The TMF GOAT list

[messiahrobins]

He wasn’t far better he was just as good in 2015 he beat peak Djokovic 3 times. You are kind of proving my point Fed 2014-2015 was better than anyone bar Djokovic and 2017 seems he was better as he didn’t have Djokovic to stop him.

Feds best slams where Djokovic too and Djokovic cost Fed a lot post 2010 as Fed was still elite just not better than one person. When Djokovic went awol Fedal won 6 slams in a row so they did benefit too. All did as they are great but 66 slams was due to Fed having easier competition early and Djokovic late

Federer 2015 was nowhere near his 2017 level as in 2015 his back was an issue and had been for a few years. Its why he needed the change of racket to compensate for his reduced power due to the back so he could get more power on his shots again.
It is well documented that Federer should have changed rackets 5 years earlier.

 

[Ace7]

You are talking about historical results. If that was relevant Nadal would still be winning the FO for another 5 years!
You have to look at current form. Federer in 2017 was far better than at any time from 10-16.

seriously what is wrong with these people.

 

[DjokoLand]

Federer 2015 was nowhere near his 2017 level as in 2015 his back was an issue and had been for a few years. Its why he needed the change of racket to compensate for his reduced power due to the back so he could get more power on his shots again.
It is well documented that Federer should have changed rackets 5 years earlier.

You are taking the **** Fed 17 was great but 15 was way better. Just because the results didn’t go his way makes 17 better on paper but even the US15 final Fed was better then AO17 just don’t take his BP’s.

Also you said 17 was better then Fed 12 which is actually hilarious

 

[messiahrobins]

You are taking the **** Fed 17 was great but 15 was way better. Just because the results didn’t go his way makes 17 better on paper but even the US15 final Fed was better then AO17 just don’t take his BP’s.

Also you said 17 was better then Fed 12 which is actually hilarious

I can only assume you didnt watch the respective matches. Federer's BH was light years better than at any point since 2008 arguably in 2017.

 

[DjokoLand]

I can only assume you didnt watch the respective matches. Federer's BH was light years better than at any point since 2008 arguably in 2017.

I think it is you forgetting Fed for example at USO15 didn’t drop a set to the final also at IW15 and Rome. He was crushing anyone not named Djokovic. If not for prime Djokovic Fed 15 would be one of Fee best seasons

 

[Ace7]

I think it is you forgetting Fed for example at USO15 didn’t drop a set to the final also at IW15 and Rome. He was crushing anyone not named Djokovic. If not for prime Djokovic Fed 15 would be one of Fee best seasons

True ! while also crushing his way into the wim 15 final dropping only 1 Set on his way with and incredible performance vs prime murray in the semi final.

 

[DjokoLand]

True ! while also crushing his way into the wim 15 final dropping only 1 Set on his way with and incredible performance vs prime murray in the semi final.

He also beat Djokovic 3 times and made the F of the WTF’s. Fed 15 season was simply him being the best by a mile over anyone not named Djokovic and he was better than 2017.

Since Djokovic was awol in 2017 imagine he was in 2015 Fed would have had 2 slams 4/5 masters and a WTF

 

[Ace7]

He also beat Djokovic 3 times and made the F of the WTF’s. Fed 15 season was simply him being the best by a mile over anyone not named Djokovic and he was better than 2017.

Since Djokovic was awol in 2017 imagine he was in 2015 Fed would have had 2 slams 4/5 masters and a WTF

exactly lol. It would have been an absolute beast season from Fed if Novak didnt stop him.

 

[fedfan24]

He also beat Djokovic 3 times and made the F of the WTF’s. Fed 15 season was simply him being the best by a mile over anyone not named Djokovic and he was better than 2017.

Since Djokovic was awol in 2017 imagine he was in 2015 Fed would have had 2 slams 4/5 masters and a WTF

not sure about that. 17 Federer’s baseline game was much stronger than 15, on both sides. He had the 6 months out in 2016 to fine tune his game to the new racket under Ljubicic. Serve and net game a little better in 15.

 

[Jonesy]

TMF adapted to survive just like any endangered species.

 

[THUNDERVOLLEY]

I think the reason he is mocked is not that he wrongly predicted that per se and had too much confidence (as you say, nobody could have predicted Djoko beating Fed’s records at that time), but that he copy-pasted that over and over again as a decisive discussion-ender as long as his fav was ahead, but now did a 180 and found his love for context, eye-test, “GOAT does not exist”, “slams won as father should count more” and so on.

