The top 6 against each other in 2009

P_Agony

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I just thought it'd be interesting to see who (from the top 6) had the best record against other top 6 players. I have included all top 6 because both Roddick and Delpo had a lot of influence on the big picture in tennis this year, and at slams even more than #3 and #4.

Federer:
Against Nadal: 1 loss (AO final) and 1 win (Madrid final), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Doha, Indian Wells) and 1 win (Cincy semis), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 2 losses (Miami, Rome) and 2 wins (Cincy, USO), overall: 2-2
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (USO), and 3 wins (AO, Madrid, FO), overall: 3-1
Against Roddick: 0 losses, and 4 wins (AO, Miami, Madrid, Wimbly), overall: 4-0

Overall: Fed is 11-6 against top 6 players in 2009. (64.7%)
At slams: Fed is 5-2 against top 6 players at slams this year.
None slams: Fed is 6-4 against top 6 players at slams this year.

Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Nadal
Against Federer: 1 loss (Madrid) and 1 win (AO), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 1 loss (Rotterdam) and 2 wins (IW, Monte Carlo), overall: 2-1
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Cincy) and 4 wins (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid), overall: 4-1
Against Del Potro: 3 losses (Miami, Montreal, USO), 1 win (IW), overall: 1-3
Against Roddick: 0 losses, 1 win (IW), overall: 1-0

Overall: Nadal is 9-6 against top 6 players in 2009. (60%)
At slams: Nadal is 1-1 against top 6 players at slams this year.
None slams: Nadal is 8-5 against top 6 players at slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Murray
Against Federer: 1 loss (Cincy) and 2 wins (Doha, IW), overall: 2-1
Against Nadal: 2 losses (IW, MC) and 1 win (Rotterdam), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 0 losses, 1 win (Miami), overall: 1-0
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (Madrid), 2 wins (Miami, Montreal), overall: 2-1
Against Roddick: 1 loss (Wimbly), 1 win (Doha), overall: 1-1

Overall: Murray is 7-5 against top 6 players in 2009. (58.3%)
At slams: Murray is 0-1 against top 6 players at slams this year.
None slams: Murray is 7-4 against top 6 players at slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 2 losses
Clay: 2 losses
Grass: 1 loss

Djokovic
Against Federer: 2 losses (Cincy, USO) and 2 wins (Miami, Rome), overall: 2-2
Against Nadal: 4 losses (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid) and 1 win (Cincy), overall: 1-4
Against Murray: 1 loss (Miami), 0 wins, overall: 0-1
Against Del Potro: 0 losses, 1 win (Rome), overall: 1-0
Against Roddick: 3 losses (AO, IW, Montreal), 0 wins, overall: 0-3

Overall: Djokovic is 4-10 against top 6 players in 2009. (28.5%)
At slams: Djokovic is 0-2 against top 6 players at slams this year.
None slams: Djokovic is 4-8 against top 6 players at slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 6 losses
Clay: 4 losses
Grass: 0 losses

Del Potro
Against Federer: 3 losses (AO, Madrid, FO) and 1 win (USO), overall: 1-3
Against Nadal: 1 loss (IW) and 3 wins (Miami, Montreal, USO), overall: 3-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Miami, Montreal), 1 win (Madrid), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Rome), 0 wins, overall: 0-1
Against Roddick: 0 losses, 2 wins (Washington, Montreal), overall: 2-0

Overall: Del Potro is 7-7 against top 6 players in 2009. (50%)
At slams: Del Potro is 2-2 against top 6 players at slams this year.
None slams: Del Potro is 5-5 against top 6 players at slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 4 losses
Clay: 3 losses
Grass: 0 losses

Roddick
Against Federer: 4 losses (AO, Maimi, Madrid, Wimbly) and 0 wins, overall: 0-4
Against Nadal: 1 loss (IW) and 0 wins, overall: 0-1
Against Murray: 1 loss (Doha), 1 win (Wimbly), overall: 1-1
Against Djokovic: 0 losses, 3 wins (AO, IW, Montreal), overall: 3-0
Against Del Potro: 2 losses (Washington, Montreal), 0 wins, overall: 0-2

