The terrific numbers of grandpa Fed

[Lew II]

From 2014 Wimbledon to 2018 Rotterdam he went 15-0 against top5s not named Djokovic.

From 2014 Wimbledon to 2016 AO he went 23-2 against top10s not named Djokovic.

In the summer of 2015 he had a streak of 44 consecutive sets excluding the Slam finals vs Djokovic

From 2015 Wimbledon to 2018 Wimbledon R16 he went 51-2 in Slams against non-Djokovic players.

At Halle and Wimbledon 2017 he won 30 consecutive sets on grass.

From 2017 AO to 2017 Canada SF he won 29 consecutive matches in big tournaments. From 2017 AO to 2018 IW SF he went 53-3 in big tournaments.

In the last H2Hs he is 5-0 against Murray, 6-1 against Nadal, and 7-6 outside Slams against Djokovic.

He was 1 point away from being the only to beat Djokodal back to back in Slam semi and final (Wimbledon 2019).

He won 2017 AO beating 4 top10s.

He reached 2014 WI, 2015 WI, 2015 UO, 2017 WI, 2018 AO finals dropping 0/1 sets.

He won a Slam in his first tournament after a break of 6 months (2017 AO).

He won a Masters without losing serve (2015 Cincinnati).

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Weak field.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

 

[beard]

Well, he didn't say he's in best ever form for no reason...

But, Fed fans won't stop calling him declined shadow of "peak" Weakerarer... It's easier to bbittcchh best Fed ever, than to acknowledge there were better player than him...

 

[Third Serve]

From 2014 Wimbledon to 2018 Rotterdam he went 15-0 against top5s not named Djokovic.

From 2014 Wimbledon to 2016 AO he went 23-2 against top10s not named Djokovic.

In the summer of 2015 he had a streak of 44 consecutive sets excluding the Slam finals vs Djokovic

From 2015 Wimbledon to 2018 Wimbledon R16 he went 51-2 in Slams against non-Djokovic players.

At Halle and Wimbledon 2017 he won 30 consecutive sets on grass.

From 2017 AO to 2018 IW he went 54-3 in big tournaments.

In the last H2Hs he is 5-0 against Murray and 6-1 against Nadal.

He went 1 point away from being the only to beat Djokodal back to back in Slam semi and final.

He won 2017 AO beating 4 top10s.

He reached 2014 WI, 2015 WI, 2015 UO, 2017 WI, 2018 AO finals dropping 0/1 sets.

I'm seeing a trend here... Seems like a bit of a glaring omission to me.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

These numbers just make Fed greater btw

 

[Lew II]

I'm seeing a trend here... Seems like a bit of a glaring omission to me.

It's the player you don't wanna give credits to for beating him

 

[Lew II]

These numbers just make Fed greater btw

True, but don't they make Djokovic greater for beating him too?

 

[Third Serve]

You missed some of the more important stats here. Actual tournament wins. They count for something too, you know.

Slams: 3
Masters: 7
Overall titles: 26

 

[Third Serve]

It's the player you don't wanna give credits to for beating him

He does get plenty of credit for winning against Federer even when Fed is in his 30s. The old man still puts up a good fight most of the time which is why I give Djokovic due respect for winning those matches against him. I just think that the Fed of 2004-2009 is better in most regards, that's all. I'd probably feel the same if Sampras stayed on for eight more years after retiring in 2002.

 

[Lew II]

He does get plenty of credit for winning against Federer even when Fed is in his 30s. The old man still puts up a good fight most of the time which is why I give Djokovic due respect for winning those matches against him. I just think that the Fed of 2004-2009 is better in most regards, that's all. I'd probably feel the same if Sampras stayed on for eight more years after retiring in 2002.

How can you judge a player that never existed?

 

[PeoplesChamp]

True, but don't they make Djokovic greater for beating him too?

Not really because Djokovic was alone at the top for the most part. He couldn't help who was there, but these versions of Federer weren't what you try to make them out to be. Ocassionally, yes Federer was really good at times. Not like you need him to be though. Djokovic has experienced a weak era for longer than you like to admit.