Yes, his "there am no GOAT" (largely due to Federer being incapable of winning the Grand Slam), threads regurgitating his "Djokovic Wimbledons opponents mean his wins not mean as much as Federer's" desperate nonsense, and let us not forget the ever-ridiculous "career inflation" theory, etc., all to place that tin crown on Federer's head.

 

[DjokoLand]

not sure about that. 17 Federer’s baseline game was much stronger than 15, on both sides. He had the 6 months out in 2016 to fine tune his game to the new racket under Ljubicic. Serve and net game a little better in 15.

2015 his movement was much better than 2017 too. Fed in 2015 while he was slowing down he still glided around the court and his serve and volley was a good bit better than 2017.

I will agree that Fed in 2017 was better from the baseline than 2015 but I still feel 2015 was better. He made 11 finals in 2015 and had a record of 63-11 and if Djokovic wasn’t in his prime he most likely ends that season with a 68-6 record and 11 titles.

The point of this was that Fed really was unlucky as he from 32 to 37 years old was still elite and only Djokovic stopped him.

 

[Ace7]

2015 his movement was much better than 2017 too. Fed in 2015 while he was slowing down he still glided around the court and his serve and volley was a good bit better than 2017.

I will agree that Fed in 2017 was better from the baseline than 2015 but I still feel 2015 was better. He made 11 finals in 2015 and had a record of 63-11 and if Djokovic wasn’t in his prime he most likely ends that season with a 68-6 record and 11 titles.

The point of this was that Fed really was unlucky as he from 32 to 37 years old was still elite and only Djokovic stopped him.

If i can make a comparison with football federer 2015 is like Messi 2018/2019 maybe he doesnt have that pure overpowered athletic ability anymore ( while he was still very good in that deparment ) just not god mode. he now instead is very complete as a player with the freekicks, the playmaking, he carried the whole barca team back then with his all around game.

 

[GoatNo1]

Player of the decade
2010 - 2019 (this is not correkt becose it was not year 0, it should be 2011-2020) No1e (15 slams)
2000 - 2009: Federer (15 slams)
1990 - 1999: Sampras (12 slams)
1980 - 1989: Lendl (7 slams)
1970 - 1979: Borg (8 slams)
1960 - 1969: Laver (5 open era, 6 amateur, 8 pro majors)

Most GS titles
1. No1e 24 (3 CGS)
2. Rafa 22 (2 CGS)
3. Roger Federer 17(career slam)
4. Pete Sampras 14
5. Björn Borg 11
6. Andre Agassi 8(career slam)
= Ivan Lendl 8
= Jimmy Connors 8
9. John McEnroe 7
= Mats Wilander 7
11. Stefan Edberg 6
= Boris Becker 6

GS finals
1. No1e 36
2. Roger Federer 31
3. Rafael Nadal 30*
4. Ivan Lendl 19
5. Pete Sampras 18
6. Björn Borg 16
7. Jimmy Connors 15
= Andre Agassi 15
9. John McEnroe 11
= Mats Wilander 11
= Stefan Edberg 11

Consecutive GS titles (NEW)
1-2. Nole 4, laver 4
3-10. 3x No1e 3, 2x Fed 3, Rafa 3, Sampras 3

Consecutive GS finals
1. Roger Federer 10
2. Roger Federer 8
3. No1e 6
4. Rafael Nadal 5
= No1e 5
6. Andre Agassi 4
= Rod Laver 4
= Novak Djokovic 4
= No1e 4

GS semi-finals
1. No1e 48
2. Roger Federer 46
3. Rafa 38
4. Jimmy Connors 31
5. Ivan Lendl 28
6. Andre Agassi 26
7. Pete Sampras 23
8. John McEnroe 19
= Stefan Edberg 19
9. Boris Becker 18
10. Björn Borg 17


Consecutive GS semi-finals
1. Roger Federer 23
2. Novak Djokovic 14
3. Ivan Lendl 10
4. Ivan Lendl 6
= Nadal 6
6. Novak Djokovic 5
= Andy Murray 5
= Boris Becker 5
9. Roger Federer 4
= Rod Laver 4
= Tony Roche 4
= John McEnroe 4
= Andre Agassi 4
= Jim Courer 4
= Nadal 4

GS quarter-finals
1. No1e 58
= Roger Federer 58
3. Rafa 47
4. Jimmy Connors 41
5. Agassi 36
6. Ivan Lendl 34
7. Pete Sampras 29
8. John McEnroe 26
= Stefan Edberg 26
10. Boris Becker 23
11. Björn Borg 21