Overall: Roddick is 4-8 against top 6 players in 2009. (33.3%)
At slams: Roddick is 2-2 against top 6 players at slams this year.
None slams: Roddick is 2-6 against top 6 players at slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 6 losses
Clay: 1 losses
Grass: 1 losses

Interesting Facts:

- Federer has the best record against top 6 players in 2009.
- Djokovic has the worst record over top 6 players in 2009
- Federer has played 17 matches against top 6 players, Nadal played 15, Murray 12, Djokovic 14, Delpo 14, Roddick 12 (so much for Federer's cakewalk draws).
- Murray and Roddick are the only top 6 players to lose on all three surfaces to other top 6 players.
- Djokovic and Roddick are the only top 6 players to lose more than 3 times to another top 6 player (Nadal and Federer respectively). Djokovic lost all four matches on clay, while Roddick has lost on all three surfaces to Federer.

I'd like to hear your opinions so far. Please do not bash, troll, or creat flame wars. Thanks.
 
Those Losses to Fed really throw off Roddick's numbers...against everyone but Fed he is 4-4...Fed wrecks that big time. Not to surprising Djokovic comes off worst, he really didn't have that consistant a year. Delpo's numbers are nice to, not amazing but nice...kinda funny how his numbers against Fed and Nadal are mirror images.
 
boredone3456 said:
Those Losses to Fed really throw off Roddick's numbers...against everyone but Fed he is 4-4...Fed wrecks that big time. Not to surprising Djokovic comes off worst, he really didn't have that consistant a year. Delpo's numbers are nice to, not amazing but nice...kinda funny how his numbers against Fed and Nadal are mirror images.
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Just comes to show you how this game is based on matchups more than anything. Everyone has their bad matchup.
 
What's truly intriguing is why you elicited to compare the top 6 instead of the top 8 (or top 10). Is it by any chance because the #7 (Tsonga) is 1-0 vs Fed this year and 0-1 vs Nadal? :)
Once you include the top 10 instead of just the top 6, you will find that Nadal is the only top 10 player to have beaten all other top 9 players at least once this year.
 
veroniquem said:
What's truly intriguing is why you elicited to compare the top 6 instead of the top 8 (or top 10). Is it by any chance because the #7 (Tsonga) is 1-0 vs Fed this year and 0-1 vs Nadal? :)
Once you include the top 10 instead of just the top 6, you will find that Nadal is the only top 10 player to have beaten all other top 9 players at least once this year.
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I have chosen the top 6 because Roddick and DP had a lot of influence this year, especially in slams, way more than Djokovic and Murray. How could you possibly compare Tsonga to DP and Roddick in terms of results. Did Tsonga reach a slam final this year? How about a semi? Did he have more than 3 wins over top 6 players? Tsonga is clearly a level below the guys I mentioned. I was going to do a top 5 list, but I thought it was only fair to include Roddick since he was #5 before the USO, reached a slam final and a slam semi, owned Djokovic all year long, pulled the biggest upset in Wimbly.

Tsonga did NOTHING at slams this year, nor at MS events.
 
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veroniquem said:
What's truly intriguing is why you elicited to compare the top 6 instead of the top 8 (or top 10). Is it by any chance because the #7 (Tsonga) is 1-0 vs Fed this year and 0-1 vs Nadal? :)
Once you include the top 10 instead of just the top 6, you will find that Nadal is the only top 10 player to have beaten all other top 9 players at least once this year.
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Because top 6 is in a league of their own this year. The 6th is more than 1000 points ahead 7th and the rest. Maybe if your head wasn't so far up Nadal's *** you'd be able to see the big picture more clearly.

The OP made a very good thread and you just had to find a way to ruin it, not that anyone is taking you seriously though.
 
GasquetGOAT said:
Because top 6 is in a league of their own this year. The 6th is more than 1000 points ahead 7th and the rest. Maybe if your head wasn't so far up Nadal's *** you'd be able to see the big picture more clearly.

The OP made a very good thread and you just had to find a way to ruin it, not that anyone is taking you seriously though.
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Thanks GasquetGOAT :)
 
Neither nadal nor fed had cakewalks this year. They are the real deal. If roddick starts losing to djoke he is done.

