The Shape Of Things To Come: Denis Shapovalov!

raph6

Semi-Pro
I watched the match and thought that Denis played well. His slice has improved a lot, and he is way more patient. It’s disappointing that it didn’t pay off today but really, he is on the right track and I hope this defeat won’t affect his confidence. Had he put the forehand attack at 5/4 0-30 for him in the second set, the match would have probably gone to a 3rd set with him serving first. And then it could have turned well for him. Who knows. It played on a few points.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
I watched the match and thought that Denis played well. His slice has improved a lot, and he is way more patient. It’s disappointing that it didn’t pay off today but really, he is on the right track and I hope this defeat won’t affect his confidence. Had he put the forehand attack at 5/4 0-30 for him in the second set, the match would have probably gone to a 3rd set with him serving first. And then it could have turned well for him. Who knows. It played on a few points.
I agree with that, starting to see definite improvements in Shapo's game, matter of time now before he gets titles.
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
On this particular day, he was definitely better than FAA, playing Zverev ....
Both, however, need smaller swings and to come more to the net.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
I agree with that, starting to see definite improvements in Shapo's game, matter of time now before he gets titles.
He’s finally gotten back to the revaluation in his form we saw at Miami. Great doubles this Summer as well. Shapo was awesome in his Laver Cup doubles match. So many good things right now, but the scars to his serve game will take time to fully heal.:confused:
 

Joseph_K

Professional
A tough singles draw for Shapo at next week's Shanghai Masters where he will face Frances Tiafoe in the first round, with the winner to play top seed Novak Djokovic. In the doubles event Shapo and Rohan Bopanna take on the Russians Karen Khachanov and Andrey Rublev in the first round.
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
Shanhai 2019

FAA: Q, Tsitsipas
Shapo: Tiafoe, Djokovic
Much easier for FAA, hopefully Shapo gets to Djoko to continue to learn
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
Wow, he just can't cut a break. Winston-Salem and his most recent 250 SF were his best chances for a final. He won't get another one this year. At best here, he'll get to round two. That must be really depressing for him. He'll end the year lower than where he began. A learning experience, indeed.
 

James P

Hall of Fame
Wow, he just can't cut a break. Winston-Salem and his most recent 250 SF were his best chances for a final. He won't get another one this year. At best here, he'll get to round two. That must be really depressing for him. He'll end the year lower than where he began. A learning experience, indeed.
It's not the world's greatest tourney, but he's playing in Stockholm in 2 weeks. He's currently the expected fourth seed behind Fognini, Pouille, and Fritz, with Verdasco, Albot, and Opelka right behind him. Del Potro also plans on returning for that one. He's got a shot there.
 

Max G.

Legend
He better make a convincing WATLYNM sales pitch! ;)

The year overall was damaged by the period between Miami and Canada where he could barely win a match. Good draws and bad draws come and go, and you've got to be ready to take advantage of the good ones you get; he definitely didn't do that in the middle of this year.

I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of changes he can make in the off-season. It feels incredible that Youzhny could make such a meaningful impact on his game in such a short time - it feels like since Shapo's started working with him, he's been consistent (not to jinx his first round in Shanghai...) So if Youzhny actually gets a good month and a half to train Shapovalov, he might do so much more.

But off-season isn't here yet, still Shanghai, Stockholm, and Paris to go!
 

Max G.

Legend
Watching the start of his match vs Tiafoe. Shapo's clearly using the slice a lot. Slice returns, some slice approaches.

Tiafoe's first service game went to some ridiculous number of deuces, with Tiafoe saving eight BPs. Mix of excellent play and sloppy play off both sides - i thought Shapo was maybe a bit too *passive* in some points, which is unusual, but on the other hand on other points he made some errors, so I guess he's trying to find the right mix. Shapo held at 30, and then it's back on Tiafoe's serve, another deuce game with another saved BP...

Shapo's clearly going to be able to get into lots of Tiafoe service games, he just need to be a bit more clutch and convert some. Hopefully he avoids any sloppy service games of his own.

[edit] Speaking of sloppy service games, Shapo misses *seven out of eight* first serves serving at 1-2, throws in three double faults, and holds anyway.

No escape for Tiafoe in his third service game though - Shapo breaks at 15.

Shapo rides that break to win the first set. Doesn't face any break points, despite having that one super sloppy service game and a low first serve percentage. Shapo's second serve has been really heavy, Tiafoe having trouble with it, so despite the double faults it's been effective.
 
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James P

Hall of Fame
6 DFs and still didn't give up a break point chance. He's got some kinks to work out, but is still playing at a pretty high level.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Looks like Shapo has quickly dumped another effective coach. Is this Shapo Momma's doing?:mad:
Is Youzhny fired or is he on a limited travel arrangement with Shapo for the rest of 2019? When he came on board it was publically announced to be a trial arrangement so maybe this absence is part of the trial to see if Shapo flies on his own in between the slams???
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Is Youzhny fired or is he on a limited travel arrangement with Shapo for the rest of 2019? When he came on board it was publically announced to be a trial arrangement so maybe this absence is part of the trial to see if Shapo flies on his own in between the slams???
Article yesterday leaves open rejoining on European swing:
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It looks far from firm.:( I loved Shapo's explosiveness in doubles at Laver Cup and Youzhny really could help him as his game naturally leads to opportunities to close at net where Shapo has been erratic until working with the Colonel.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
Article yesterday leaves open rejoining on European swing:
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It looks far from firm.:( I loved Shapo's explosiveness in doubles at Laver Cup and Youzhny really could help him as his game naturally leads to opportunities to close at net where Shapo has been erratic until working with the Colonel.
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If this article is any indication Mommy has sent another potential great coach packing. She just won't surrender control, and Denis doesn't get that she can't really take him where he wants to go. Shame.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
If this article is any indication Mommy has sent another potential great coach packing. She just won't surrender control, and Denis doesn't get that she can't really take him where he wants to go. Shame.
We'll know in Stockholm what is going on. Shapo look really good in doubles today.:giggle:
 

Pmasterfunk

Semi-Pro
I didn't catch the whole match, but was a bit disappointed in what I saw from Breakfast at Denni's. He kinda played straight into Djoko's hands. I mean Djokovic hit some really good returns and solid passing shots, but Shapo doesn't hit hard enough to trouble Djokovic (who does, really? DelPo on the forehand I guess?), doesn't transition to net efficiently enough to pressure him, and doesn't have enough variety to dink him out. Second serve points won were dismal, he may as well pull a MadShap and hit 2 first serves.
 

