The Top 4 Draw for the Semis will be....

The SF draw for the Top 4 WILL be....


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CDNguy87

Hall of Fame
I don't think we really need to start yet another whole new discussion on rigged draws, but I thought I would just make a simple, open poll to see where people stand on this.

In theory, assuming a fair, unrigged draw, there is a 50/50 chance that the potential SF match-ups will be Djokovic/Ferrer & Federer/Nadal and a 50/50 chance they will be Djokovic/Nadal & Federer/Ferrer. In essence, with an unrigged draw, this polll is akin to asking you to predict the outcome of a coin toss.

However, the recent history of Slam draws has many people suspecting (myself included) that draws may not be untainted and common sense suggests organizers have a huge incentive (more than any Slam in recent memory) to place Nadal and Djokovic in different halves. As a result, I'm expecting a completely lop-sided poll result even though this is in theory like choosing between "heads" and "tails".

Cast your vote for what you think will happen and we'll see how it turns out tomorrow.
 

underground

G.O.A.T.
LOL what a completely contradictory thread, saying you don't want to start something about rigged draws yet you just did. And asking for the opinions though you said already people would think Djokovic and Nadal would be in different halves.
 

CDNguy87

Hall of Fame
LOL what a completely contradictory thread, saying you don't want to start something about rigged draws yet you just did. And asking for the opinions though you said already people would think Djokovic and Nadal would be in different halves.

I really just want to get the official numbers on this before people have the benefit of hindsight. It's been discussed to death but I only wanted to do a clear-cut poll.

And even though I know how the poll results will generally turn out, I'm curious how lop-sided it will be.
 

6-1 6-3 6-0

Banned
This thread is completely pointless.

The first option will get the most votes.

If we get an RFederer/RNadal semi-final, people will claim that the draw is rigged.

If we get an RFederer/DFerrer semi-final, people will... still claim that the draw is rigged and that they were just trying to balance out the other rigged draws.

Hopefully this thread will be deleted along with the rest of the garbage being posted on this forum. :p
 

1477aces

Hall of Fame
No. They want a fedal final. For the casual fan, that still has the most interest meaning more tickets and viewers.
 

6-1 6-3 6-0

Banned
What exactly is this thread meant to show, other than that Talk Tennis consists of a bunch of brainless RNadal-hating conspiracy theorists? :p
 
No. They want a fedal final. For the casual fan, that still has the most interest meaning more tickets and viewers.

Fedal finals on clay are great if your a Nadal fan like the idiot above. The Rome final though was so one sided and the crowd appeared disappointed, don't you think that's enough for the French draw fixers to avoid that final at all costs?

If I'm wrong you all have my permission to QUOTE ME.

MC final > Rome final.
 

CDNguy87

Hall of Fame
Fedal finals on clay are great if your a Nadal fan like the idiot above. The Rome final though was so one sided and the crowd appeared disappointed, don't you think that's enough for the French draw fixers to avoid that final at all costs?

If I'm wrong you all have my permission to QUOTE ME.

MC final > Rome final.


Ditto. If Nadal and Djoker are in the same half, that will completely eliminate my suspicions about rigged draws. But I can't see it happening because I don't think organizers want to risk having a complete dud for a final, which is what it probably will be if it's one of Djoker or Nadal against either Fed or Ferrer.
 
Ditto. If Nadal and Djoker are in the same half, that will completely eliminate my suspicions about rigged draws. But I can't see it happening because I don't think organizers want to risk having a complete dud for a final, which is what it probably will be if it's one of Djoker or Nadal against either Fed or Ferrer.

Interesting to see who goes into ferrer's quater because on paper if its a fix some of the big threats to the big 3 should be in there. That means Dimitrov, Tsonga, Gulbis could be in ferrers quater. I don't think they are that concerned about Nadal he should win through in 5 sets over all of them but Djokovic won't get a hard draw.
 

The Bawss

Banned
Ditto. If Nadal and Djoker are in the same half, that will completely eliminate my suspicions about rigged draws. But I can't see it happening because I don't think organizers want to risk having a complete dud for a final, which is what it probably will be if it's one of Djoker or Nadal against either Fed or Ferrer.

This. If Nadal and Djokovic end up in the same half of the draw I will quit this forum.
 
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CDNguy87

Hall of Fame
Interesting to see who goes into ferrer's quater because on paper if its a fix some of the big threats to the big 3 should be in there. That means Dimitrov, Tsonga, Gulbis could be in ferrers quater. I don't think they are that concerned about Nadal he should win through in 5 sets over all of them but Djokovic won't get a hard draw.


Yeah, assuming it's rigged, I think they would put someone like Gulbis in Nadal's section early on just to make things interesting. I could see maybe Dimitrov being put in Djoker's section as well to create an interesting match-up, as long as they're convinced neither really pose a major threat for an upset. Tsonga would also definitely end up in Federer or Ferrer's quarter (probably Fed actually) since he may be the greatest threat to the dream final.

