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New off-season thread.

The Top 5 of the Open Era, in order:

Federer
Nadal
Sampras
Borg
Laver

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Firstservingman said:
New off-season thread.

The Top 5 of the Open Era, in order:

Federer
Nadal
Sampras
Borg
Laver

How did I do?
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Looks reasonable in terms of their GS achievements. Although there are a group of players who won more Slams than Laver did in the open era (5) I assume his 1969 CYGS leapfrogged him ahead of them?
 
Mainad said:
Looks reasonable in terms of their GS achievements. Although there are a group of players who won more Slams than Laver did in the open era (5) I assume his 1969 CYGS leapfrogged him ahead of them?
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Basically yeah.

Also, he is Australian, which gives him a boost. ;)
 
Roger Federer: For me, Pete is the greatest. He is my hero. Stefan Edbergh, Boris and Pete. He was my inspiration. Without Pete, I wouldn't have tried to chase his record. For me, he is the greatest ever
 
Firstservingman said:
New off-season thread.

The Top 5 of the Open Era, in order:

Federer
Nadal
Sampras
Borg
Laver

How did I do?
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No argument here. My personal preference would be in different order, but accomplishment wise, yup, it's a good list.
I voted Option 4 because I've:
A) been brainwashed by the repetition
B) Tis the season of goodwill
C) it caused me endless amusement
D) all of the above
:)
 
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Hilarious poll. :lol: well done. I voted for options 5, 6, and 7 from the top because they were the funniest to me. What is a Borg? had me in knots.

Personally though, I'm still wondering where the "Image is everything?" option is. ;)
 
TheNatural said:
Roger Federer: For me, Pete is the greatest. He is my hero. Stefan Edbergh, Boris and Pete. He was my inspiration. Without Pete, I wouldn't have tried to chase his record. For me, he is the greatest ever
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What else is he supposed to say when Pete is sitting next to him and the journalist asks him who he thinks to be the greatest? I am sure as hell that he does not believe that himself. Pete also said that he considered Federer to be the greatest in the same interview. The idiot journalist made them do push ups for charity. Apparently some guy was donating $500 to some children's charity for each push up they do. Both Federer and Sampras did 30 each lol, which was impressive, especially for Pete. Pete was my favorite player and I started watching tennis because of him but it is hard to argue that he is the GOAT. (Personally I am not a big fan of the GOAT concept)
 
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zep said:
What else is he supposed to say when Pete is sitting next to him and the journalist asks him who he thinks to be the greatest? I am sure as hell that he does not believe that himself. Pete also said that he considered Federer to be the greatest in the same interview. The idiot journalist made them do push ups for charity. Apparently some guy was donating $500 to some children's charity for each push up they do. Both Federer and Sampras did 30 each lol, which was impressive, especially for Pete. Pete was my favorite player and I started watching tennis because of him but it is hard to argue that he is the GOAT. (Personally I am not a big fan of the GOAT concept)
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I think you're taking things a mite too seriously.

BTW, what an arrogant claim by Feds! :twisted:
 
TheMusicLover said:
I think you're taking things a mite too seriously.

BTW, what an arrogant claim by Feds! :twisted:
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Fed has always been arrogant although his PR has made him look like the nicest guy ever on the outside. Sometimes the real Federer does come out like his bitter press conference after the RG 2011 final. :twisted:
 
zep said:
Fed has always been arrogant although his PR has made him look like the nicest guy ever on the outside. Sometimes the real Federer does come out like his bitter press conference after the RG 2011 final. :twisted:
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I get the impression you didn't really understand my post.
 
Federer
Nadal
Sampras
Connors
Borg



Federer is obvious. I hate to put nadal on the list because he doesn't play Classic tennis, he spins everything. Still he has proven himself and deserves the 2 spot. Sampras because everybody says so. Connors because he won a lot of titles, played for a very long time, was a fighter like nadal and didn't posses any special shot but fought and was very consistent. Borg because of the respect he gets.
 
