GRASScaraz
Hall of Fame
20 years of the big 3 building the image of tennis, to be knocked down by Sinner in the space of 12 months.
Time for him to win the Sunshine Double
Time for him to win the Sunshine Double
The sport needs Alcaraz more than ever
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messiahrobins
Legend
Alcaraz wont feel as much pride though winning events when Sinner isnt there. Real champions want to beat the best, not rely on their rivals to be injured or suspended to win things. Thankfully its only IW thats a truly big event that will be affected as Miami MC Madrid i dont place too much weight on.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Real champions give the answer Alcaraz just did
"Whether he is there or not doesn't influence us. We remain focused on us and our goals."
That's how a real champion thinks. Not being like a Kyrgios or Tiafoe and only getting up for big matches. What made the Big 3 so great wasn't how they played against each other, it was their everyday consistency. You put your head down and treat every day the same regardless of who you're playing. Not to mention that Alcaraz has nothing to prove. He already beat Sinner in 2 of his 4 slam wins and was undefeated against him last year. No title he potentially wins the next 3 months will come with an asterisk.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
It's hard courts lol
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
I get what you are saying.
I also know the best want to play and beat the best. So...
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
Tallawah Tennis
Semi-Pro
Agree that man. Pi$$es me off this crap bandied about. I'm looking forward to others coming up in any event, to give Carlitos and Jannik something to think about.
That said, I'll be very pleased if Carlitos does what he says, and can stay focused on his goals, avoid going away with the fairies as much!
TheSlicer
Hall of Fame
Well hes won both titles already, like, you know, It wouldnt be that much of a surprise
Tallawah Tennis
Semi-Pro
Heh, heh man. It doesn't count - Carlitos hasn't achieved anything. I'm intrigued why it would be a surprise if nothing dude does counts? If you have a theory - do share it, 'cos I'm, buggred if I know.
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Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
Sinner beat him at the 6 Kings Slam
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
You are right, Alcaraz rightly continues on his own path as a great champion always does in these cases.
However, there is also the other side of the coin, that is, his fan base, the most toxic that exists in tennis, for the simple reason that it is driven by envy and jealousy, like a man who has just discovered that the woman of his dreams is sleeping with his best friend.
Well, this was the feeling of the Spaniard's fanbase when Sinner began to put him in the shadows with great titles and dictatorship in the rankings.
So for that fanbase it changes a lot between a scenario where Sinner can play, and a scenario where Sinner gets disqualified.
The problem with this specific case, which in their position justifies their resentment, is that 3 months of disqualification is not enough, they were hoping for 2 years, in order to have the red carpet rolled out under their feet again.
Alcaraz is a great player and an exquisite person, and he doesn't deserve such a toxic fanbase.
However, there is also the other side of the coin, that is, his fan base, the most toxic that exists in tennis, for the simple reason that it is driven by envy and jealousy, like a man who has just discovered that the woman of his dreams is sleeping with his best friend.
Well, this was the feeling of the Spaniard's fanbase when Sinner began to put him in the shadows with great titles and dictatorship in the rankings.
So for that fanbase it changes a lot between a scenario where Sinner can play, and a scenario where Sinner gets disqualified.
The problem with this specific case, which in their position justifies their resentment, is that 3 months of disqualification is not enough, they were hoping for 2 years, in order to have the red carpet rolled out under their feet again.
Alcaraz is a great player and an exquisite person, and he doesn't deserve such a toxic fanbase.
Clay lover
Legend
Two things that are blatantly factually wrong here - most Alcaraz fans do not have the so-called "jealousy" against Sinner - it was in fact some Sinner fans like Neutralfan or dking who were extremely weird with Alcaraz, or some random hater like thundervolley who likes to invent this self-fulfilling narrative that every Alcaraz fan overhypes him when it's clearly not true. And even if there are they are far from the most toxic fanbase ever (have you seen the Fedalovic fan wars over the years?!!) and it's not wise to generalize an entire fanbase using a few.
Another is the ad hominem going on in your narrative that wrongly attributes people having doubts about the procedural justice or general justice of the case to their fandom. One CAN be a fan of Alcaraz or any non-Sinner player and STILL raise legitimate concerns about how the case was handled. The hateful notion that anyone who doubts the legitimacy of the case must be biased says more about your bias than others'.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Alcaraz's fans want that, hence the conspiracy theory extremes they go to in order to wishcast Sinner from the sport. They are among the most insecure sports fanbases in quite some time.
Clay lover
Legend
Just interested - where did you get this impression of Alcaraz's fans from? Could you name a few? I don't seem to detect the same degree of irrationally you ever detected
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
Straw tail?
Forget it if you don't even know what you're talking about.
This is not about having a legitimate benefit of the doubt, since I am the first to say that justice is not incontrovertible truth.
This is about commenting on a real fury, the one that leads that fan base to call him a conscious doper, to continuously belittle his victories, to hypothesize a conspiracy theory according to which he has the entire support of the system.