They don't play each other too often and seems like nadal and fed get higher quality matches in general which reinforces their abilities. Higher quality "practice"
 
GasquetGOAT said:
Because top 6 is in a league of their own this year. The 6th is more than 1000 points ahead 7th and the rest. Maybe if your head wasn't so far up Nadal's *** you'd be able to see the big picture more clearly.

The OP made a very good thread and you just had to find a way to ruin it, not that anyone is taking you seriously though.
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Great post. I agree entirely.
 
Ledigs said:
Neither nadal nor fed had cakewalks this year. They are the real deal. If roddick starts losing to djoke he is done.

They don't play each other too often and seems like nadal and fed get higher quality matches in general which reinforces their abilities. Higher quality "practice"
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Roddick has a win over Murray in a slam semi, and he was very close to beat Federer and Del Potro multiple times.
 
Theres value to this but at the end it all comes down to slam wins, thats what you are remembered for.
 
jaggy said:
Theres value to this but at the end it all comes down to slam wins, thats what you are remembered for.
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Well, Federer is often critisized for having cakewalk draws and not playing against the best players. This data proves that not only does Fed has the best record against top 6 players this year, but he also played the most matches, despite playing overall less matches than some of his fellow top players.
 
Great thread man..i don't know HOW Veroniquem found a way to ***** when this thread is in no way geared towards a particular player.

Interesting stats, the concepts of match ups really shines here.

Djoko is 0-3 to Roddick while fed 4-0, Nadal is 1-3 to Del po while Fed is 3-1 so things like that are pretty interesting.

Well, Federer is often critisized for having cakewalk draws and not playing against the best players. This data proves that not only does Fed has the best record against top 6 players this year, but he also played the most matches, despite playing overall less matches than some of his fellow top players.
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He's made the semi's or better of all tournaments except Montreal and Monte Carlo.

He's 4/6 in finals i believe.
 
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DarthFed said:
Great thread man..i don't know HOW Veroniquem found a way to ***** when this thread is in no way geared towards a particular player.

Interesting stats, the concepts of match ups really shines here.

Djoko is 0-3 to Roddick while fed 4-0, Nadal is 1-3 to Del po while Fed is 3-1 so things like that are pretty interesting.
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It's veroniquem, and her post made no sense. Putting Tsonga in the league of Delpo, Murray, Roddick and Djokovic just because Nadal has a good record against him this year, despite the fact Tsonga hasn't reached even a slam semi nor an MS final. Tsonga has only one win against a top 6 player this year, and even that was a very weird win.
 
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shabby said:
What about in Marseille where he beat Novak earlier in the year?
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Alright 2 wins, still no slam results, no MS results, no other important wins. Heck, if there's anyone who should be included, it's Soderling and Verdasco, who at least got some slam results, and even they weren't consistent enough to be put in the really big league.
 
veroniquem said:
What's truly intriguing is why you elicited to compare the top 6 instead of the top 8 (or top 10). Is it by any chance because the #7 (Tsonga) is 1-0 vs Fed this year and 0-1 vs Nadal? :)
Once you include the top 10 instead of just the top 6, you will find that Nadal is the only top 10 player to have beaten all other top 9 players at least once this year.
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yeah, yeah, yeah we get it. Nadal is amazing, he's the best, he's god. :rolleyes:


interesting stats. Thanks P_Agony.
 
GREAT thread, very interesting stats, thanks! :cool:

P_Agony said:
Well, Federer is often critisized for having cakewalk draws and not playing against the best players. This data proves that not only does Fed has the best record against top 6 players this year, but he also played the most matches, despite playing overall less matches than some of his fellow top players.
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And these facts really show why he's the worthy #1 right now, despite some trolls' attempts to continuously downplay his achievements of this year. Thanks a lot!
 
TheMusicLover said:
GREAT thread, very interesting stats, thanks! :cool:



And these facts really show why he's the worthy #1 right now, despite some trolls' attempts to continuously downplay his achievements of this year. Thanks a lot!
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off topic, but...
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just felt like giving you hug, miss you.
 
Considering the Top 5 alone we see the following picture

Interesting Facts:

- Murray has the best record against top 5 players in 2009. Nadal is still second and Federer drops to 3rd simply because roddick is out.
- Djokovic has the worst record over top 6 players in 2009.
- Nadal has played 14 against top 5 players, Federer 13 matches, Murray 12, Delpo 12, Djokovic 11.


