The tennis tour should test every kind of skill

[Raining hopes]

Tennis is a sport of varied styles. There are always counter claims to slowing down of courts but let's set that aside for a moment.




Shouldn't the tennis tour test a player in every way ? Shouldn't every style of play find ample opportunity and each type of skill given some chance ?

Even servebottery is a difficult skill.

Imagine a tour which has a lot of variety,but equally caters to both fast and slow surface specialists. In such a tour, the year end no.1 will be a player who withstood all the difficulties posed by every type of condition. He easily will be the player with most complete game and form that year.


An ideal tour from my eyes would be

AO (slow, medium bounce)
IW (Slow, high bounce)
Miami (Slow medium to low bounce)

MC (Slow, High bounce)
Same for Rome
Madrid (Somewhat faster lower bounce)
RG (Slow, High bounce)


A Grass masters(medium fast to fast, low bounce)
WB (Medium fast , low bounce)

Canada (medium , low bounce)
Cincinnati (medium fast to fast, medium bounce)

USO (Medium fast, average bounce)

Scrap Paris, make Shanghai indoors

A 500 indoor (medium fast to fast, average bounce)

Shanghai masters indoors ( medium fast to fast, low bounce)

YEC indoors ( medium , low bounce)

2 slow slams, 2 fast ones. 4 slow masters, 4 medium fast. One clay masters with a small twist and a grass masters.



Whoever ends this tour as no. 1 would really deserve it TBH.

 

[Gary Duane]

First we have to define better what slow/fast mean and low/medium/high bounce...

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

First we have to define better what slow/fast mean and low/medium/high bounce...

Eggjectly

 

[Nadal_Django]

Scrap Paris, make Basel a Masters, count the titles retroactively, make out of OP one happy bunny.

 

[kevaninho]

Scrap Paris, make Basel a Masters, count the titles retroactively, make out of OP one happy bunny.

Whats special about Basel?

 

[Nadal_Django]

Whats special about Basel?

I could think of 9 reasons why the Maestronians would think that Basel is extra special, more special than Paris anyway.

 

[mahesh69a]

Maybe they should do one tournament underwater also (with all the scuba diving equipment etc.)

Hey, with all the global warming talk, this is more relevant than you think.

 

[Dondon]

Just go to ur PlayStation

 

[Lleytonstation]

Maybe they should do one tournament underwater also (with all the scuba diving equipment etc.)

Hey, with all the global warming talk, this is more relevant than you think.

Shallow Tide Stadium in the Pacific Ocean.

 

[icedevil0289]

a poster here (think it was zagor) said that it seems they are adapting the surfaces to the current players and their style of play rather than having the players adapt to the different surfaces.

I'm honestly okay with scrapping madrid, if its just too much, they can stick with two masters and a few 500/250s to prep for clay and tehn grass can finally get its 1 master

 

[ron schaap]

Therefor i have different proposals:
Tournaments where players are obliged to serve with their other arm than they usually do, other tournaments where they have to play single matches on doubles courts to test their stamina, and lastly tournaments where they can only take max 2 racquets to court and are not allowed restringing to get rid of all the waste of perfect strings that are cut out and thrown away and to challenge string companies to produce durable yet playable strings!

 

[Lleytonstation]

Get used to this. It's not changing and either are the players. We now live in a one dimensional tennis world.

 

[Born_to_slice]

Get used to this. It's not changing and either are the players. We now live in a one dimensional tennis world.

Sour grapes.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Sour grapes.

Non-tennis fan.

 

[Born_to_slice]

Non-tennis fan.

Nice argument. Coming from the Fedal gloryhunter no less.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Nice argument. Coming from the Fedal gloryhunter no less.

Hmmm, that makes no sense, but okay.

 

[dominikk1985]

The big advantage of the slower courts is that you have less upsets. Even a good fast court player like federer benefits from this because the slow courts means less of a chance a hot servebot wins just on base of a few points. Fast courts mean less points decide a match since so many points at serve of both guys are basically dead so there are only a few open points that decide a match.