In all honestly though, I'm still not convinced it'll be rigged beyond the Semis for the Top 4. It could well be a random draw aside from the one caveat of allowing Nadal and Djoker the possibility to play in the Final.
 

CDNguy87

Hall of Fame
No. They want a fedal final. For the casual fan, that still has the most interest meaning more tickets and viewers.

Rubbish. After AO 2012, Nadal-Djokovic is the dream matchup now, especially on clay. The days of Fedal hype overshadowing every other potential rivalry/match-up are long gone (but that's not to say they wouldn't want Fedal as an ideal Semi-Final match-up).
 
Yeah, assuming it's rigged, I think they would put someone like Gulbis in Nadal's section early on just to make things interesting. I could see maybe Dimitrov being put in Djoker's section as well to create an interesting match-up, as long as they're convinced neither really pose a major threat for an upset. Tsonga would also definitely end up in Federer or Ferrer's quarter (probably Fed actually) since he may be the greatest threat to the dream final.

In all honestly though, I'm still not convinced it'll be rigged beyond the Semis for the Top 4. It could well be a random draw aside from the one caveat of allowing Nadal and Djoker the possibility to play in the Final.

No way will Dimitrov be in Djokovic's quater, why would they risk that when there is $$$$ on the line. Sure it would be interesting for you and me but a nightmare for the tournament director. Djokovic is in poor form and Seppi and Tsonga nearly beat him last year, his draw will be easy.
 

FreeBird

Legend
This thread is completely pointless.

The first option will get the most votes.

If we get an RFederer/RNadal semi-final, people will claim that the draw is rigged.

If we get an RFederer/DFerrer semi-final, people will... still claim that the draw is rigged and that they were just trying to balance out the other rigged draws.

Hopefully this thread will be deleted along with the rest of the garbage being posted on this forum. :p

1st sensible thing I heard from you.
 

papertank

Hall of Fame
Definitely a lot more likely that Nadal will be in Djokovic's half. You are kidding yourself if you think that Fedal is not still the premiere matchup for fans for a final in any tournament.
 

tennis_hack

Banned
Was there ever any doubt?

The most enticing match-up will 'randomly' be saved for the very end.

Nadal gets Federer, Ferrer gets Djokovic.
 

wintintu

Hall of Fame
don't we just know it will be Djokovic getting Ferrer in his half and Federer getting Rafa in his. Rafa and Nole will be kept apart for sure!! Blog for RG Preview below :)
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
No. They want a fedal final. For the casual fan, that still has the most interest meaning more tickets and viewers.
It does seem that is correct. In 2011 and 2012, Djokovic and Nadal were top seeds. Fed could have theoretically fallen either in Djoko or in Nadal's half. By pure coincidence (of course), he avoided Nadal's half both times. Will there be a 3peat? Or have the organizers finally understood that a Fedal final would be an excruciatingly boring one-sided affair?
 
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WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
No. They want a fedal final. For the casual fan, that still has the most interest meaning more tickets and viewers.

They want epic matches that they can hype up like Wimbledon F 2008 to promote the sport. Seeing Roger get obliterated in the final does nothing for the ATP. However, there is the strong possibility of Djokovic beating Nadal in the semis and a Joker/Fed final would be a big draw and possibly epic match.

On the other hand, they probably want the defending champ in the final as people will always tune in to (hopefully) see him lose.

In order to properly answer the poll though, I would need to see the viewers for Fedal finals vs. Nadal/Joker finals. I'm assuming that they want a Nadal/Joker final since they rigged the first few masters tournaments that way.

So I guess the answer to this question isn't as clear as I thought it was, but I'm almost certain that they want Nadal in Fed's half and that it will happen that way.
 
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mariecon

Hall of Fame
I hope my prediction doesn't come true. If the draw is truly random then there's a 50/50 chance that Fed will get Ferrer. If Djoker gets Ferrer for the 3rd straight slam then we can pretty much say with confidence that the fix is in.
 

WhiskeyEE

G.O.A.T.
I hope my prediction doesn't come true. If the draw is truly random then there's a 50/50 chance that Fed will get Ferrer. If Djoker gets Ferrer for the 3rd straight slam then we can pretty much say with confidence that the fix is in.

it was obvious like 2 years ago. I remember bringing this stuff up back then and everyone called me a crazy conspiracy theorist and now almost everyone's on my side.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Definitely a lot more likely that Nadal will be in Djokovic's half. You are kidding yourself if you think that Fedal is not still the premiere matchup for fans for a final in any tournament.

Fedal hasn't been the dream matchup for a final since 2010.
 