Federer:
Against Nadal: 1 loss (AO final) and 1 win (Madrid final), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Doha, Indian Wells) and 1 win (Cincy semis), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 2 losses (Miami, Rome) and 2 wins (Cincy, USO), overall: 2-2
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (USO), and 3 wins (AO, Madrid, FO), overall: 3-1


Overall: Fed is 7-6 against top 5 players in 2009. (53.8%)
At slams: Fed is 4-2 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Fed is 3-4 against top 5 players at non slams this year.

Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Nadal
Against Federer: 1 loss (Madrid) and 1 win (AO), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 1 loss (Rotterdam) and 2 wins (IW, Monte Carlo), overall: 2-1
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Cincy) and 4 wins (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid), overall: 4-1
Against Del Potro: 3 losses (Miami, Montreal, USO), 1 win (IW), overall: 1-3


Overall: Nadal is 8-6 against top 5 players in 2009. (57.1%)
At slams: Nadal is 1-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Nadal is 7-5 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Murray
Against Federer: 1 loss (Cincy) and 2 wins (Doha, IW), overall: 2-1
Against Nadal: 2 losses (IW, MC) and 1 win (Rotterdam), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 0 losses, 1 win (Miami), overall: 1-0
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (Madrid), 2 wins (Miami, Montreal), overall: 2-1


Overall: Murray is 6-4 against top 5 players in 2009. (60%)
At slams: Murray is 0-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
non slams: Murray is 7-4 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 2 losses
Clay: 2 losses
Grass: 1 loss

Djokovic
Against Federer: 2 losses (Cincy, USO) and 2 wins (Miami, Rome), overall: 2-2
Against Nadal: 4 losses (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid) and 1 win (Cincy), overall: 1-4
Against Murray: 1 loss (Miami), 0 wins, overall: 0-1
Against Del Potro: 0 losses, 1 win (Rome), overall: 1-0


Overall: Djokovic is 4-7 against top 5 players in 2009. (36.4%)
At slams: Djokovic is 0-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Djokovic is 4-6 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 6 losses
Clay: 4 losses
Grass: 0 losses

Del Potro
Against Federer: 3 losses (AO, Madrid, FO) and 1 win (USO), overall: 1-3
Against Nadal: 1 loss (IW) and 3 wins (Miami, Montreal, USO), overall: 3-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Miami, Montreal), 1 win (Madrid), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Rome), 0 wins, overall: 0-1

Overall: Del Potro is 5-7 against top 5 players in 2009. (41.7%)
At slams: Del Potro is 2-2 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Del Potro is 3-5 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 4 losses
Clay: 3 losses
Grass: 0 losses
 
srinrajesh said:
Considering the Top 5 alone we see the following picture

Interesting Facts:

- Murray has the best record against top 5 players in 2009. Nadal is still second and Federer drops to 3rd simply because roddick is out.
- Djokovic has the worst record over top 6 players in 2009.
- Nadal has played 14 against top 5 players, Federer 13 matches, Murray 12, Delpo 12, Djokovic 11.


Federer:
Against Nadal: 1 loss (AO final) and 1 win (Madrid final), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Doha, Indian Wells) and 1 win (Cincy semis), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 2 losses (Miami, Rome) and 2 wins (Cincy, USO), overall: 2-2
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (USO), and 3 wins (AO, Madrid, FO), overall: 3-1


Overall: Fed is 7-6 against top 5 players in 2009. (53.8%)
At slams: Fed is 4-2 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Fed is 3-4 against top 5 players at non slams this year.

Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Nadal
Against Federer: 1 loss (Madrid) and 1 win (AO), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 1 loss (Rotterdam) and 2 wins (IW, Monte Carlo), overall: 2-1
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Cincy) and 4 wins (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid), overall: 4-1
Against Del Potro: 3 losses (Miami, Montreal, USO), 1 win (IW), overall: 1-3


Overall: Nadal is 8-6 against top 5 players in 2009. (57.1%)
At slams: Nadal is 1-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Nadal is 7-5 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Murray
Against Federer: 1 loss (Cincy) and 2 wins (Doha, IW), overall: 2-1
Against Nadal: 2 losses (IW, MC) and 1 win (Rotterdam), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 0 losses, 1 win (Miami), overall: 1-0
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (Madrid), 2 wins (Miami, Montreal), overall: 2-1


