The shot Roche plays

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Players are afraid to emulate Roche. He had one of the more famous cases of tennis elbow. As with Gut4Tennis, he was finally helped by a Filipino faith healer.
 

Russeljones

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You can't do a "tweener" with a wood racquet. Not unless you want to hurt yourself.

Roche's shot was a pretty common shot in the wood racquet era if you were running backwards after a well-placed lob. Over-the-shoulder forehands were also used.
I'd imagine so but what struck me most of all was the confidence with which he struck it. Brilliant skill.
 

Russeljones

G.O.A.T.
Not matter how many times I watch it, it's stupendous. Can't buy for a minute that shots of this quality were regular.
 

Russeljones

G.O.A.T.
Wow, how the heck could he put so much zip on that!?!

All 3 are very special shots. Roche's looks the most effortless. Pete's is probably the most impossible from a biomechanics point of view. JMac's shot comes off the best lob of the 3, in my opinion (despite Connors being wrong-footed after JMac's volley, he manages to place it perfectly). Thanks for the videos guys.
 

pjonesy

Professional
Similar, but I am not sure if better. Nice find!
I didn't look for clips, but I'm pretty sure i've seen Tsonga, Agassi, Murray, Monfils, and Federer hit similar shots. I could see Laver hitting it as well.

I think the value of this particular shot from Roche, lies in the fact that it was hit with a wood racquet on grass.

It was a much more amazing shot in that era. In the current game, the athleticism of the players combined with the response of the racquets and the control of the poly strings, would make this shot much easier to execute with success.

Much tougher to pull off in 1970. For the most part, the game required less athleticism and more skill back then. I think. Not the most forgiving racquet or surface. Roche earned every bit of that point.
 

Russeljones

G.O.A.T.
I didn't look for clips, but I'm pretty sure i've seen Tsonga, Agassi, Murray, Monfils, and Federer hit similar shots. I could see Laver hitting it as well.

I think the value of this particular shot from Roche, lies in the fact that it was hit with a wood racquet on grass.

It was a much more amazing shot in that era. In the current game, the athleticism of the players combined with the response of the racquets and the control of the poly strings, would make this shot much easier to execute with success.

Much tougher to pull off in 1970. For the most part, the game required less athleticism and more skill back then. I think. Not the most forgiving racquet or surface. Roche earned every bit of that point.
Rosewall seemed incredulous. Another reason why I thought the shot must have been special at the time. I wouldn't be surprised if more 2HBH players managed winners from such positions that's why I have been looking for similar 1HBH shots. I think the skill involved implies that with modern technology these guys would still be a part of the very top.
 

stringertom

Bionic Poster
Not in the same league imo. Easier to wrist a squash shot than to perform a backhand winner from a lob. Great rally though!
I actually think this shot was harder to pull off...Murray's volley had more pace than the lobs McEnroe and Sampras retrieved so Thiem could only flick his shot instead of lining up a full-swing backhand. It is the best shot I've seen in '14 so far!
 

Russeljones

G.O.A.T.
I actually think this shot was harder to pull off...Murray's volley had more pace than the lobs McEnroe and Sampras retrieved so Thiem could only flick his shot instead of lining up a full-swing backhand. It is the best shot I've seen in '14 so far!
We'll agree to disagree. I think it was a far easier shot. The players above managed winners after considerable compensation for position and complete 1h BH swings (JMac's being the most improvised perhaps), while Thiem plays a squash shot. I don't think it measures up. As far as shot of 2014, I will give this a go if work continues to be slow this morning :)
 

Chanwan

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I actually think this shot was harder to pull off...Murray's volley had more pace than the lobs McEnroe and Sampras retrieved so Thiem could only flick his shot instead of lining up a full-swing backhand. It is the best shot I've seen in '14 so far!
the thing is, Thiem's shot is more of a great, great get rather than a great shot. There's nothing on it, he basically just get's a squash shot back into the open court that Murray then somehow misses (probably because of the rally preceding it). The other 3 (4 with Fed) are winners hit from the far back court while running backwards
 
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