 

[Third Serve]

How can you judge a player that never existed?

Well, given his career trajectory from 2000-onward, it seems reasonable to believe that Sampras would be quite a bit declined from his 1990s self, no?

 

[Third Serve]

^ At any rate, I think Agassi is probably a better analogy since he actually played for a portion of Fed's prime and didn't decline as quickly as Sampras did. However, it's tough to rate as he wasted many years of what could have been his prime in the 90s.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

I think of Kamikaze Fed in 2015 UO Final and I laugh because there's no way he does that in his peak. Don't think for a second that Federer did that because it was the only way in history to beat Djokovic. It was the only way he felt like at the time (2015) that he could beat Djokovic.

 

[Lew II]

I think of Kamikaze Fed in 2015 UO Final and I laugh because there's no way he does that in his peak. Don't think for a second that Federer did that because it was the only way in history to beat Djokovic. It was the only way he felt like at the time (2015) that he could beat Djokovic.

He simply used the same tactic that allowed him to win 44 consecutive sets in the other matches of that summer

 

[PeoplesChamp]

He simply used the same tactic that allowed him to win 44 consecutive sets in the other matches of that summer

He had great results and so did Djokovic. It helped that Nadal sucked, Delpo was M.I.A., Raonic (ya boy) lost early in slams etc.

 

[Lew II]

He had great results and so did Djokovic. It helps that Nadal sucked, Delpo was M.I.A., Raonic (ya boy) lost early in slams etc.

Murray in Wimbledon, Wawrinka at US Open, Murray/Djokovic in Cincinnati?

 

[PeoplesChamp]

Murray in Wimbledon, Wawrinka at US Open, Murray/Djokovic in Cincinnati?

Yes Murray and Wawrinka made their careers beating Djokovic in slam finals?

 

[Lew II]

Yes Murray and Wawrinka made their careers beating Djokovic in slam finals?

I meant the players that Federer beat in that summer.

 

[PeoplesChamp]

I meant the players that Federer beat in that summer.

Easy peasy for Federer.

Matchups, Lew.

 

[Lew II]

Federer in his first 20 matches outside Slams against Big4 --> 9-11

Federer in his last 20 matches outside Slams against Big4 --> 14-6

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

If you think Grandpa Fed is good, wait til Great Grandpa Fed

 

[PeoplesChamp]

If you think Grandpa Fed is good, wait til Great Grandpa Fed

 

[Nadal_Django]

So no Djokovic and Grandpa wins what? 9-10 slams, few more YECs and couple of YE #1!
Poor, old, crippled, physically incapacitated Grandpa Fed on crutches.

 

[Sysyphus]

yes, fed is a very good player even when he is old.

there you go, now you can stop making 50 threads a week to beat off this dead horse.

 

[Lew II]

Federer winning percentage outside Slams since 2008:

2017 - 36-4 (90.0%)
2014 - 54-8 (87.1%)
2015 - 45-7 (86.5%)
2019 - 35-6 (85.4%)
2012 - 52-9 (85.2%)
2011 - 44-8 (84.6%)
2010 - 45-10 (81.8%)
2018 - 36-8 (81.8%)
2008 - 42-12 (77.8%)
2009 - 35-10 (77.8%)
2013 - 32-13 (71.1%)
2016 - 11-5 (68.8%)

 

[junior74]

 

[Milanez82]

Well, given his career trajectory from 2000-onward, it seems reasonable to believe that Sampras would be quite a bit declined from his 1990s self, no?

Sampras was done and irrelevant when he retired which is exactly why he retired. He had that one last swan song run and chose right to retire on a high note.
If he stayed on his reality was losing in 1st rds on regular basis which was already the case in 2002. And that's despite the lack of top tier players in following years.

 

[Krish0608]

From 2014 Wimbledon to 2018 Rotterdam he went 15-0 against top5s not named Djokovic.

From 2014 Wimbledon to 2016 AO he went 23-2 against top10s not named Djokovic.