Overall: Murray is 6-4 against top 5 players in 2009. (60%)
At slams: Murray is 0-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
non slams: Murray is 7-4 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 2 losses
Clay: 2 losses
Grass: 1 loss

Djokovic
Against Federer: 2 losses (Cincy, USO) and 2 wins (Miami, Rome), overall: 2-2
Against Nadal: 4 losses (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid) and 1 win (Cincy), overall: 1-4
Against Murray: 1 loss (Miami), 0 wins, overall: 0-1
Against Del Potro: 0 losses, 1 win (Rome), overall: 1-0


Overall: Djokovic is 4-7 against top 5 players in 2009. (36.4%)
At slams: Djokovic is 0-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Djokovic is 4-6 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 6 losses
Clay: 4 losses
Grass: 0 losses

Del Potro
Against Federer: 3 losses (AO, Madrid, FO) and 1 win (USO), overall: 1-3
Against Nadal: 1 loss (IW) and 3 wins (Miami, Montreal, USO), overall: 3-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Miami, Montreal), 1 win (Madrid), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Rome), 0 wins, overall: 0-1

Overall: Del Potro is 5-7 against top 5 players in 2009. (41.7%)
At slams: Del Potro is 2-2 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Del Potro is 3-5 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 4 losses
Clay: 3 losses
Grass: 0 losses
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Do the top 3 and Nadal's numbers drop too. So what?


The top 6 is probably the most fair way to do things since those 6 players have done the most this year.
 
veroniquem said:
What's truly intriguing is why you elicited to compare the top 6 instead of the top 8 (or top 10). Is it by any chance because the #7 (Tsonga) is 1-0 vs Fed this year and 0-1 vs Nadal? :)
Once you include the top 10 instead of just the top 6, you will find that Nadal is the only top 10 player to have beaten all other top 9 players at least once this year.
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Lmao..He chose the top 6 because those are obvious the strongest players on the tour. Tsonga will not be 7 for long and guys like Gonzo and Soderling will be in the top 10 soon he chose the top 6 because those really were the top 6 players on the year. Are you going to argue this? There was no number bending. Since about March everyone saw it was apparent that those 6 were going to be the big guns for the year. Why include Tsonga outside of his semifinal run in that master series where he beat Fed when did he do ****? Tell me this. Why didn't he go top 15? That would also include Soderling who Fed is 3-0 against and Nadal is 0-1 against. I am pretty sure everyone realized he chose top 6 because these were the biggest guys all year long.

On the stats its amazing to see how little Murray actually played the top6 in slams. He only got at them once and lost and it was Roddick one of the players with the worst record against the top 6.
 
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egn said:
Why include Tsonga outside of his semifinal run in that master series where he beat Fed when did he do ****?
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I guess you just answered your question all by yourself. ;)

It's obvious to any OBJECTIVE poster as to why OP would restrict himself to include only the Top 6 players, as there is a huge gap between #6 and #7, some 1,000 points if I'm not mistaken.
 
srinrajesh said:
Considering the Top 5 alone we see the following picture

Interesting Facts:

- Murray has the best record against top 5 players in 2009. Nadal is still second and Federer drops to 3rd simply because roddick is out.
- Djokovic has the worst record over top 6 players in 2009.
- Nadal has played 14 against top 5 players, Federer 13 matches, Murray 12, Delpo 12, Djokovic 11.


Federer:
Against Nadal: 1 loss (AO final) and 1 win (Madrid final), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Doha, Indian Wells) and 1 win (Cincy semis), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 2 losses (Miami, Rome) and 2 wins (Cincy, USO), overall: 2-2
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (USO), and 3 wins (AO, Madrid, FO), overall: 3-1


Overall: Fed is 7-6 against top 5 players in 2009. (53.8%)
At slams: Fed is 4-2 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Fed is 3-4 against top 5 players at non slams this year.

Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Nadal
Against Federer: 1 loss (Madrid) and 1 win (AO), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 1 loss (Rotterdam) and 2 wins (IW, Monte Carlo), overall: 2-1
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Cincy) and 4 wins (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid), overall: 4-1
Against Del Potro: 3 losses (Miami, Montreal, USO), 1 win (IW), overall: 1-3


Overall: Nadal is 8-6 against top 5 players in 2009. (57.1%)
At slams: Nadal is 1-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Nadal is 7-5 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Murray
Against Federer: 1 loss (Cincy) and 2 wins (Doha, IW), overall: 2-1
Against Nadal: 2 losses (IW, MC) and 1 win (Rotterdam), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 0 losses, 1 win (Miami), overall: 1-0
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (Madrid), 2 wins (Miami, Montreal), overall: 2-1


Overall: Murray is 6-4 against top 5 players in 2009. (60%)
At slams: Murray is 0-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
non slams: Murray is 7-4 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 2 losses
Clay: 2 losses
Grass: 1 loss

Djokovic
Against Federer: 2 losses (Cincy, USO) and 2 wins (Miami, Rome), overall: 2-2
Against Nadal: 4 losses (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid) and 1 win (Cincy), overall: 1-4
Against Murray: 1 loss (Miami), 0 wins, overall: 0-1
Against Del Potro: 0 losses, 1 win (Rome), overall: 1-0


Overall: Djokovic is 4-7 against top 5 players in 2009. (36.4%)
At slams: Djokovic is 0-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Djokovic is 4-6 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 6 losses
Clay: 4 losses
Grass: 0 losses

Del Potro
Against Federer: 3 losses (AO, Madrid, FO) and 1 win (USO), overall: 1-3
Against Nadal: 1 loss (IW) and 3 wins (Miami, Montreal, USO), overall: 3-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Miami, Montreal), 1 win (Madrid), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Rome), 0 wins, overall: 0-1

Overall: Del Potro is 5-7 against top 5 players in 2009. (41.7%)
At slams: Del Potro is 2-2 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Del Potro is 3-5 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 4 losses
Clay: 3 losses
Grass: 0 losses
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But who do you consider #5? DP is only a recent #5. Roddick has been #5 for most of the year. He also reached a slam semi and a slam final. You can't possibly exclude him.
 
srinrajesh said:
Considering the Top 5 alone we see the following picture

Interesting Facts:

- Murray has the best record against top 5 players in 2009. Nadal is still second and Federer drops to 3rd simply because roddick is out.
- Djokovic has the worst record over top 6 players in 2009.
- Nadal has played 14 against top 5 players, Federer 13 matches, Murray 12, Delpo 12, Djokovic 11.


Federer:
Against Nadal: 1 loss (AO final) and 1 win (Madrid final), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Doha, Indian Wells) and 1 win (Cincy semis), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 2 losses (Miami, Rome) and 2 wins (Cincy, USO), overall: 2-2
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (USO), and 3 wins (AO, Madrid, FO), overall: 3-1


Overall: Fed is 7-6 against top 5 players in 2009. (53.8%)
At slams: Fed is 4-2 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Fed is 3-4 against top 5 players at non slams this year.

Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Nadal
Against Federer: 1 loss (Madrid) and 1 win (AO), overall: 1-1
Against Murray: 1 loss (Rotterdam) and 2 wins (IW, Monte Carlo), overall: 2-1
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Cincy) and 4 wins (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid), overall: 4-1
Against Del Potro: 3 losses (Miami, Montreal, USO), 1 win (IW), overall: 1-3


Overall: Nadal is 8-6 against top 5 players in 2009. (57.1%)
At slams: Nadal is 1-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Nadal is 7-5 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 5 losses
Clay: 1 loss
Grass: 0 losses

Murray
Against Federer: 1 loss (Cincy) and 2 wins (Doha, IW), overall: 2-1
Against Nadal: 2 losses (IW, MC) and 1 win (Rotterdam), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 0 losses, 1 win (Miami), overall: 1-0
Against Del Potro: 1 loss (Madrid), 2 wins (Miami, Montreal), overall: 2-1


Overall: Murray is 6-4 against top 5 players in 2009. (60%)
At slams: Murray is 0-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
non slams: Murray is 7-4 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 2 losses
Clay: 2 losses
Grass: 1 loss

Djokovic
Against Federer: 2 losses (Cincy, USO) and 2 wins (Miami, Rome), overall: 2-2
Against Nadal: 4 losses (DC, MC, Rome, Madrid) and 1 win (Cincy), overall: 1-4
Against Murray: 1 loss (Miami), 0 wins, overall: 0-1
Against Del Potro: 0 losses, 1 win (Rome), overall: 1-0


