The ShooterMcMarco serve (clip) critiques

Beautiful looking serve. Very fluent, great knee bend, great racquet speed. I'm so jealous.

I'm guessing the best thing you can do to maybe beef it up a little is Take your racquet back a little bit farther in the back swing. It's not much of a big deal, but you can get much more pace/spin on the ball. It looks more like a 45 degree angle, at your elbow. Try to get them to touch, getting your racquet down even more.
 

jamauss

Hall of Fame
I'm not a coach or anything but one thing I noticed is that your momentum on your service motion seems to take you to your left too much. I've always found it more useful to have my service motion carry me towards the direction I hit the ball in.

So, obviously, I'm suggesting you toss the ball more to the right and maybe a little more out in front.

Plus, if you're serving from the ad court and the return comes down the line, you're gonna have quite a bit of ground to cover to get to the ball.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
jamauss said:
Plus, if you're serving from the ad court and the return comes down the line, you're gonna have quite a bit of ground to cover to get to the ball.
Thats a really good point, I never thought of that. I'll try to move the toss a little to the right and see what happens.

Is everyone able to view the clip ok? I just tried it on a different computer and it didn't load properly. If anyones having problems I can probably upload it again, and maybe change the compression type if the .mov isn't working.
 

Jonnyf

Legend
jamauss said:
I'm not a coach or anything but one thing I noticed is that your momentum on your service motion seems to take you to your left too much. I've always found it more useful to have my service motion carry me towards the direction I hit the ball in.

So, obviously, I'm suggesting you toss the ball more to the right and maybe a little more out in front.

Plus, if you're serving from the ad court and the return comes down the line, you're gonna have quite a bit of ground to cover to get to the ball.

You see this especially when the video is about 1/2 way through, after the serve Shooter, you end up half way between the baeline and service line, half way between the edges of the left hand side service box
 

Marius_Hancu

Talk Tennis Guru
the rocking motion/weight transfer should be directed towards the target, you seem to fall sideways towards the left

toss more into the court
 
Marius_Hancu said:
toss more into the court
Toss the ball just a little more into the court. This I hope would make your landing more in front of you instead landing on the left. Your starting position and landing position over the line should be on the same path of the ball. After fixing this little problem, then you have a perfect serve just for you. It almost looks like a Agassi serve.
 

Mr.Federer

Hall of Fame
theartoftennis said:
Beautiful looking serve. Very fluent, great knee bend, great racquet speed. I'm so jealous.

You're so jealous??? His serve is pretty good but nothing to be jealous about. ShooterMcMarco, your follow through should bring you into the court, now I don't know, if you were just simply warming up or not but you can produce alot more power and spin by simply following through your serve. Nice knee bend aswell.
 

jimiforpres

Rookie
Hey! Your serve is almost exactly like mine, except better overall. The main thing that I saw is that you need to have your weight going into the ball, not away from it. Try to explode towards the direction that you are going to hit it.
 

scez

Semi-Pro
I also noticed that it seemed you were hitting the ball behind you, having to bend backwards. And I cant tell if you are doing this but, my coach says to try and push your wheight up into the ball instead of forward which can caus you to go far into the court.
 

GOOOOOGA

Rookie
I love how smooth your serve is. My serve looks alot like yours, so I'm kinda comparing the two. Just be careful with that left foot during the toss- when it lifts up onto its heel. The foot might stray a little bit when it comes back down to the ground, leading to a foot fault. I didn't notice any FF's from the serves, but just in case, you know? Also, I heard this tip from one of the Tennis Channel commentators about the serve: You can get more oomph on the serve if you swing your right hip more quickly into the court. I don't know how true that is. And toss more into the court, like Marius said. Good looking serve though!
 

Bungalo Bill

G.O.A.T.
ShooterMcMarco said:
why thank you Bill :)
Shooter,

Keep working on stretching out the front side and using that to cause the knee bend. The hips help create the knee bend.

Use your stomach more in the serve.

Fold that non-hitting arm in quicker, keep the hitting shoulder extremely loose so it can go in maximum stretch. Then use the rotation of the shoulders to accelerate the hitting arm up and into the ball.

Keep trying to toss more into the court.

Get your landing balance to be more forward rather than to the left.

Compare as much as you can to this so-so player ;) http://www.uspta.com/html/e-lesson-Flat serve.swf
 

tennisp13

Rookie
Shooter, smooth motion serve there... We should hit sometime cause we live near by (S. Everett for me). page me at tennisp13 at yahoo.com

Phillip
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
I guess post #12 was a little premature, hehe. Thank you all for taking the time to watch the clip and give me suggestions, this has been very useful for me. Hopefully the weather will get better in the coming days to practice this stuff :)

Philip, email sent.
 

JCo872

Professional
ShooterMcMarco said:
Shooter, you have a great serve. The one thing that jumped out at me immediately was how quick you let the racket drop. Watch Federer here and see how his racket "hangs in the air" for a bit pointing up to the sky. It helps add to rhythm and the kinetic chain. If you drop too quick you lose this source of rhythm.

http://www.hi-techtennis.com/serve/videos/federer/index.cfm

But the rest of your motion is awesome. I think some people should be jealous :)
 

JCo872

Professional
JCo872 said:
Shooter, you have a great serve. The one thing that jumped out at me immediately was how quick you let the racket drop. Watch Federer here and see how his racket "hangs" in the air for a while pointing up to the sky. It helps add to rhythm. If you drop too quick you lose this source of rhythm.

http://www.hi-techtennis.com/serve/videos/federer/index.cfm

But the rest of your motion is awesome. Especially the racket drop. Textbook. I think people shoulde be jealous ;-)
 
Perhaps the toss is not high enough, that may be why he is not relaxing as much and not getting as much drop of the racket?