Back in the day a set was gone if you got broken but now the top guys break you back twice.

And atp doesn't like upsets, they are exiting in the moment but in the end a federer novak semifinal sells better than a novak isner semi. Those big 4 semis with the same guys every time were a dream financially for atp, much better than in the 90s when the FO winner would often lose in the second round of Wimbledon.

 

[Born_to_slice]

Hmmm, that makes no sense, but okay.

 

[Lleytonstation]

The big advantage of the slower courts is that you have less upsets. Even a good fast court player like federer benefits from this because the slow courts means less of a chance a hot servebot wins just on base of a few points. Fast courts mean less points decide a match since so many points at serve of both guys are basically dead so there are only a few open points that decide a match.

Back in the day a set was gone if you got broken but now the top guys break you back twice.

And atp doesn't like upsets, they are exiting in the moment but in the end a federer novak semifinal sells better than a novak isner semi. Those big 4 semis with the same guys every time were a dream financially for atp, much better than in the 90s when the FO winner would often lose in the second round of Wimbledon.

Keeps the big 3 up and running. Lame. They need some new winners here and there. I dont get why having one or two big events with fast courts would be so bad. I have yet to hear one good reason for it.

 

[Lleytonstation]

So being a Rafa and Fed fan makes me want variety? Odd assumption.

I get it, you obviously like tennis to be predictable and have less skill needed to succeed. Sounds good, you will enjoy the next decade of weak tennis.

 

[dominikk1985]

Keeps the big 3 up and running. Lame. They need some new winners here and there. I dont get why having one or two big events with fast courts would be so bad. I have yet to hear one good reason for it.

WTA has a lot of different winners and anyone laughs how inconsistent and random wta is.

Atp needs new winners but they want a handful of new stars who stay there for 6-7 years consistently like the old gen did (essentially a new big 4) and not new winners every year. Thus also the nextgen campaign by ATP, they hope to get some new stars who also stay there for more than half a decade.

Atp needs the nextgen to step up but they certainly don't want a revolving door like WTA

 

[dominikk1985]

But I agree, a few fast tournaments wouldn't be bad, would also like a grass masters.

 

[Moses85]

Only clay tennis if fun to watch atm. The other surfaces have to much "wannabe clay conditions".

 

[Born_to_slice]

So being a Rafa and Fed fan makes me want variety? Odd assumption.

I get it, you obviously like tennis to be predictable and have less skill needed to succeed. Sounds good, you will enjoy the next decade of weak tennis.

No, being a fan of both Federer and Nadal is the ultimate tunnel vision. It's kind of lame-ish, but to each his own. I wouldn't care but you called me a non-tennis fan so have at it.

Players today have more variety and are more different among each other than ever in tennis history. Sport is evolving and technology is evolving, techniques are evolving, which is much more influential than something basic like speed of the courts. Number of shots per point is more varied than ever too. Best players are no longer 1D specialists and are so good to win on any surface. If not for big 3, tour would look deep and competitive as ever in the past.

 

[Lleytonstation]

No, being a fan of both Federer and Nadal is the ultimate tunnel vision. It's kind of lame-ish, but to each his own. I wouldn't care but you called me a non-tennis fan so have at it.

Players today have more variety and are more different among each other than ever in tennis history. Sport is evolving and technology is evolving, techniques are evolving, which is much more influential than something basic like speed of the courts. Number of shots per point is more varied than ever too. Best players are no longer 1D specialists and are so good to win on any surface. If not for big 3, tour would look deep and competitive as ever in the past.

Surfaces are more alike than ever in tennis history, which is why there are very few specialists.

So liking two of the greatest ever is "lame-ish?" Hmmm then most tennis fans are "lame-ish."

Tennis is better in MY opinion when it has variety in court speed, bounce, styles, and winners.

