Okay. This is one reason some TT-ers have suggested it's a bad idea to use particular Pros' playing styles as "types" for these styles. The Pros sometimes change their games.Li Na crushes the ball. I mean destroys it. No soft-baller.
Depending on what you mean by "moonballer," they are probably covered by one of the other styles. (Moonballer is a label I don't see a lot of agreement on, so how can it be its own style?)what about moonballers?
Nadal is a good example of a Pro who is still adapting his game. I think it used to be legit to say he was almost exclusively an Aggressive Baseliner. But he is certainly Counter Punching and even playing All Court tennis (depending on the surface / opponent.)what type of style does nadal play? his style seems to be all of them other than s&v or net attacker. he plays well from the baseline (both aggresive and defensive at times) and he can run down just about everything. sometimes he even seems like a counterpuncher. anyone care to fill me in? thanks!
Yeah. I'm still enjoying peoples' comments and questions. (And "Welcome to TT.")dang this was so interesting to read
Interesting post, thank you! Perhaps Emilie Loit (current rank 39), is the closest thing to a WTA example of "Spin Doctor".4 a. - Spin Doctor players are the highest developed of the Junk Ballers. They stroke the ball with pace (when they wish) but also with crazy slices, side spins, topspins and some spins we don’t yet have names for. Spin Doctors keep you off-balance, wrong footed and clumsily compensating for their shots by altering your own strokes. They are serious threats to both players who Attack the Net and Baseliners.
Most players would rather have a root canal than play these guys. Their tennis seems as much “psychological warfare” as it is “real tennis” competition. While Spin Doctors’ opponents frequently “lose their cool” during matches, the Doctors themselves tend to be some of the most unflappable players you will encounter.
Pro examples: I cannot think of any WTA players. Fabrice Santoro is a “model” of the Spin Doctor.
I couldn't agree more. The more baseliners there are, the more net players will be successful (after all, the all these baseliners won't be used to hitting so many passing shots).Everything seems to go in cycles. Serve & Volley will be back ... at least at Wimby....
This brings to mind my question ... my coach says a great serve and volley player / chip & charger will always beat a great baseliner.how do you beat the machine baseliner? I can't figure out how to beat this guy. I think I have the tools. I have a better serve, way more power from both sides, I'm quicker but he does have more endurance than me though. He will place the ball from side to side and wear me down. I try to wait for short balls to approach on but he doesn't give me too many. By the time I do get an approach shot I'm too tired to setup for a proper shot and prob hit it out or give him something weak he can just lob or angle back.
Well...not necessarily. Its more like really good/great serve and volley style tennis players are less common than really good/great baseline type players.This brings to mind my question ... my coach says a great serve and volley player / chip & charger will always beat a great baseliner.
I watched one of the Men's Open in Arizona recently and the man who beat everyone fairly handily did move to the net more often than the people he beat. Beat people much younger who played the baseline with powerful strokes.
What do you all think?
Your opponent is called a pusher. Lots of tips and strategies on this...at the second sticky called "Pusher" ... Playing This (Dreaded) Opponent at the top of the Tennis Tips/Instruction sub-forum.KK, what tips do you have on facing a guy that hits with no power what so ever? I can't stand that at all. I fair better when given pace.
Well...not necessarily. Its more like really good/great serve and volley style tennis players are less common than really good/great baseline type players.
This means that the serve and volleyers are used to playing good baseliners, while the baseliners aren't that used to playing good serve and volley/chip & charge style tennis players.
Kind of the same thing with some righties finding it harder to beat a lefty than a righty.
Also, the players who are really good at serving and volleying are as you said quite a bit older than those with just powerful groundstrokes, so they have a lot more experience, play a more varied game, and have a better mental/court sense.
Hello Josh,Of course there are professional tennis players who are pushers. What would you call Gilles Simon?
I agree with this analysis ... players who get into the top 3 or 4 will adjust their game to whomever they are playing. I take exceptions with the idea though that all Americans are this way ... there are tons of serve and volley people, who can play an all court game ... McEnroe, Samprass, etc., etc.I don't get where, people are saying that Rafa Nadal is an aggressive baseliner. At times, he might resemble an aggresive baseliner, but he doesn't play that kind of game all the time. He adapts that style of play when he plays counter-punchers himself, i.e. Hewitt and adapts an all-court game when he plays Federer, but his typical style is a counter-punching game. He doesn't make big returns of serves, which is a classic characteristic of an aggresive baseliner. Blake is an aggresive baseliner, staying at the baseline and trying to win the point from the baseline. Really any American player is that style...big serve, big forehand, typically slices the backhand.
Aggressive Baseliners don't really do well on clay, which as we all know is quite the opposite for Nadal. Nadal is a grinder