Ironwood

Professional
Just caught a little of the second set. Djokovic has been playing well lately, and in that form Shapo doesn't have the consistency to push him.
 

raph6

Semi-Pro
I feel like Denis was just trying to be consistent against Novak today, it’s a long term improvement.
 

prairiegirl

Hall of Fame
As much as I enjoy Denis' game, and his passion for, and commitment to what he does, I wonder if he really has what it takes to be in the upper echelons of the game. Of course, I think the answer won't be known for a few years yet, but I do wonder. At 20 years old, he's the only player of his age not to be in a final. He's the only one without a title. I don't know if that means anything yet, but it makes me wonder. I can't understand why he sticks to diligently to his mom as coach when it's clear she can't help him get the results he ultimately wants. But, that's what it is. They have some kind of symbiotic relationship going on, and he can't let go, and she doesn't want to. Reminds me of Andy and Judy Murray, but he eventually realized he needed to move beyond her. Will Denis do the same? If not, I have to wonder if he'll always just be on the edge of a really brilliant career that might have been. Too early to say of course, but I can't help but think this when I watch other young players of his age. It will be interesting to see what he can do in Stockholm, and if Youzhny is with him, or not. Also, the NextGen finals might tell us something too.
 

Joseph_K

Professional
Judy Murray was never the official coach of either Andy or Jamie, although she did play an important role in their early development as tennis players and instilled her love for that sport (and other sports) in them at an early age. But she was always aware that they would both need more than she alone could offer them if they were to realize their full potential on the court, so Judy and William Murray (the boys' father) acted accordingly, not least from a financial point of view at a time when neither of them had much money.

Both parents also ensured that the boys could continue to enjoy the sport in the knowledge that they didn't have to play it if they didn't want to, and that their continuing love and support would not be conditional on how their sons might perform on the court.

Reminds me of Andy and Judy Murray, but he eventually realized he needed to move beyond her.
 
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raph6

Semi-Pro
As much as I enjoy Denis' game, and his passion for, and commitment to what he does, I wonder if he really has what it takes to be in the upper echelons of the game. Of course, I think the answer won't be known for a few years yet, but I do wonder. At 20 years old, he's the only player of his age not to be in a final. He's the only one without a title. I don't know if that means anything yet, but it makes me wonder. I can't understand why he sticks to diligently to his mom as coach when it's clear she can't help him get the results he ultimately wants. But, that's what it is. They have some kind of symbiotic relationship going on, and he can't let go, and she doesn't want to. Reminds me of Andy and Judy Murray, but he eventually realized he needed to move beyond her. Will Denis do the same? If not, I have to wonder if he'll always just be on the edge of a really brilliant career that might have been. Too early to say of course, but I can't help but think this when I watch other young players of his age. It will be interesting to see what he can do in Stockholm, and if Youzhny is with him, or not. Also, the NextGen finals might tell us something too.
Offensive players take more time to mature because offense is more complicated than defense. Tsitsipas was also in his 20 last year when he won his first title (at Stockholm by the way). I think Shapovalov is improving currently, let’s see where these improvements will take him
 

Joseph_K

Professional
Shapo is the no. 4 seed at next week's Stockholm Open in the Swedish capital and thus the beneficiary of a first-round bye. He will play either the Hungarian Martin Fucsovics or a qualifier in the second round. The Canadian has not entered the doubles event in Stockholm.
 
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fundrazer

Legend
Offensive players take more time to mature because offense is more complicated than defense. Tsitsipas was also in his 20 last year when he won his first title (at Stockholm by the way). I think Shapovalov is improving currently, let’s see where these improvements will take him
If/When he finds the right balance between offense and defense he will be contending for slams. Might need a lot of work on his return game strategy though.
 

Sparlingo

Hall of Fame
Offensive players take more time to mature because offense is more complicated than defense. Tsitsipas was also in his 20 last year when he won his first title (at Stockholm by the way). I think Shapovalov is improving currently, let’s see where these improvements will take him
Right. If you go to the net often, for example, and aren't very profinent there at a young age then you lose disproportionately until you become more proficient. Same goes with other parts of a more offensive game compared to contemporaries.
The player who works on an all court game for the long term eventually wins in the long term.
 

Pmasterfunk

Semi-Pro
Offensive players take more time to mature because offense is more complicated than defense. Tsitsipas was also in his 20 last year when he won his first title (at Stockholm by the way). I think Shapovalov is improving currently, let’s see where these improvements will take him
I'm honestly kinda shocked at how much Tsits has improved since he and Dennis played at the AO in 2018. Tsits looked like an amateur then, totally outclassed, and less than 2 years later he's in the top 10.
 
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Sparlingo

Hall of Fame

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Verdasco withdrew from Stockholm and is replaced by Stebe, that’s a big opportunity for Denis now !
My draw sheet shows Shapo’s 2R opponent will be either qualifier Popyrin or LL Otte.

Stebe qualified after two nice wins (Chung and aforementioned Otte). He plays Brayden Schnur.
 
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