 

[er4claw]

Becuase the tour organizers hate fed and want to steal his GOAT title the surfaces go like this

AO: very slow, high bounce
IW: very slow , high bounce
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Wimb: very slow, high bounce!?!?!?!

This surface homogenization is making my eyes bleed and is ruining tennis.

 

[Raining hopes]

No, being a fan of both Federer and Nadal is the ultimate tunnel vision. It's kind of lame-ish, but to each his own. I wouldn't care but you called me a non-tennis fan so have at it.

Players today have more variety and are more different among each other than ever in tennis history. Sport is evolving and technology is evolving, techniques are evolving, which is much more influential than something basic like speed of the courts. Number of shots per point is more varied than ever too. Best players are no longer 1D specialists and are so good to win on any surface. If not for big 3, tour would look deep and competitive as ever in the past.

Usually I respect people's opinion but this is something I just can't accept.

I can withstand someone proclaiming the current tour as the best ever , but well calling it most diverse ever border line lunacy.


Yes we have a tour where except one guy no one can hit a good slice. Bring anyone except the big 3 at the net and they are sitting ducks.Returns are made from stands on FREAKING GRASS. They play 30+ shots on it AND CLAY.

Zverev and co can't volley properly to save their life.


80% are baseline bots, and remaining are mostly servebots.

More different than ever ? That's LAUGHABLE. Every new guy is a Djokovic or Nadal clone. If they had even a dime of their talent, the tour won't be as boring as now.


I love Djokovic and Fed , they won 7 slams in the period but the truth is the Tour has been absolutely hollow since Murray and Stan got injured.

 

[Benben245]

Junior tennis is hit hardest by the desire for tv ratings in slowing the courts. You lose development in key areas of the all around game with these molasses like surfaces. The painful irony is how boring tennis is becoming as a result of the desire to make the game more interesting for the sake of profits. Its a fine equilibrium not a binary absolute that slowing down court surfaces makes for a more exciting game with longer rallies. We are hearing rumors about five set matches in grand slams being done away with, Djokovic has agreed with this idea (Im sure Federer disagrees) . This is funny, because if you speed up the courts you wouldn't have this problem. Also, isn't offense the name of the game, maybe a speed like australian open 2005 would be satisfactory for the layman viewer. I am worried about tennis and that sucks because hockey isn't a great game for tv, american football is becoming a ballet, and Tennis is the last vestige of my delusions of grandeur where I can pretend my country club is my training facility for my ATP career.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Usually I respect people's opinion but this is something I just can't accept.

I can withstand someone proclaiming the current tour as the best ever , but well calling it most diverse ever border line lunacy.


Yes we have a tour where except one guy no one can hit a good slice. Bring anyone except the big 3 at the net and they are sitting ducks.Returns are made from stands on FREAKING GRASS. They play 30+ shots on it AND CLAY.

Zverev and co can't volley properly to save their life.


80% are baseline bots, and remaining are mostly servebots.

More different than ever ? That's LAUGHABLE. Every new guy is a Djokovic or Nadal clone. If they had even a dime of their talent, the tour won't be as boring as now.


I love Djokovic and Fed , they won 7 slams in the period but the truth is the Tour has been absolutely hollow since Murray and Stan got injured.

When Djoker, Rafa, and obviously Fed need to, they can handle their selves at the net (even dominate) if need be. The rest of the tour can not say that.

 

[Born_to_slice]

I can withstand someone proclaiming the current tour as the best ever , but well calling it most diverse ever border line lunacy.

Today, as in modern tennis. Not today 22. July 2019.

Yes we have a tour where except one guy no one can hit a good slice. Bring anyone except the big 3 at the net and they are sitting ducks.

Dolgopolov, Jarry, Raonic, Tomic, Kyrgios, off the top of my head...many other players can hit a decent/good slice.

Returns are made from stands on FREAKING GRASS. They play 30+ shots on it AND CLAY.

One player returns from stands on grass (ignoring his coach who tells him to come closer). Absolute fallacy based on 1 example. Thiem who also returns from the back of the court got nowhere on "green clay".