Also it looks as if your toss may be wondering around on you, that can really kill your serve quick messing up everything else.

Inorder to get the toss more out into the court the toss is going to need to be higher anyway.

In that clip of Roger you can really see that he has a lot of time to fully toss extend the arm and get set under the ball.

You want to be looking up there, bring the racket up high and close, get set under the ball, let wrist drop fallowed by arm, don't jump, but straighten out the legs as you throw the racket up just like in the forehand, rotating the shoulders, and snaping.

To make it simple I just say good high toss sam spot alway, drop racket, turn and hit. That makes it a lot simpler, the biggest thing IMO to remember is high toss and to relax more and more, let it be natural.

When you hit the serve the best it will not only feel the best but also the easiest


These are just my opinions I am not a trainer, got to say that other wise BB wil freak out:p
 

JCo872

Professional
jackson vile said:
Perhaps the toss is not high enough, that may be why he is not relaxing as much and not getting as much drop of the racket?

Also it looks as if your toss may be wondering around on you, that can really kill your serve quick messing up everything else.

Inorder to get the toss more out into the court the toss is going to need to be higher anyway.

In that clip of Roger you can really see that he has a lot of time to fully toss extend the arm and get set under the ball.

You want to be looking up there, bring the racket up high and close, get set under the ball, let wrist drop fallowed by arm, don't jump, but straighten out the legs as you throw the racket up just like in the forehand, rotating the shoulders, and snaping.

To make it simple I just say good high toss sam spot alway, drop racket, turn and hit. That makes it a lot simpler, the biggest thing IMO to remember is high toss and to relax more and more, let it be natural.

When you hit the serve the best it will not only feel the best but also the easiest


These are just my opinions I am not a trainer, got to say that other wise BB wil freak out:p
Good point about the toss. More time to build up the serve. I just looked at the clip again and you've got a great serve there, Shooter.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
JCo872 said:
Shooter, you have a great serve. The one thing that jumped out at me immediately was how quick you let the racket drop. Watch Federer here and see how his racket "hangs in the air" for a bit pointing up to the sky. It helps add to rhythm and the kinetic chain. If you drop too quick you lose this source of rhythm.

http://www.hi-techtennis.com/serve/videos/federer/index.cfm

But the rest of your motion is awesome. I think some people should be jealous :)
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I've worked on reducing my tendency to shoot towards the left. I'll record more serves to see if I've corrected what people felt I should incorporate.
 
ShooterMcMarco said:
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I've worked on reducing my tendency to shoot towards the left. I'll record more serves to see if I've corrected what people felt I should incorporate.

Just for example, you want the toss to be high enough so that you have a chance to look up, set up, get underit, and relax. No shorter than two racket heights, you can have somone hold something that high (be creative) so that you can see if you are even tossing the minimum height.

You serve will not grow any more if the toss is not high enough, consistant enough, in the right place enough.

It is hard to not jump into the shot when you are first trying to use the legs, but as pointed out it is actually not about the legs but the hips. If you jump it will mess up the serve.

Email me if you want some picks of ther serve throught the motion, that way you can get a better idea
 

bcaz

Professional
Shooter, regardless of all the other comments on technical aspects of your serve, the best thing about the clip is your ability to get the ball in to the righty's backhand over the high part of the net. That's money. Placement is huge.
 
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Deleted member 6835

Guest
ShooterMcMarco said:
I haven't had it clocked yet, any guesses? I'm thinking maybe mid 90's to low 100's i dunno
k im just wondering because when i made a post about if someone could guess my serve speed it was similar to yours in that video (i dont have a video of mine though). from what i could see your serves were taking their second bounce right in front of the fence? at least a few of them... (correct me if im wrong). i might be a bit slower, like 5-10 mph, but im pretty sure im close to that.

so if someone can guess what your speed is, then thank you, you saved me from having to get my own video or radar gun :D
 

saqdeez

Semi-Pro
Mr.Federer said:
You're so jealous??? His serve is pretty good but nothing to be jealous about. ShooterMcMarco, your follow through should bring you into the court, now I don't know, if you were just simply warming up or not but you can produce alot more power and spin by simply following through your serve. Nice knee bend aswell.
There is no reason to rudely question why someone liked his serve
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
tennis_nerd22 said:
from what i could see your serves were taking their second bounce right in front of the fence? at least a few of them... (correct me if im wrong)
If I was hitting with newer balls they would've touched the fence after the 1st bounce. I'm not sure if hitting with older balls hurts my development, but I've been doing it for the longest time.
 

ShooterMcMarco

Hall of Fame
jackson vile said:
No shorter than two racket heights, you can have somone hold something that high (be creative) so that you can see if you are even tossing the minimum height.

You serve will not grow any more if the toss is not high enough, consistant enough, in the right place enough.
Even though you can't see the toss from the vid, i've moved the toss more towards 1 and a little more in front, I think this reduced my tendency to shoot the the left.
 

TennsDog

Hall of Fame
First of all (kinda getting tired of saying this), you cannot judge serve speed whatsoever, whatsoever, based on if it hits the back fence on one bounce or anything of the sort. Way too many other variables which I am not going to get into, do a search. I will say, though, that if even a flat serve isn't hitting the back fence, it probably is nowhere near 100 mph.

Back to the serve, though. It does look better now than the first one, but you seem to kind of stop your weight shift at the bottom of your knee bend. This means that when you extend your knees into the ball, you are just going up and not through it, which is why you land right on the baseline rather than in the court at all. I think this may also contribute to why you land (still) a little left rather than forward. If you are able to make contact right above the baseline, then I don't think you're tossing the ball forward into the court enough. Try moving the peak of the toss about 6" into the court and see if you don't get some added pop as well as better weight shift into the serve.
 
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