnan, brilliant first post in the thread.

Humour at its best :) Best post of the whole incident on this forum.
 
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