Consecutive GS quarter-finals
1. Roger Federer 36
2. Novak Djokovic 28
3. Ivan Lendl 14
= Andy Murray 14
5. Rafael Nadal 11?
6. Pete Sampras 10
7. Ivan Lendl 7
= Mats Wilander 7
9. Andre Agassi 6
= Rafael Nadal 6

All Four Slams Per Year season
Rod Laver 1969

Three Slams Per Year season
Jimmy Connors 1974
Mats Wilander 1988
Roger Federer 2004
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Rafael Nadal 2010
Novak Djokovic 2011, 2015, 2021, 2023


All Four Finals Per year season
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2009
Rod Laver 1969
Nole 2015, 2021, 2023

All Four Semi-finals Per Year
Rod Laver 1969
Ivan Lendl 1987
Roger Federer 2005
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2008
Roger Federer 2009
Rafael Nadal 2008??
Novak Djokovic 2011
Novak Djokovic 2012
Novak Djokovic 2013, 2015, 2021, 2023
Andy Murray 2011

Most consecutive matches won at one Grand Slam event:???
1. Björn Borg (Wimbledon), 41
2. Roger Federer (Wimbledon), 40(41 if count the walk-over in 2007)
= Roger Federer (US Open), 40
4. Rafael Nadal (French Open), 35
5. Pete Sampras (Wimbledon), 31

Most consecutive matches won on all GSs: (NEW)
1. Nole 30
2-6. 3x No1e, 2x Fed
7-8. Lavr 26, No1e 26

Most Grand Slam match wins
1. Roger Federer 369
= No1e 369
3. Rafa 314
4. Jimmy Connors 233
5. Andre Agassi 224
6. Ivan Lendl 222
7. Pete Sampras 204

GS W% (NEW)
1. Borg 89,2%
2. No1e 88,2%
3. Rafa 87,7%
4. Fed 86,0%

AO W%
1. No1e 91,3%
2. Agassi 90,6%
3. Fed 87,2%
...
6. Rafa 82,8%

RG W%
1. Rafa 96,6%
2. Borg 96,1%
3. No1e 85,5%
...
8. Fed 81.1%

W W%
1. Borg 92,7%
2. Sampras 90,0%
3. No1e 89,3%
4. Fed 88,2%
...
8. Rafa 82,9%

USO W%
1. Sampras 88,8%
2. No1e 87,1%
3. Fed 86,4%
...
6. Rafa 84,8%

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Minimum at each Grand Slam tournament totals (NEW)​

titles
1. No1e 3
2. Rafa 2
3-5. Fed, 1 Laver, 1 Agassi 1

Finals
1. No1e 7
2-3. Rafa 5, Fed 5

SF
1. No1e 13
2. Fed 12
3. Rafa 8

Mach W
1. No1e 88
2. Fed 73
3. Rafa 58


Other Stuff:

Year-End Championships
1. No1e 7
1. Roger Federer 6
2. Ivan Lendl 5
= Pete Sampras 5
5. Ilie Nastase 3
= John McEnroe 3
= Boris Becker 3

Most Year-End Championship finals
1. Federer 10
2. No1e
= Ivan Lendl 9
4. Boris Becker 8
5. Pete Sampras 6
6. Ilie Năstase 5
7. Bjorn Borg 4
= John McEnroe 4
= Andre Agassi 4
10. Lleyton Hewitt 3

Most Weeks at #1
1. No1e 428
2. Roger Federer 302
3. Pete Sampras 286
4. Ivan Lendl 270
5. Jimmy Connors 268
6. Rafa 209
7. John McEnroe 170
8. Björn Borg 109
9. Andre Agassi 101
10. Lleyton Hewitt 80


Consecutive Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer (1) 237
2. Jimmy Connors (1) 160
3. Ivan Lendl (1) 157
4. No1e (1) 122
5. Pete Sampras (1) 102
6. Jimmy Connors (2) 84
7. Pete Sampras (2) 82
8. Ivan Lendl (2) 80
10. No1e (2) 79

Year End #1
1. No1e 8
2. Sampras 6
3. Federer 5
= Connors 5
=Rafa 5
6. McEnroe 4
= Lendl 4


Highest Season Winning Percentage???
1. John McEnroe (1984) .965 82–3
2. Jimmy Connors (1974) .959 93–4
3. Roger Federer (2005) .953 81–4
4. Roger Federer (2006) .948 92–5
5. Björn Borg (1979) .933 84–6
6. Roger Federer (2004) .925 74–6
= Ivan Lendl (1986) .925 74–6
8. Ivan Lendl (1985) .923 84–7
9. Ivan Lendl (1982) .922 106–9
10. Björn Borg (1980) .921 70–6
= Novak Djokovic (2011) 0.921 70-6
12. Ivan Lendl (1989) .919 79-7
13. Rafael Nadal (2013) .915 75-7
14. Ivan Lendl (1987) .914 74-7

