The Splendid Seven - Federer 2015

Oceans

Rookie
Federer second half of 2015 from Wimbledon:

2 victories over #1 Djokovic
Cincinnati - 76 63
Tour Finals - 75 62
2 victories over #3 Murray
Wimbledon - 75 75 64
Cincinnati - 64 76
2 victories over #4/5 Wawrinka (who won RG)
US Open - 64 63 61
Tour Finals - 75 63
1 victory over #7 Nadal (who won the last 5 matches in their h2h)
Basel - 63 57 63




Discuss.
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
2015:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

2017:

“I think I play different to when I was 24,” Federer said of his level of play on Tuesday. “I think my technique has changed from when I was 19. “Is it the best I’ve ever played? For me it’s hard to say yes to that question, because the years where, I mean, I lost four matches or three matches, four matches, five matches the following year, in those two years I won like 150 matches and lost like 8 or 9. It’s hard to feel better than in that time. “But I feel like maybe on the offensive side, overall, I think I’m doing definitely a few things better than I ever have. That’s what I’ve always tried to explain to people, that I do feel that I have improved. The game has evolved and I had to adjust and change, but overall I do believe I’m probably a better player than I was ten years ago.”
 

pj80

Hall of Fame
Federer second half of 2015 from Wimbledon:

2 victories over #1 Djokovic
Cincinnati - 76 63
Tour Finals - 75 62
2 victories over #3 Murray
Wimbledon - 75 75 64
Cincinnati - 64 76
2 victories over #4/5 Wawrinka (who won RG)
US Open - 64 63 61
Tour Finals - 75 63
1 victory over #7 Nadal (who won the last 5 matches in their h2h)
Basel - 63 57 63




Discuss.
some of the best level he's played in his career...2015 Fed was strong
 

weakera

G.O.A.T.
2015:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

2017:

“I think I play different to when I was 24,” Federer said of his level of play on Tuesday. “I think my technique has changed from when I was 19. “Is it the best I’ve ever played? For me it’s hard to say yes to that question, because the years where, I mean, I lost four matches or three matches, four matches, five matches the following year, in those two years I won like 150 matches and lost like 8 or 9. It’s hard to feel better than in that time. “But I feel like maybe on the offensive side, overall, I think I’m doing definitely a few things better than I ever have. That’s what I’ve always tried to explain to people, that I do feel that I have improved. The game has evolved and I had to adjust and change, but overall I do believe I’m probably a better player than I was ten years ago.”


The post that ended the GOAT debate ^
 

ForehandCross

Hall of Fame
I don't know about other matches and years

But trust me I went through 2015 WB F and 2007 WB F simultaneously yesterday, and if you remove the first 10 minutes of the match where both of Fedal make bucket load of errors, Federer is much better in 2007.

While I felt his serve was bigger in 2015, it might just be the accoustics as per official stats he served bigger in 2007.


I will be honest I did have my doubts, but at least 2007 F trumps 2015 F performance.


And it's not as if 2007 isn't facing hell from the baseline, Nadal is throwing himself in almost every other shot.

Also 2007 has loads and loads of bad bounces, it's a testament to Fedal's then athleticism that they didn't let it be that big of an issue.
 

ForehandCross

Hall of Fame
I don't know about other matches and years

But trust me I went through 2015 WB F and 2007 WB F simultaneously yesterday, and if you remove the first 10 minutes of the match where both of Fedal make bucket load of errors, Federer is much better in 2007.

While I felt his serve was bigger in 2015, it might just be the accoustics as per official stats he served bigger in 2007.


I will be honest I did have my doubts, but at least 2007 F trumps 2015 F performance.


And it's not as if 2007 isn't facing hell from the baseline, Nadal is throwing himself in almost every other shot.

Also 2007 has loads and loads of bad bounces, it's a testament to Fedal's then athleticism that they didn't let it be that big of an issue.
But I will say one thing, while Federer 2007 is better, doesn't mean he will stream roll Djokovic or something. It will be difficult for Federer, because Djokovic is serving very very well.

