The Shocking Truth As To Why The Next Gen Players Can't Win A Grand Slam Title

Mainad

Bionic Poster
The veterans have a head start in that type of play, so they keep their advantage.
The problem is that the younger players can no longer take advantage of areas where they are superior, due to the new equipment, which does not reward power shots.

The game has degenerated as a result.

Then they need to adapt just as the great players of old had to do.
 

Dan Lobb

G.O.A.T.
Then they need to adapt just as the great players of old had to do.
You miss the point...sure they can adapt and survive, but they cannot get the breakthrough to the top of the game during their early twenties which was common in the older wood era. The advantages for that young age group of power play is no longer any advantage in the downgraded style of play which accompanies the new equipment and current playing surfaces. The game has degenerated to the point where the best athletes go to other sports where their capabilities earn rewards.

Why should they waste their young years in tennis?
 

Start da Game

Hall of Fame
Oh and who in the Raonic era or the era of players post the Raonic era are better than players in Fed's era? Federer's era was much stronger plus he had two goat contenders plus several atg's 6 years younger chasing his tail almost his entire career.

Djokodal have had the luxury of facing absolute pieces of trash from all of the generations of players that followed them but also a bunch of injured contemporaries (Delpo, Murray, Wawrinka etc.)

basically the point is that the promising youngsters did not get the same kind of help which fed and his pigeons got in the early-mid 2000s.....do you think safin, hewitt etc. were better returners than agassi? of course not......they just benefited from slowed down surfaces and started scoring victories over aging legends like pete......i am asking the same again......why din't the administrators of the sport just give the youngsters the help they need desperately in and around 2014 or 2015? all they needed was some fast courts at grandslams to be able to compete against big-3 and there would have been a significant difference in the outcome of slam counts today......only injury free nadal on clay will be relevant in such circumstances......starting from alexander dolgopolov, raonic, janowicz, dimitrov to the current gen medvedev, tsitsipas, zverev, shapovalov, felix etc. would all have enjoyed facing big-3 on faster surfaces......chances of upsets would manifold.....us open plays slightly faster than aus open and you can see fed's and djokovic's results there over the last 15 years......how much have they won there? only nadal has been successful there due to healthy bounce on the surface despite being a fast surface......i think only nadal's greatness on clay would transcend generations, i am not quite convinced that the other two would have had anywhere near their current results in any other era......so just speed up the surfaces, you will see the results immediately......homogenization has been taken way too far than needed......
 

TearTheRoofOff

G.O.A.T.
It's not even just the fact that they 'are winning' in and of itself, as a pure statistic. Watch the tennis; it's clear as day to me that it's well below the level they showed in less successful periods in their careers, even if it's still good enough to merit some success (think Fedr).
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
basically the point is that the promising youngsters did not get the same kind of help which fed and his pigeons got in the early-mid 2000s.....do you think safin, hewitt etc. were better returners than agassi? of course not......they just benefited from slowed down surfaces and started scoring victories over aging legends like pete......i am asking the same again......why din't the administrators of the sport just give the youngsters the help they need desperately in and around 2014 or 2015? all they needed was some fast courts at grandslams to be able to compete against big-3 and there would have been a significant difference in the outcome of slam counts today......only injury free nadal on clay will be relevant in such circumstances......starting from alexander dolgopolov, raonic, janowicz, dimitrov to the current gen medvedev, tsitsipas, zverev, shapovalov, felix etc. would all have enjoyed facing big-3 on faster surfaces......chances of upsets would manifold.....us open plays slightly faster than aus open and you can see fed's and djokovic's results there over the last 15 years......how much have they won there? only nadal has been successful there due to healthy bounce on the surface despite being a fast surface......i think only nadal's greatness on clay would transcend generations, i am not quite convinced that the other two would have had anywhere near their current results in any other era......so just speed up the surfaces, you will see the results immediately......homogenization has been taken way too far than needed......


1. Hewitt is up there with Agassi at prime returning wise. better defensive returner than agassi. Agassi was better offensively. surfaces were hardly slow in 99-01. Hewitt was already returning Sampras' serve well in 99 and obviously 00.
Besides Hewitt preferred surfaces to be atleast decent speed for his counter-punching.

2. safin of course is a worse returner than agassi overall, but that day in the USO 00 final, he was in the absolute zone and returned Sampras' serve better than agassi did in a slam match. AO of course is a slower surface and Safin was able to return Sampras' serve well in AO 02. he's a little better on slower HC than on faster HC (3 Paris titles, 1 Madrid title+YEC semi in 04 losing to fed. doesn't make that big a difference to him though.

3. med got a fast enough surface in AO 22. choked badly vs the worst slam winning level (for whole slam) since Johansson AO 02.
Zverev and Raonic got their chances vs a not so good Djokovic on the quick AO surface in 2021. they failed miserably.
Raonic choked vs a below par Djokovic even in Cincy 20 in Bo3, let alone Bo5.
Yes, admins... shouldn't have slowed down surfaces. But that affected likes of tsonga, delpo, berdych most. not the next 2 useless gens.
these gens (lost and so called next gen) are useless compared to fed's generation, regardless of how much one (hint, hint) may delude himself

4. AO was faster than USO in 17,18,21 atleast. fed struggled there after USO 15 because it is late in the season (hampered by injury in 16/17/19). Djoko won in 18, lost coz of Stan in 19, default in 20 and CYGS pressure/late in season 21.
When USO was clearly faster than AO, fed won 5 in a row and made a 6th final (2004-09). also USO 11 semi playing much better than nadal in the final. and 15 final without losing a set.

5. in other generations, nadal would be struggling on grass/USO far more than he has. consistent bounce at Wimbledon on joke draws at USO have helped him considerably.

so in summary big chunk of your post is a load of utter tripe and falsehoods.
 