I could give you a long list in this forum alone of fans or pseudo-Spanish fans who spend their days flooding the forum with this ********, or hating and provoking Sinner fans just because they support what for them is the enemy they need to defeat.
As for Sinner's fan base, we are more humble fans, for the simple reason that we initially learned to live with the poverty of his initial success (he won his first big title at the age of 22 in his fifth year on the circuit) without having everything right away.
We supported him when his record against the Djokovic/Medvedev/Zverev/Tsitsipas quartet read an eloquent 3-18, or when his name in perspective was placed not only well behind that of Alcaraz, but also that of Rune.
And above all we started cheering him without any guarantee that he could reach the levels he has actually reached in the last year and a half.
We don't need to belittle Alcaraz to validate Sinner, and this is what will always differentiate us from that toxic fanbase.
Clay lover
Legend
I do not know what a straw tail is and it is not an official English saying.
Please give me a list of those irrational Alcaraz fans and prove how they are hatefully commenting instead of having legitimate concerns. And even if they are, prove how their existence magically constitutes the most "toxic fanbase" ever. You also conveniently say here your fanbase are the most humble again without an inkling of proof, all the while being more than happy to cast stones on others, again at the moment STILL without an inkling of proof, whereas I raised at least three concrete examples of posters clearly putting down Alcaraz for no benefit other than to further their hateful agendas.
Look - I have no problem with you defending Sinner using reason or saying that some Alcaraz fans are toxic. But the way you blanketed an entire fanbase while pretending your own fanbase is the fairest ever and pretending the ENTIRE fanbase is driven by jealousy - I'll call that out forever and your stance is way more hateful than most Alcaraz fans' that I have encountered here.
Winner Sinner
Hall of Fame
Straw tail means feeling guilty.
However, look around every now and then instead of trying to be a defense lawyer for lost causes, also playing dumb.
Who knows why only in this little-frequented thread do you set yourself up as a champion of justice, and you don't go and take a look at the thread dedicated to the news of Sinner's disqualification, so perhaps you will finally start to open your eyes.
Having said that, I repeat, I never enjoy other people's misfortunes, you will never see me make fun of some of Alcaraz's defeats.
While you can bet that when Sinner returns to lose a match, an event that I have not yet been able to witness since I joined this forum (after the defeat in Beijing vs Alcaraz, in the wolf's den, because we Sinner fanbases are not insecure), various carousels, denigrations and allusions will start.
I respect Carlitos Alcaraz enormously both as a player and as a character, but I no longer have the slightest respect for his fanbase, the most toxic currently around.
Never a truer sentence spoken. All people are asking me when getting into tennis is why a doper was allowed to play through all of last year, and why he gets to choose the terms of his ban to suit his schedule. It's disgusting. Thank you so much Sinner for putting yourself over the sport.
Clay lover
Legend
You still have not produced any proof despite the burden of proof being on you as the one who started the accusation and generalization, but fine, I'll take your word for it. Your observations apparently conclude with Alcaraz's fanbase being the worst ever. I will try to look at those threads but end up with nowhere near as extreme an observation as you do.
(Especially when you haven't experienced the worst of the Fedalovic wars)
Remember, no benefit of the doubt to Carlos.
Similarly, Alcaraz also beat Djokovic at the Saudi exhibition the year before. But it would be shameful of me to brag about that, don't know about the you folks.Sinner beat him at the 6 Kings Slam
RSJfan
Hall of Fame
Dr Pangloss approved post.
It's silly because before all the scandal, even I, a known Alcaraz fan here I suppose, was deeply appreciative of the mighty skills and focus of the Italian, calling him a worthy unstoppable champion post AO 2024.
My allegiance to Alcaraz doesn't stop me from calling him a mug when he mugs around and neither should it stop me from smelling BS in the farcical Sinner doping scandal.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
We could definitely use a little excitement.
DSH
Talk Tennis Guru
Im(moral) Winner
G.O.A.T.
I doubt the two would it take it less seriously than their Beijing match
Alcaraz with Saudi exho familiarity must have taken it as seriously as he did the Djokovic Saudi encounter.
pierceforehands
Rookie
So dissapointed in him lately. His play in Australia was pretty pathetic. Yes the sport needs him, it would be the worst mens field in history by far even if he was playing well, just imagine if he continues to not.
messiahrobins
Legend
Im an Alcaraz fan but want Sinner to be playing as i like Sinner too. His suspension hurts the game. Qatar now is not interesting at all really
landcookie
Professional
Sinner calendar slam 2025.
Alcawrath
Professional
Agree with this which is why the doping scandal bothers me. I want best on best and without an asterisk. Sinner is an unbelievable talent and the sport only benefits when he's at full strength playing Alcaraz in slam finals without scandalous headlines.
Edit: it's also why I'm excited for Fonseca. I hope he continues to grow into the superstar he's becoming. A new big three would be fantastic for tennis.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
It is quite the toxic fanbase.
messiahrobins
Legend
Totally agree.
KennyoFatoBoiyo
Rookie
Winner Sinner = Neutral Fan in case it wasn't obvious already.
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