CDNguy87

Hall of Fame
Exactly 75% think the "coin toss" will turn out the way that conveniently suits the ATP/tournament. Interesting but not surprising.

Also, if I/the vast majority are completely wrong on this and Djokovic and Nadal end up in the same half, I'll take a 2 month break from posting.
 
Will be djoker/Ferru , nadal and federer *rigs* however suppose if draw is not rigged and fed falls on nadal half , ppl will definitely say its rigged, so why not rig it and place djoker and nadal in the same half.
 

ditli04

Rookie
I want to say it's just a toss up, but I am not sure. Rumours saying, that the Champions League drawing in Soccer was manipulated through hot and cold balls. I think there are ways to cheat, so ...
 
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pds999

Hall of Fame
This thread is completely pointless.

The first option will get the most votes.

If we get an RFederer/RNadal semi-final, people will claim that the draw is rigged.

If we get an RFederer/DFerrer semi-final, people will... still claim that the draw is rigged and that they were just trying to balance out the other rigged draws.

Hopefully this thread will be deleted along with the rest of the garbage being posted on this forum. :p

Very fair points actually.
 

pds999

Hall of Fame
Fedal hasn't been the dream matchup for a final since 2010.

Agreed. Plus if Nadal isn't in Djokovic's half they could get Nadal vs Federer semi then Nadal vs Djokovic final. If it is the other way around it could end up a Djokovic vs Federer final which won't be as anticipated.
 
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tennis_hack

Banned
As usual, 75% of Talk Tennis is wrong. :p

Let me guess, Djokovic being in Nadal's half is the best thing possible for Nadal, no? Because it will allow Nadal to dispatch Djokovic in the semi's and mirror the Sampras/Agassi head-to-head?

And if Nadal gets beaten by Djokovic in the semi's, it will be the best thing possible for Nadal, no? Because it will allow Nadal to come back and win Wimbledon and the US Open, surpassing Borg, making him a more all-surface player, and becoming the hard-court GOAT?
 

kragster

Hall of Fame
As always the swiss mafia exercises their power to get Federer a powder puff draw when it matters the most. They did it in 2009 where they switched Nadal's pudding with haggis which threw him off for the Sod match . And now they have bought out RG through money and the promise to name his 3rd child Gilbert Ysern. I suspect that Grandpa fed will get to play the exhausted winner of DJokodal and they will make fed's side of the court indoor and low bouncing.


On a serious note, anyone think Ferrer now has a 2% chance open up? Given his consistency he will definitely make it to the semi. If Fed slips somewhere in his draw given his current form , Ferrer would beat whoever else is in the semi.If Djokovic takes out Nadal in the other half, Ferrer would have at least a punchers chance vs Djokovic in the finals me thinks.

Ferrer to troll TW at RG 2013!
 
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tennis_hack

Banned
I don't know why everyone says Ferrer will be a pushover for Federer. Ferrer is starting to play smarter now - looking to venture to the net to finish, taking the backhand early and striking it well, and has started winning sets off Nadal on clay.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
I don't know why everyone says Ferrer will be a pushover for Federer. Ferrer is starting to play smarter now - looking to venture to the net to finish, taking the backhand early and striking it well, and has started winning sets off Nadal on clay.

I agree. Given Fed's abysmal form combined with Ferrer's resilience should make for an interesting match should they meet. However, I think Fed will have an early exit this year going by his form so far. I think we may have a Berdych/Tsonga or Ferrer/Tsonga SF for all you know.
 

Clarky21

Banned
I agree. Given Fed's abysmal form combined with Ferrer's resilience should make for an interesting match should they meet. However, I think Fed will have an early exit this year going by his form so far. I think we may have a Berdych/Tsonga or Ferrer/Tsonga SF for all you know.

Ferrer is not beating Fed. No way no how will it happen.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
As always the swiss mafia exercises their power to get Federer a powder puff draw when it matters the most. They did it in 2009 where they switched Nadal's pudding with haggis which threw him off for the Sod match . And now they have bought out RG through money and the promise to name his 3rd child Gilbert Ysern. I suspect that Grandpa fed will get to play the exhausted winner of DJokodal and they will make fed's side of the court indoor and low bouncing.


On a serious note, anyone think Ferrer now has a 2% chance open up? Given his consistency he will definitely make it to the semi. If Fed slips somewhere in his draw given his current form , Ferrer would beat whoever else is in the semi.If Djokovic takes out Nadal in the other half, Ferrer would have at least a punchers chance vs Djokovic in the finals me thinks.

Ferrer to troll TW at RG 2013!
I don't know what you're smoking but I want some! There is no universe in which Ferrer would beat either Djoko or Fed in a slam. Sorry. (And especially at RG where historically Ferrer has never done well. He won't even reach the semi imo).
 
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