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1. Hewitt is up there with Agassi at prime returning wise. better defensive returner than agassi. Agassi was better offensively. surfaces were hardly slow in 99-01. Hewitt was already returning Sampras' serve well in 99 and obviously 00.
Besides Hewitt preferred surfaces to be atleast decent speed for his counter-punching.

2. safin of course is a worse returner than agassi overall, but that day in the USO 00 final, he was in the absolute zone and returned Sampras' serve better than agassi did in a slam match. AO of course is a slower surface and Safin was able to return Sampras' serve well in AO 02. he's a little better on slower HC than on faster HC (3 Paris titles, 1 Madrid title+YEC semi in 04 losing to fed. doesn't make that big a difference to him though.

3. med got a fast enough surface in AO 22. choked badly vs the worst slam winning level (for whole slam) since Johansson AO 02.
Zverev and Raonic got their chances vs a not so good Djokovic on the quick AO surface in 2021. they failed miserably.
Raonic choked vs a below par Djokovic even in Cincy 20 in Bo3, let alone Bo5.
Yes, admins... shouldn't have slowed down surfaces. But that affected likes of tsonga, delpo, berdych most. not the next 2 useless gens.
these gens (lost and so called next gen) are useless compared to fed's generation, regardless of how much one (hint, hint) may delude himself

4. AO was faster than USO in 17,18,21 atleast. fed struggled there after USO 15 because it is late in the season (hampered by injury in 16/17/19). Djoko won in 18, lost coz of Stan in 19, default in 20 and CYGS pressure/late in season 21.
When USO was clearly faster than AO, fed won 5 in a row and made a 6th final (2004-09). also USO 11 semi playing much better than nadal in the final. and 15 final without losing a set.

5. in other generations, nadal would be struggling on grass/USO far more than he has. consistent bounce at Wimbledon on joke draws at USO have helped him considerably.

so in summary big chunk of your post is a load of utter tripe and falsehoods.

in summary, basically you are hellbent in proving that fraud's pigeons are better than any future prospect without proper reasoning....there is no point in arguing with someone like you who has his head permanently inside fraud arse and simply can't pull it out.....
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
in summary, basically you are hellbent in proving that fraud's pigeons are better than any future prospect without proper reasoning....there is no point in arguing with someone like you who has his head permanently inside fraud arse and simply can't pull it out.....

I know the 2 gens (Rao-Nishi-Dimi gen and Med-Tsit-Zverev gen) are useless based on seeing several years of them.
I didn't talk about Alcaraz-FAA-Sinner gen (2000+ born) because they are still young.
no point in arguing with an utter and complete fraud like you who praises YEC when sampras winning it and calls in exho because nadal can't win it.
your head is so far in fed's hate that its morally bankrupted you.
I only pointed what I did for others to see, not because I expect any sort of sane/near realistic/honest evaluation from clueless about da game. :)

Oh and obvious you got crushed by the actual realistic points I mentioned in there. No response to those. :-D :-D
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I mean couldn't it just mean these guys are really really really good? Its not like any other 35 years olds are seriously competing?
Well, we have Federer who couldn't win much in his 30's due to elite guys in their 20's, so it's not just that Djokodal are too good.
 

Poisoned Slice

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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Numbers don't lie. The only slams the 90's dudes have won were either asterisked or helped big time by weakened competition and the guy who managed to get to no.1 only did it because of politics and stayed there because of politics.

Easily the worst batch of players of all time and there really is no contest here.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
You miss the point...sure they can adapt and survive, but they cannot get the breakthrough to the top of the game during their early twenties which was common in the older wood era. The advantages for that young age group of power play is no longer any advantage in the downgraded style of play which accompanies the new equipment and current playing surfaces. The game has degenerated to the point where the best athletes go to other sports where their capabilities earn rewards.

Why should they waste their young years in tennis?

Equipment changes over time. Players have to learn how to handle what's available and learn or adapt their styles accordingly. Players of the past have had to deal with equipment changes.
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Garbage article.

Utter nonsense.

They wanna make us believe it's polyester and Djokovic and Nadal being GODS. Nonsense.

The talent pool among men's juniors had shrunk DRAMATICALLY in recent years. Already LostGen was terrible. Dimitrov, Nishikori, Thiem, Raonic: that's the best they had... Not enough by far, either in quantity or quality.

Then NextGen which is also thin on great talent. Not to mention the mental midgetry that plagues these kids. They reach the 5th set - proving they can keep up with aging Nadal and Djokovic - but then turn to jelly in key moments.

Worst generation ever.

Correction. Worst generations ever.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Garbage article.

Utter nonsense.

They wanna make us believe it's polyester and Djokovic and Nadal being GODS. Nonsense.

The talent pool among men's juniors had shrunk DRAMATICALLY in recent years. Already LostGen was terrible. Dimitrov, Nishikori, Thiem, Raonic: that's the best they had... Not enough by far, either in quantity or quality.

Then NextGen which is also thin on great talent. Not to mention the mental midgetry that plagues these kids. They reach the 5th set - proving they can keep up with aging Nadal and Djokovic - but then turn to jelly in key moments.

Worst generation ever.

Correction. Worst generations ever.
Didn't expect this from you, considering that you were an adept of the GAS theory.
 

UnderratedSlam

G.O.A.T.
Didn't expect this from you, considering that you were an adept of the GAS theory.
I don't expect you to understand why GAS has nothing to do with the talent pool shrinking...

GAS isn't about INFINITE careers, guys extending their careers to their 40s. It isn't about weak eras.

In other sports, older guys are doing better than ever but the young guys are not allowing them to dominate...
 
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