Zverev and co can't volley properly to save their life.

Go watch S&V bot-ers of the past. They have hilarious volley misses and that was their 1D bread and butter. I wonder who the "co." are? Thiem? Pretty good volleys. Medvedev? S&V very successfully in Queens this year until he got injured and beaten by Simon. (Btw, Queens won by Flopez who went to the net like crazy). Kyrgios? Tsitsipas? ... Young Humbert has good volleys, Hurkacz too. Opelka... I mean who can't volley? It's just baseless nonsense you guys are repeating over and over.

More different than ever ? That's LAUGHABLE. Every new guy is a Djokovic or Nadal clone. If they had even a dime of their talent, the tour won't be as boring as now.

Nadal clone????? Literally no one ever in history of tennis played or will play like that guy. No coach will teach it. You don't know what you're talking about saying that.

Only two players that have some similarities to Nole are FAA and Garin, who try to emulate the BH. And why not? Best 2HBH of all time. No one hits FH like he does, or has anywhere that good of a footwork.

There are plenty of promising talents who will be coming of age soon. I don't get doom and gloom about future of tennis one bit. Maybe you lack a perspective...or it's just sour grapes? Whatever.

I love Djokovic and Fed , they won 7 slams in the period but the truth is the Tour has been absolutely hollow since Murray and Stan got injured.

Wawrinka plays whole 2019 now. Guy was a late bloomer but nothing about him suggested he could keep that best form for few consecutive tournaments and we're talking about a guy deep in his 30's. Murray is sorely missed but what can you do?

 

[kevaninho]

I could think of 9 reasons why the Maestronians would think that Basel is extra special, more special than Paris anyway.

Its not about Fed fans opinion. Im asking whats so special that you think Basel should be a Masters?

 

[LGQ7]

Simpler: right hand vs. right hand, left hand vs. left hand.

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/ambidextrous-sports.615160/post-12215358

 

[icedevil0289]

No, being a fan of both Federer and Nadal is the ultimate tunnel vision. It's kind of lame-ish, but to each his own. I wouldn't care but you called me a non-tennis fan so have at it.

Players today have more variety and are more different among each other than ever in tennis history. Sport is evolving and technology is evolving, techniques are evolving, which is much more influential than something basic like speed of the courts. Number of shots per point is more varied than ever too. Best players are no longer 1D specialists and are so good to win on any surface. If not for big 3, tour would look deep and competitive as ever in the past.

Idt you know what variety means

 

[Born_to_slice]

Idt you know what variety means

What it means? S&V boting maybe? I get that some people only like that kind of tennis, but that's not variety.

Today's players can hit each shot with much greater variety than ever, due to evolving techniques and racquet/string technology, introducing new ways to slice and spin the ball. Footwork needed to compete is much more demanding. Number of shots per rally %'s are more varied than ever.

 

[Karma Tennis]

The Tour can be changed to test a variety of skills without changing the current Schedule.

1/ Mandate the Tennis Equipment. Tennis racquets must be 27 inch length, a minimum of 330 grams static weight strung, and a max hoop size of 75 Sq Inches. String can only be Natural Gut / Nylon / Aramid. Strings with any polymer components should be outlawed.

2/ Consider modifying the Scoring System to something like the Thirty30 format currently being considered by the ITF. (Tennis should be less about raw athleticism and more about Mental Prowess, court craft, and shot variety.)

 

[icedevil0289]

What it means? S&V boting maybe? I get that some people only like that kind of tennis, but that's not variety.

Today's players can hit each shot with much greater variety than ever, due to evolving techniques and racquet/string technology, introducing new ways to slice and spin the ball. Footwork needed to compete is much more demanding. Number of shots per rally %'s are more varied than ever.

okay. no one said anything about only s&v/botting but just lol at your entire statement

 

[Born_to_slice]

okay. no one said anything about only s&v/botting

My bad. I usually think that is what people are lamenting over.