In 2015 F, it felt whenever Djokovic was in trouble, he had 3-4 different serves and one punch to go for.
It will be difficult for any Federer to tackle someone who has enough traction on serve, amazing from baseline and is returning like hell.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

Hall of Fame
Federer second half of 2015 from Wimbledon:

2 victories over #1 Djokovic
Cincinnati - 76 63
Tour Finals - 75 62
2 victories over #3 Murray
Wimbledon - 75 75 64
Cincinnati - 64 76
2 victories over #4/5 Wawrinka (who won RG)
US Open - 64 63 61
Tour Finals - 75 63
1 victory over #7 Nadal (who won the last 5 matches in their h2h)
Basel - 63 57 63




Discuss.
Almost lost Wimbledon final in straights
Lost to Albert ramos vinolas in shanghai R32
Lost us open final in 4 sets
Struggled against Nishikori in indoors Hc conditions RR
Kohlscriber virtually served for the match against him in halle 1R
Lost to john isner in paris r16

yeah, some prime level stuff indeed, sir.
 

Rafa4LifeEver

Hall of Fame
But I will say one thing, while Federer 2007 is better, doesn't mean he will stream roll Djokovic or something. It will be difficult for Federer, because Djokovic is serving very very well.

In 2015 F, it felt whenever Djokovic was in trouble, he had 3-4 different serves and one punch to go for.
It will be difficult for any Federer to tackle someone who has enough traction on serve, amazing from baseline and is returning like hell.
Federer and Nadal with forehand working on their best surfaces have nothing to fear from djokovic, sir.
Look how 2012 Wimbledon SF went, when roger still had some of that liquid whip left on his forehand.
Look how the warrior has taken down nole in 2012, 2013 and 2014 french editions.
 

junior74

G.O.A.T.
2015:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

2017:

“I think I play different to when I was 24,” Federer said of his level of play on Tuesday. “I think my technique has changed from when I was 19. “Is it the best I’ve ever played? For me it’s hard to say yes to that question, because the years where, I mean, I lost four matches or three matches, four matches, five matches the following year, in those two years I won like 150 matches and lost like 8 or 9. It’s hard to feel better than in that time. “But I feel like maybe on the offensive side, overall, I think I’m doing definitely a few things better than I ever have. That’s what I’ve always tried to explain to people, that I do feel that I have improved. The game has evolved and I had to adjust and change, but overall I do believe I’m probably a better player than I was ten years ago.”
Now I've played guitar for 6000 years and I think I am better than ever!

Keith Richards
 
2015:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

2017:

“I think I play different to when I was 24,” Federer said of his level of play on Tuesday. “I think my technique has changed from when I was 19. “Is it the best I’ve ever played? For me it’s hard to say yes to that question, because the years where, I mean, I lost four matches or three matches, four matches, five matches the following year, in those two years I won like 150 matches and lost like 8 or 9. It’s hard to feel better than in that time. “But I feel like maybe on the offensive side, overall, I think I’m doing definitely a few things better than I ever have. That’s what I’ve always tried to explain to people, that I do feel that I have improved. The game has evolved and I had to adjust and change, but overall I do believe I’m probably a better player than I was ten years ago.”
The barrels you scrape and horses you give posthumous beatings in attempts to garner shreds of credibility to bolster your position are downright embarrassing.
 

MeatTornado

G.O.A.T.
I don't think a 6-3 5-7 6-3 win over 2015 Nadal on his worst surface is an indicator of Federer being in great form. Prime Federer would have beaten this Nadal like 6-1 6-1.
This isn't a Nadal thread. It's just listing Fed's wins over top players. And like it or not, Nadal ended 2015 as a top 5 player.

No one is pointing to that Basel match specifically and going "omg look at that form by Federer!"
 

TJfederer16

Hall of Fame
2015:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

2017:

“I think I play different to when I was 24,” Federer said of his level of play on Tuesday. “I think my technique has changed from when I was 19. “Is it the best I’ve ever played? For me it’s hard to say yes to that question, because the years where, I mean, I lost four matches or three matches, four matches, five matches the following year, in those two years I won like 150 matches and lost like 8 or 9. It’s hard to feel better than in that time. “But I feel like maybe on the offensive side, overall, I think I’m doing definitely a few things better than I ever have. That’s what I’ve always tried to explain to people, that I do feel that I have improved. The game has evolved and I had to adjust and change, but overall I do believe I’m probably a better player than I was ten years ago.”
You put may too much stock into that off the cuff quote from Roger in 2015.
 