In the summer of 2015 he had a streak of 44 consecutive sets excluding the Slam finals vs Djokovic

From 2015 Wimbledon to 2018 Wimbledon R16 he went 51-2 in Slams against non-Djokovic players.

At Halle and Wimbledon 2017 he won 30 consecutive sets on grass.

From 2017 AO to 2018 IW he went 54-3 in big tournaments.

In the last H2Hs he is 5-0 against Murray, 6-1 against Nadal, and 7-6 outside Slams against Djokovic.

He went 1 point away from being the only to beat Djokodal back to back in Slam semi and final.

He won 2017 AO beating 4 top10s.

He reached 2014 WI, 2015 WI, 2015 UO, 2017 WI, 2018 AO finals dropping 0/1 sets.

He won a Slam in his first tournament after a break of 6 months (2017 AO).

Thanks for highlighting the greatness of post-prime 97erer. He was no Peak Federer, of course. But he was still pretty damn good.

 

[OldschoolKIaus]

19 > 16 > 7 (lol)

 

[ibbi]

1. Field that weak.
2. Fed that good.
3. Novak that far above the field that the comparison is meaningless.

 

[Lew II]

Thanks for highlighting the greatness of post-prime 97erer. He was no Peak Federer, of course. But he was still pretty damn good.

Debatable.

 

[DjokoGOAT]

Easy peasy for Federer.

Matchups, Lew.

“Peak” Federer vs Baby Murray first 8 matches: 2w/6l
Grandpa federer vs peak Murray last 8 matches: 6w/2l

 

[Username_]

federer is OPs fetish

 

[beard]

federer is OPs fetish

Another one

 

[tennis_pro]

He simply used the same tactic that allowed him to win 44 consecutive sets in the other matches of that summer

Against whom? Raonic? Nishikori? Berdych?

The competition sucked. There is no 34-year old in history who could dominate so much unless the competition was suckage galore.

 

[tennis_pro]

"Muh weak field" is all that Fed devotees have to defend his legacy at this point which is why it is the only card they play anymore.

Isn't it the only argument your people use to diss Fed? That the competition sucked in 2004-2007? back at you bobby

 

[Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil]

From 2017 AO to 2018 IW SF he went 54-3 in big tournaments.

No wonder he was having the time of his life while Djokovic was hugging trees. Quite pathetic that there was barely any resistance from the rest. Good thing that's over.

 

[ND-13]

Roger has been awesome. I am sure Nadal and Djokovic got the belief that one can do well in 30’s courtesy of Roger and it is natural they may go even one step better there

Roger has been that good but Djokovic has been clearly better this decade. It is to Roger’s credit he still lead the BO3 matches even this decade.

 

[weakera]

Isn't it the only argument your people use to diss Fed? That the competition sucked in 2004-2007? back at you bobby

Uh, no? The argument is that Federer got owned repeatedly by his rivals, on every surface, and that he is going to lose his only records that matter. Just check any Lew thread if you need a reference. The fact that 2004-2007 competition sucked is icing on the cake. Let's check back in 10 years and see how NextGen resumes compare to Roddick, Hewitt and Safin lol

 

[Phoenix1983]

From 2014 Wimbledon to 2018 Rotterdam he went 15-0 against top5s not named Djokovic.

From 2014 Wimbledon to 2016 AO he went 23-2 against top10s not named Djokovic.

In the summer of 2015 he had a streak of 44 consecutive sets excluding the Slam finals vs Djokovic

From 2015 Wimbledon to 2018 Wimbledon R16 he went 51-2 in Slams against non-Djokovic players.

At Halle and Wimbledon 2017 he won 30 consecutive sets on grass.

From 2017 AO to 2017 Canada SF he won 29 consecutive matches in big tournaments. From 2017 AO to 2018 IW SF he went 53-3 in big tournaments.

In the last H2Hs he is 5-0 against Murray, 6-1 against Nadal, and 7-6 outside Slams against Djokovic.

He was 1 point away from being the only to beat Djokodal back to back in Slam semi and final (Wimbledon 2019).

He won 2017 AO beating 4 top10s.

He reached 2014 WI, 2015 WI, 2015 UO, 2017 WI, 2018 AO finals dropping 0/1 sets.