Pretty much.
I'd still put Laver second, that CYGS is unmatched after all.
Sampras and Nadal are virtually tied, edge to Nadal as he has the CGS.
Borg closes it. If only he could've had a longer career...
 
TheNatural said:
Roger Federer: For me, Pete is the greatest. He is my hero. Stefan Edbergh, Boris and Pete. He was my inspiration. Without Pete, I wouldn't have tried to chase his record. For me, he is the greatest ever
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You should have, to be quite fair, quoted what Pete said of Roger in the same media event, that Roger for him is the greatest ever.
 
zep said:
Fed has always been arrogant although his PR has made him look like the nicest guy ever on the outside. Sometimes the real Federer does come out like his bitter press conference after the RG 2011 final. :twisted:
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Thank heavens.. all this fake, cloying humility is quite sickening
 
clayqueen said:
Sampras has NO clay slam. Nadal has at least 1 slam on every surface and Nadal is GOAT of M1000 so how can Sampras be above him?
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Because he spent twice as long at #1, had 3 more YE#1 and won the WTF 5 times? Oh and dominated two surfaces rather than just the one.
 
Boris Becker: It's very difficult to compare generations but you have to give credit where credit is due. Winning 17 majors- it doesn't happen overnight. I think everyone in this room agrees that the greatest of all time is sitting up there (on the stage) next to the second-greatest.
 
Sampras definitely above Nadal is the only change I would make.
He was the dominant player of his era, 6 straight YE#1's.
It is only now he regrets not taking the French seriously or properly preparing for it, as Wimbledon was always his priority mid-year.
 
DerekNoleFam1 said:
Sampras definitely above Nadal is the only change I would make.
He was the dominant player of his era, 6 straight YE#1's.
It is only now he regrets not taking the French seriously or properly preparing for it, as Wimbledon was always his priority mid-year.
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No way is Sampras ahead of Nadal:shock: Let the arguments begin:)
 
dlk said:
No way is Sampras ahead of Nadal:shock: Let the arguments begin:)
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It's the circle of life. Sampras-***** use Nadal to make Federer look bad. Djoko-***** use Sampras to make Nadal look bad.

I haven't checked out the former pro player section but I wonder if they have ***** in there too.
 
Mr.Snrub said:
It's the circle of life. Sampras-***** use Nadal to make Federer look bad. Djoko-***** use Sampras to make Nadal look bad.

I haven't checked out the former pro player section but I wonder if they have ***** in there too.
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They do:)

10char
 
dlk said:
No way is Sampras ahead of Nadal:shock: Let the arguments begin:)
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Arguments? Sure!

1) Equal number of slams, but Sampras is the (shared) record holder at two Slams (Nadal only at one), particularly at Wimbledon, the most prestigious tournament in tennis. Wimbledon is the Mecca of tennis.

2) More (consecutive) weeks at number 1 and Year End #1s, showing Sampras' superior domination over the field.
 
SpinToWin said:
Arguments? Sure!

1) Equal number of slams, but Sampras is the (shared) record holder at two Slams (Nadal only at one), particularly at Wimbledon, the most prestigious tournament in tennis. Wimbledon is the Mecca of tennis.

2) More (consecutive) weeks at number 1 and Year End #1s, showing Sampras' superior domination over the field.
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Sampras did not have Fed & Novak in the same era. Fed vs. Agassi?:)
 
dlk said:
Sampras did not have Fed & Novak in the same era. Fed vs. Agassi?:)
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It is generally regarded Sampras had a more difficult field than the current era. There were times in the mid 90s, when the Top 10 were made up almost entirely of Major winners.
 