ForehandCross

Hall of Fame
2015:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

2017:

“I think I play different to when I was 24,” Federer said of his level of play on Tuesday. “I think my technique has changed from when I was 19. “Is it the best I’ve ever played? For me it’s hard to say yes to that question, because the years where, I mean, I lost four matches or three matches, four matches, five matches the following year, in those two years I won like 150 matches and lost like 8 or 9. It’s hard to feel better than in that time. “But I feel like maybe on the offensive side, overall, I think I’m doing definitely a few things better than I ever have. That’s what I’ve always tried to explain to people, that I do feel that I have improved. The game has evolved and I had to adjust and change, but overall I do believe I’m probably a better player than I was ten years ago.”
Nadal picked Federer to play for his life in his latest interview.

Federer> all.

That's exactly why Federer struggles to win games let alone sets against Nadal on Clay.

Nadal's 20 slams make all our opinions invalid.

Nose is the BOAT.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
You put may too much stock into that off the cuff quote from Roger in 2015.
+1. Of course he's not going to believe "Yeah I'm past my prime, my best days are behind me" when he's still hungry for more Slams.
And it's true that he may play a little smarter now than he once did (his 2003-07 game was almost built on low-percentage shots and plays simply because he was that talented), but that's making up for a few lost steps physically and a less lethal serve + FH. Even his much-celebrated neo BH hasn't been the same excluding 2017 and early 18.
 
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Start da Game

Hall of Fame
he was definitely better during 2006 - 2011.........after 2011 he could still bring high level to slams sometimes but not as consistently during that five year period he did.........
 

StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
This isn't a Nadal thread. It's just listing Fed's wins over top players. And like it or not, Nadal ended 2015 as a top 5 player.

No one is pointing to that Basel match specifically and going "omg look at that form by Federer!"
This thread is another attempt of some Djokovic fanboys to bring the "peak 2015 Federer" myth. The competition back then was probably even weaker than now (no young players at all), so that made Federer look better than he really was. We saw his true level in the big matches, and it was nothing good.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
This thread is another attempt of some Djokovic fanboys to bring the "peak 2015 Federer" myth. The competition back then was probably even weaker than now (no young players at all), so that made Federer look better than he really was. We saw his true level in the big matches, and it was nothing good.
2015 Fed was a good slam final opponent. Just not better than some other guys Fed faced at his best.
 

lucky13

Rookie
Federer second half of 2015 from Wimbledon:

2 victories over #1 Djokovic
Cincinnati - 76 63
Tour Finals - 75 62



Discuss.
yes he won the cinci final and WTF RR (which was clear tank job after nole lost 1st set, because nole was already ready for SF) but lost Wimbl, USO and WTF (same tournament but much more important match) finals!

2015ATP Finals
Great Britain
Indoor HardRRRoger Federer75 62
2015ATP Finals
Great Britain
Indoor HardFNovak Djokovic63 64
2015US Open
NY, U.S.A.
Outdoor HardFNovak Djokovic64 57 64 64
2015ATP Masters 1000 Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A.
Outdoor HardFRoger Federer761 63
2015Wimbledon
Great Britain
Outdoor GrassFNovak Djokovic761 6710 64 63

so out of 5 matches he won 2 clearly the least important and lost the 3 most important! he won 600p (400+200) on his 2 wins and lost 2100p (800+800+500) on the 3 losses.
 
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StrongRule

G.O.A.T.
yes he won the cinci final and WTF RR (which was clear tank job after nole lost 1st set, because nole was already ready for SF) but lost Wimbl, USO and WTF (same tournament but much more important match) finals!