Most ATP Titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Fed 103
3. No1e 98
4. Ivan Lendl 94
5. Rafa 92
6. John McEnroe 77
7. Björn Borg 64
= Pete Sampras 64
9. Guillermo Vilas 62
10. Andre Agassi 60

Most match wins versus top 10
1. No1e 256
2. Federer 223
3. Rafa 186
4. Lendl 143
5. Sampras 124
6. Connors 121
7. Becker 113
8. Agassi 107
9. McEnroe 105
10. Edberg 98

W% vs top10 (NEW)
1. No1e 69,95%
2. Borg 69,64%
3. Laver 67,37%
...
5. Rafa 64,58%
6. Fed 64,45%

Most Master Series or equivalent win
1. No1e 40
2. Rafael Nadal 36
3. Fed 28
4. Ivan Lendl 22
5. John McEnroe 19
6. Andre Agassi 17
= Jimmny Connors 17
8. Bjorn Borg 15
9. Boris Becker 13
10. Pete Sampras 11

Consecutive Match Win Streak
1. Guillermo Vilas 46 1977
2. Ivan Lendl 44 1981–82
3. Novak Djokovic 43 2010–11
4. John McEnroe 42 1984
5. Roger Federer 41 2006–07
= Björn Borg 41 1979–80
7. Björn Borg 35 1978
= Thomas Muster 35 1995
= Roger Federer 35 2005
10.Jimmy Connors 33 1974

Golden Masters (NEW)
1. No1e 2
end of list

Highest ATP points Record 16950 (No1e) (NEW)

H2H: Nole>Rafa>Fed (NEW)

 

[messiahrobins]

I think it is you forgetting Fed for example at USO15 didn’t drop a set to the final also at IW15 and Rome. He was crushing anyone not named Djokovic. If not for prime Djokovic Fed 15 would be one of Fee best seasons

It is 9 years ago lol. I need to revisit these old matches.

 

[GoatNo1]

I think it is you forgetting Fed for example at USO15 didn’t drop a set to the final also at IW15 and Rome. He was crushing anyone not named Djokovic. If not for prime Djokovic Fed 15 would be one of Fee best seasons

the same with rafa 2011. he lost 6 (+AO12) big finals vs nole that season. was it not for nole 2011 would be rafas clearly best season.

EDIT
even muzza in 2015-16 lost to nole a lot of big matches:

2015:
AO F
IW SF
miami F
RG SF
shanghai SF
paris F

h2h: 6-1

2016:
AO F
madrid F
RG F

h2h: 3-2

nole is a most common opponent to fed, rafa, muzza and wawa who was the best 4 players after himself in the last 20 years!

 

[fedfan24]

You are taking the **** Fed 17 was great but 15 was way better. Just because the results didn’t go his way makes 17 better on paper but even the US15 final Fed was better then AO17 just don’t take his BP’s.

Also you said 17 was better then Fed 12 which is actually hilarious

17 Federer was light years better than 15 Federer from the baseline. Maybe 15 fed was marginally better on serve&v which counts for little in modern game. 17 Federer as much, much better at both FH and BH, the staple of modern game tennis. 2015 Federer was a weakling vs Djokovic over BO5.

How was 15 Federer better? Did you watch the matches? 15 Djokovic completely dictated him at Wimbledon. 15 Federer had poor tactics, standing too close to baseline, perhaps because he didn’t have the movement or speed to stand further back. Djokovic bossed him. Nowhere near prime Federer in a million years. 2012 Federer wins in 4. I won’t even discuss a peak version like 2005 as it will be a bloodbath.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

17 Federer was light years better than 15 Federer from the baseline. Maybe 15 fed was marginally better on serve&v which counts for little in modern game. 17 Federer as much, much better at both FH and BH, the staple of modern game tennis. 2015 Federer was a weakling vs Djokovic over BO5.

How was 15 Federer better? Did you watch the matches? 15 Djokovic completely dictated him at Wimbledon. 15 Federer had poor tactics, standing too close to baseline, perhaps because he didn’t have the movement or speed to stand further back. Djokovic bossed him. Nowhere near prime Federer in a million years. 2012 Federer wins in 4. I won’t even discuss a peak version like 2005 as it will be a bloodbath.

I've said it before: Djo fans would not give two hoots about Federer in 2015 if he lost in the SF at W and the USO.