Overall: Djokovic is 4-7 against top 5 players in 2009. (36.4%)
At slams: Djokovic is 0-1 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Djokovic is 4-6 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 6 losses
Clay: 4 losses
Grass: 0 losses

Del Potro
Against Federer: 3 losses (AO, Madrid, FO) and 1 win (USO), overall: 1-3
Against Nadal: 1 loss (IW) and 3 wins (Miami, Montreal, USO), overall: 3-1
Against Murray: 2 losses (Miami, Montreal), 1 win (Madrid), overall: 1-2
Against Djokovic: 1 loss (Rome), 0 wins, overall: 0-1

Overall: Del Potro is 5-7 against top 5 players in 2009. (41.7%)
At slams: Del Potro is 2-2 against top 5 players at slams this year.
Non slams: Del Potro is 3-5 against top 5 players at non slams this year.


Per surface:

HC: 4 losses
Clay: 3 losses
Grass: 0 losses
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sorry but roddick can't be excluded from the list. a semi and a final are too important.
 
Nicely done thread.

It really puts the top players accomplishments in perspective. For the most part, these six guys are heads and shoulders above the rest.
 
P_Agony said:
I have chosen the top 6 because Roddick and DP had a lot of influence this year, especially in slams, way more than Djokovic and Murray. How could you possibly compare Tsonga to DP and Roddick in terms of results. Did Tsonga reach a slam final this year? How about a semi? Did he have more than 3 wins over top 6 players? Tsonga is clearly a level below the guys I mentioned. I was going to do a top 5 list, but I thought it was only fair to include Roddick since he was #5 before the USO, reached a slam final and a slam semi, owned Djokovic all year long, pulled the biggest upset in Wimbly.

Tsonga did NOTHING at slams this year, nor at MS events.
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Bad excuse. Murray has done nothing in slams this year as well. It's usual to compare the top 10, top 8 as well because they're the ones selected for WTF and you have 8 players in the quarters or 4 players in the semis. 6 seems a little unusual. BTW, Tsonga hasn't done nothing, he's beaten Fed ha ha!
 
veroniquem said:
Bad excuse. Murray has done nothing in slams this year as well. It's usual to compare the top 10, top 8 as well because they're the ones selected for WTF and you have 8 players in the quarters or 4 players in the semis. 6 seems a little unusual. BTW, Tsonga hasn't done nothing, he's beaten Fed ha ha!
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The top 6 are head and shoulders above the rest so it makes sense.
 
veroniquem said:
Bad excuse. Murray has done nothing in slams this year as well. It's usual to compare the top 10, top 8 as well because they're the ones selected for WTF and you have 8 players in the quarters or 4 players in the semis. 6 seems a little unusual. BTW, Tsonga hasn't done nothing, he's beaten Fed ha ha!
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The top 6 are so far above the rest this year it isn't even funny. As for the Tsonga comment, everyone in the top 6 except for Roddick has beaten Fed at least once this year (and that Wimbledon final was pretty close), so that really doesn't make it or break it. Murray, just so you know...has done it twice.

As for Bringing up Murray, at the slams he may not have done much but neither has Tsonga really, and Murray's non slam numbers this year are way better, so this year Murray>>>>Tsonga. And the top 6>>>>everybody else.
 
grafselesfan said:
The top 6 are head and shoulders above the rest so it makes sense.
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Sorry but that's a very subjective appreciation and it's not substanciated by facts. In the rankings, there is a bigger point difference between Delpo and Roddick (#5 and #6) than there is between Roddick and Tsonga (#6 and #7)
 
What those stats fail to inform us of is that Nadal was injured in at least 2 of those matches v top 6- in 2 finals no less. ie Madrid final v Fed and Rotterdam final v Murray. Take those 2 matches out of the equation and Nadal has a 69% win record v top 6. So injury aside Nadal is still the best performer v the top 6.
 
veroniquem said:
Sorry but that's a very subjective appreciation and it's not substanciated by facts. In the rankings, there is a bigger point difference between Delpo and Roddick (#5 and #6) than there is between Roddick and Tsonga (#6 and #7)
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It is substantiated by logic. Lets go through each:

1. Federer- 15 slams, 2 this year and all 4 finals of slams this year.

2. Nadal- 6 slams, including 1 this year, and was Worlds #1 before a mid season injury.

3. Murray- dissapointing in slams with only 1 final and 1 semi in the last 13 months when more was expected by most, but still 4 Masters titles in last 14 months, and winning record vs current Worlds #1 and #4.