2015ATP Finals
Great Britain
Indoor HardRRRoger Federer75 62
2015ATP Finals
Great Britain
Indoor HardFNovak Djokovic63 64
2015US Open
NY, U.S.A.
Outdoor HardFNovak Djokovic64 57 64 64
2015ATP Masters 1000 Cincinnati
OH, U.S.A.
Outdoor HardFRoger Federer761 63
2015Wimbledon
Great Britain
Outdoor GrassFNovak Djokovic761 6710 64 63
I agree, Djokovic clearly tanked that RR match. We saw their true levels in the final.
 
2015:

“I think I’m a better player now than when I was at 24 because I’ve practised for another 10 years and I’ve got 10 years more experience,” Federer said. “Maybe I don’t have the confidence level that I had at 24 when I was winning 40 matches in a row, but I feel like I hit a bigger serve, my backhand is better, my forehand is still as good as it’s ever been, I volley better than I have in the past. I think I’ve had to adapt to a new generation of players again.”

2017:

“I think I play different to when I was 24,” Federer said of his level of play on Tuesday. “I think my technique has changed from when I was 19. “Is it the best I’ve ever played? For me it’s hard to say yes to that question, because the years where, I mean, I lost four matches or three matches, four matches, five matches the following year, in those two years I won like 150 matches and lost like 8 or 9. It’s hard to feel better than in that time. “But I feel like maybe on the offensive side, overall, I think I’m doing definitely a few things better than I ever have. That’s what I’ve always tried to explain to people, that I do feel that I have improved. The game has evolved and I had to adjust and change, but overall I do believe I’m probably a better player than I was ten years ago.”
It's easy to have confidence when you've been facing mugs all day up until that point in his career (pre-Djokodal).

Tbh, he probably has improved in lots of areas. Difference is after the age of 24 he actually had some competition for a change.
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
Good player, fun to watch until he faced Djokovic and got exposed from
the baseline.

Was fun to watch him own the lost gen with his offence and variety.
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
But I will say one thing, while Federer 2007 is better, doesn't mean he will stream roll Djokovic or something. It will be difficult for Federer, because Djokovic is serving very very well.

In 2015 F, it felt whenever Djokovic was in trouble, he had 3-4 different serves and one punch to go for.
It will be difficult for any Federer to tackle someone who has enough traction on serve, amazing from baseline and is returning like hell.
Tbf Fed’s return on grass was unreal at his peak. Especially between 2003-2006 where he was over 30%
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
It's easy to have confidence when you've been facing mugs all day up until that point in his career (pre-Djokodal).

Tbh, he probably has improved in lots of areas. Difference is after the age of 24 he actually had some competition for a change.
Similar to Djokovic since 2015. Easy to be confident when every young player craps their pants against you, and your toughest opponent is a nervous old Federer who lacks his main weapon.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Both of them weren't anything special.
26 years old Djokovic is non-comparable to 34 years old Federer (8 years difference). Djokovic in 2013 was definetely something special. He was 26 years old and at the peak of his physical powers. 2013 Djokovic played his best ever version at RG and still was not enough, and at the USO peakdal was too much.

Without Nadal, the legendary Serbian player known as "Nole" would have won 3 Slams (A0 2013, RG 2013 and USO 2013) plus the ATP Finals and 2013 would be universally proclaimed one of Djokovic's best years.

P. S.: I know it is untestable, but is is highly unlikely that Djokovic had lost to Ferrer in the RG 2013 final or Gasquet in the USO 2013 final.
 

lucky13

Rookie
even in their "regular" h2h, it is the case that nole has won the most important matches more often. it would be fun to see how many points are the matches that nole has won worth against the points that fed has won in their h2h.
 

Bamoos

Semi-Pro
even in their "regular" h2h, it is the case that nole has won the most important matches more often. it would be fun to see how many points are the matches that nole has won worth against the points that fed has won in their h2h.
Yeah he’s better than 32-38 years old Federer for sure.
 

ibbi

Legend
If Novak had his wish and tennis was all best of 3, he probably wouldn't be weeks away from breaking the weeks at number 1 record.
 
Similar to Djokovic since 2015. Easy to be confident when every young player craps their pants against you, and your toughest opponent is a nervous old Federer who lacks his main weapon.
Yeah but at least Djokovic still had to face post prime Fedal (who was still better than the field).
 
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