He won a Slam in his first tournament after a break of 6 months (2017 AO).

He won a Masters without losing serve (2015 Cincinnati).

This is why he is the GOAT. He achieved such remarkable stats even a decade past his peak.

Thanks for the thread and stats, Lew.

 

[weakera]

I liked the OP. Lew's stats proved that Federer, the GOAT, is such an amazing player that, even a decade past his best in his mid-30s, he was beating everyone except a much younger ATG (Novak Djokovic).

Good for you having a healthy approach to this thread.

 

[Krish0608]

"Muh weak field" is all that Fed devotees have to defend his legacy at this point which is why it is the only card they play anymore.

Isn't it objective truth that Nadal needs Djokovic and Federer out of the way if he has to win a non-clay slam? This has been the case for the last 6 years. Case in point, USO 2017, 2019. The other slams Nadal would have won if not for Fedovic: AO 17, W'18, AO'19, W'19. So yeah, Nadal gets repeatedly "owned" by his rivals off-clay and is a huge beneficiary of the weak field.

 

[RelentlessAttack]

lmao lewis nice one, keep burying Djokovic’s accomplishments by exposing the inflation era

 

[tennis_pro]

Uh, no? The argument is that Federer got owned repeatedly by his rivals, on every surface, and that he is going to lose his only records that matter. Just check any Lew thread if you need a reference. The fact that 2004-2007 competition sucked is icing on the cake. Let's check back in 10 years and see how NextGen resumes compare to Roddick, Hewitt and Safin lol

They won't have a major obstacle in Fed who had an insane level and was super consistent for years. Federer will be gone 2 years from now, Djokovic/Nadal and every other Slam champion will be in their mid 30s. It's gonna be one gigantic swamp of Tsitsipas, Zverev, Thiem, Kyrgios etc. - they all have worse days and all can beat each other.

Take away Fed and all of Safin, Hewitt, Roddick add a couple of Slams to their resume. I bet 2022+ is gonna be like 2004-2007 without Fed only that the average level will be worse.

 

[Lew II]

This thread will become a classic.

 

[DjokoGOAT]

You cannot argue with the numbers. Grandpa Fed is his best version he just couldn’t beat Djokovic over BO5. No shame in losing to the GOAT.

Even regular top 10/top100 players are stronger now than in 2004-2007. Dangerous players like Millman, Seppi, Tsisipas and Dimitrov are more likely to cause an upset.

 

[weakera]

Isn't it objective truth that Nadal needs Djokovic and Federer out of the way if he has to win a non-clay slam? This has been the case for the last 6 years. Case in point, USO 2017, 2019. The other slams Nadal would have won if not for Fedovic: AO 17, W'18, AO'19, W'19. So yeah, Nadal gets repeatedly "owned" by his rivals off-clay and is a huge beneficiary of the weak field.

Nadal has beaten both in non-clay slams like 7 times so what you're spewing is complete nonsense conjecture. Federer by an eyelash isn't winless against Nadal at hardcourt slams. Federer and Djokovic have very conveniently avoided Nadal at many non-clay slams in recent years during which they would have been pummeled including the ones you reference lol. I was literally on my knees praying for Nadal to see Federer at either USO 17 or 19 so that he would complete the Fed Slam.

 

[weakera]

They won't have a major obstacle in Fed who had an insane level and was super consistent for years. Federer will be gone 2 years from now, Djokovic/Nadal and every other Slam champion will be in their mid 30s. It's gonna be one gigantic swamp of Tsitsipas, Zverev, Thiem, Kyrgios etc. - they all have worse days and all can beat each other.

Take away Fed and all of Safin, Hewitt, Roddick add a couple of Slams to their resume. I bet 2022+ is gonna be like 2004-2007 without Fed only that the average level will be worse.

All we know is more than a couple of them will build legacies and resumes which are leaps and bounds better than Safin, Hewitt and Roddick. The sad part is that it won't even be difficult to do. And as much as Federer fans will want to insist it's because they all suck and someone has to win, history never remembers it that way.