4. Djokovic- despite not having his best year has been in 4 Masters finals this year, and in last 3 years has been to the semis or better of 6 slams including the most recent.

5. Del Potro- young rising player who recently won his first slam with back to back wins over Nadal and Federer.

6. Roddick- has been in 5 career slam finals, including 1 this year which he was points from winning.

7. Tsonga- 1 slam final almost 2 years ago. 1 Masters title late last year in the depleted Paris Masters. That is pretty much it for his career to date. 1 slam quarterfinal this year, no Masters finals. Yeah he beat Federer this year, so has Wawrinka.


By the way I am not a big fan of the majority of the current big 6. In fact only Nadal, Djokovic, and to a lesser degree Del Potro do I even like. I dont like Federer, Murray, or Roddick at all really. However just telling it how it is.
 
boredone3456 said:
The top 6 are so far above the rest this year it isn't even funny. As for the Tsonga comment, everyone in the top 6 except for Roddick has beaten Fed at least once this year (and that Wimbledon final was pretty close), so that really doesn't make it or break it. Murray, just so you know...has done it twice.

As for Bringing up Murray, at the slams he may not have done much but neither has Tsonga really, and Murray's non slam numbers this year are way better, so this year Murray>>>>Tsonga. And the top 6>>>>everybody else.
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What breaks it is that Fed has been beaten by players in the top 10 that he didn't beat, Nadal hasn't.
What also breaks it is that Fed doesn't have a leading head to head vs any of the top 4 in 2009 (unlike Nadal and Murray). So much for domination at the top...
 
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grafselesfan said:
It is substantiated by logic. Lets go through each:

1. Federer- 15 slams, 2 this year and all 4 finals of slams this year.

2. Nadal- 6 slams, including 1 this year, and was Worlds #1 before a mid season injury.

3. Murray- dissapointing in slams with only 1 final and 1 semi in the last 13 months when more was expected by most, but still 4 Masters titles in last 14 months, and winning record vs current Worlds #1 and #4.

4. Djokovic- despite not having his best year has been in 4 Masters finals this year, and in last 3 years has been to the semis or better of 6 slams including the most recent.

5. Del Potro- young rising player who recently won his first slam with back to back wins over Nadal and Federer.

6. Roddick- has been in 5 career slam finals, including 1 this year which he was points from winning.

7. Tsonga- 1 slam final almost 2 years ago. 1 Masters title late last year in the depleted Paris Masters. That is pretty much it for his career to date. 1 slam quarterfinal this year, no Masters finals. Yeah he beat Federer this year, so has Wawrinka.


By the way I am not a big fan of the majority of the current big 6. In fact only Nadal, Djokovic, and to a lesser degree Del Potro do I even like. I dont like Federer, Murray, or Roddick at all really. However just telling it how it is.
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Er, noone was talking about career results, we're talking about 2009.
Actually if we were talking careerwise among the current top, it would put Fed at an even bigger disadvantage given his head to head stats vs Murray and Nadal...
 
veroniquem said:
Er, noone was talking about career results, we're talking about 2009.
Actually if we were talking careerwise among the current top, it would put Fed at an even bigger disadvantage given his head to head stats vs Murray and Nadal...
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I agree with your points on Federer vs Nadal currently. What I dont agree is your implying the top 6 are not clearly above the rest. Tsonga is not close to on par with any of Roddick, Murray, Del Potro, or Djokovic in any fashion regardless what the ranking points totals are, and as I said I dont even like Roddick or Murray whatsoever. If you just went by rankings points totals Federer would be by far the best now, and we both dont feel that way, so I dont know why you would even bring that up in comparing Del Potro, Roddick, and Tsonga. There is the big 6 right now, then there is the next tier a long way back.

Tsonga probably wont even make the Masters Cup as he probably wont defend his Paris Masters and Verdasco and Soderling can both gain alot more points.
 
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