DerekNoleFam1 said:
It is generally regarded Sampras had a more difficult field than the current era. There were times in the mid 90s, when the Top 10 were made up almost entirely of Major winners.
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1 Sampras, Pete (USA) 3,915
2 Rios, Marcelo (CHI) 3,670
3 Corretja, Alex (ESP) 3,398
4 Rafter, Patrick (AUS) 3,315
5 Moya, Carlos (ESP) 3,159
6 Agassi, Andre (USA) 2,879
7 Henman, Tim (GBR) 2,620
8 Kucera, Karol (SVK) 2,579
9 Rusedski, Greg (GBR) 2,573
10 Krajicek, Richard (NED) 2,548

Wow... So strong. :lol:
 
DerekNoleFam1 said:
Sampras definitely above Nadal is the only change I would make.
He was the dominant player of his era, 6 straight YE#1's.
It is only now he regrets not taking the French seriously or properly preparing for it, as Wimbledon was always his priority mid-year.
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Agassi >> Djokovic then.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Because he spent twice as long at #1, had 3 more YE#1 and won the WTF 5 times? Oh and dominated two surfaces rather than just the one.
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Plus Pete had to face better players. Nadal on the other hand has been lucky to have overrated players like Djokovic and Federer playing in the same era. You really think a one legged Nadal could dominate Pete and Andre? hell NO!
 
Sabratha said:
Agassi >> Djokovic then.
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1 Slam (and a career GS) + Olympic Gold on Novak, he is currently better, no doubt.
3 of his late career AO's though, that book-ended his career so well, were not exactly against modern day greats or stiff competition.
We can all cherry pick stats to suit our agenda. (eg add Noles 3 YE#1 vs 1 YE#1 for Andre).
 
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DerekNoleFam1 said:
1 Slam (and a career GS) + Olympic Gold on Novak, he is currently better, no doubt.
3 of his late career AO's though, that book-ended his career so well, were not exactly against modern day greats or stiff competition.
We can all cherry pick stats to suit our agenda. (eg add Noles 3 YE#1 vs 1 YE#1 for Andre).
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Djokovic won his '08 AO against mediocre competition (don't try telling me sick Federer is real competition) and his 2013 campaign left a lot to be desired in terms of competition too.

Djokovic also has less to contend with than Agassi did during his best years (Sampras played a whole year and was relevant everywhere except clay, whereas the opposite is true for Nadal this year and in 2012; two years Djokovic ended at #1).
 
Sabratha said:
Djokovic won his '08 AO against mediocre competition (don't try telling me sick Federer is real competition) and his 2013 campaign left a lot to be desired in terms of competition too.

Djokovic also has less to contend with than Agassi did during his best years (Sampras played a whole year and was relevant everywhere except clay, whereas the opposite is true for Nadal this year and in 2012; two years Djokovic ended at #1).
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Federer at the 2008 AO was still tougher than anyone Agassi had to face in his later years there, you make out like he went onto the court off his deathbed. And what was wrong with the competition in 2013? He had to get past an on fire Wawrinka, Berdych, Ferrer and peak Murray in the final. That's a tougher draw than anything Agassi went through during his last couple of titles down under. As things currently stand, Djokovic > Agassi.

And don't make excuses for Nadal either. It's not Djokovic's problem that he can't play a full season anymore and even if he did I strongly suspect that Nole would've still finished on top in both 2012 and 2014 anyway.
 
zep said:
Fed has always been arrogant although his PR has made him look like the nicest guy ever on the outside. Sometimes the real Federer does come out like his bitter press conference after the RG 2011 final. :twisted:
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In a cooperate situation, you know well about your colleagues characters and attitudes. You can't help but notice them because people cannot hide their true personality day in day out. Likewise, ATP is like a company where players are colleagues and tour around the world throughout the year. There, you will notice the true personality of your fellow players and Federer is recognized as a nice guy and well respected by his colleagues. He has been rewarded with Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award, which is decided by players voting, 10 times out of last 11 years. This is a true and clear testament of how good a person Federer actually is. I hope this buries all these crap like Fed is not genuinely nice or he is an arrogant s*it.
 
Federer
Sampras
Nadal
Borg
Laver
Connors
Lendl
Agassi
Djokovic
McEnroe
Wilander

at least most of are agreeing on most of the order
 
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