The travails of Borna Coric

[KK Partizan]

Yeah it's surprising to see his struggles considering all the top pros have nothing but great things to say about him. For a supposed 'weak era', it sure seems that the guys touted to be the next in line seem to have problems rising. Then again, I'll take the word of a 2.5 or 3.0 TTW member over Nadal or Djokovic - who said he saw his clone in Coric. After all, TTW members with 10,000+ posts are far more knowledgeable about tennis than Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray.

Again, despite the young guys being touted as future superstars despite struggling to breakthrough, this is a weak era. Got it?

 

[dominikk1985]

Some bodies will break down regardless of height - Nishikori.
Tall people can still do well - Karlovic, Isner.

Maybe this is also because karlovic and isner are not that athletic. They are just not moving that much at a fast pace so that they don't put their bodies into stressful situations. Especially karlovic is quite minimalistic in his game.

On the other hands guys like del Potro or janowicz move well for their height and put their body into more extreme situations. It is a difference whether you just try to bomb aces and not do much on return on if you get involved into heavy baseline rallies like del Potro.

 

[helterskelter]

Maybe this is also because karlovic and isner are not that athletic. They are just not moving that much at a fast pace so that they don't put their bodies into stressful situations. Especially karlovic is quite minimalistic in his game.

On the other hands guys like del Potro or janowicz move well for their height and put their body into more extreme situations. It is a difference whether you just try to bomb aces and not do much on return on if you get involved into heavy baseline rallies like del Potro.

Janowicz moves well for his height. Del Potro not so much.

 

[Herios]

What is up with Borna Coric ?? he lost to a journeyman Berrer in the 1st round.. if he keeps that up, he won't be top 50 much longer..

Journeyman Berrer defeated Nadal last year in Doha

 

[Nostradamus]

Journeyman Berrer defeated Nadal last year in Doha

So, nowadays, everybody beats up on Nadal. nothing big there.

 

[reaper]

Coric was ranked 33 in July 2015 and is low 40's now....so he's gone backwards the last 7 months.

 

[Red Rick]

He's set to drop a lot more after Dubai unless a minor miracle happens

 

[helterskelter]

Right now, he's struggling to stay in the first set against Thiemo De Bakker in Rotterdam.

 

[helterskelter]

Coric was ranked 33 in July 2015 and is low 40's now....so he's gone backwards the last 7 months.

He's #38 right now. But, yes, he hasn't continued to progress since the middle of 2015.

 

[Meles]

Saved 10 set points against De Bakker.....

 

[Meles]

Saved 10 set points against De Bakker.....

And Borna converts his 2nd set point to take set, 11-9 in TB.

 

[Nostradamus]

Borna really sucking right now against Themo Debakker......LOL hilarious at the ABN amro tournament.....Actually Both guys are choking Big time. but Borna did come thru after giving Themo 10 SET point opportunities......guess borna needed some practice saving set points.....Good idea...............lol

 

[helterskelter]

Seems like the effort of saving all those set points has cost him in the second set. He's already down 4-1 and two breaks.

Next round opponent will be either Monfils or Gulbis, should Coric come through. Both very inconsistent, but also much more dangerous than De Bakker.

 

[Nostradamus]

Seems like the effort of saving all those set points has cost him in the second set. He's already down 4-1 and two breaks.

Next round opponent will be either Monfils or Gulbis, should Coric come through. Both very inconsistent, but also much more dangerous than De Bakker.

Borna wil be just happy to play Monfils. but Gulbis, he can beat. when Coric is on he is top 20 player. he just is very dumb strategically on the court because he is so young. and I don't think his coach is very good either.

 

[TommyA8X]

Yeah it's surprising to see his struggles considering all the top pros have nothing but great things to say about him. For a supposed 'weak era', it sure seems that the guys touted to be the next in line seem to have problems rising. Then again, I'll take the word of a 2.5 or 3.0 TTW member over Nadal or Djokovic - who said he saw his clone in Coric. After all, TTW members with 10,000+ posts are far more knowledgeable about tennis than Federer, Nadal, Djokovic and Murray.

Again, despite the young guys being touted as future superstars despite struggling to breakthrough, this is a weak era. Got it?

Gasquet was touted as the next Federer and yet did nothing in 2005-08. Somehow that is considered a weak era by some posters here.

PS

Coric today isn't half a player Djokovic and Nadal were in 2006/07.

 

[Gary Duane]

It was an ugly win. If he goes up against Monfils he'll have to raise his game unless Monfils the Clown shows up.

He'll never get to the top playing so far back. He has to start moving in.

 

[Gary Duane]

Also - why the prison hair cut?

 

[KK Partizan]

Gasquet was touted as the next Federer and yet did nothing in 2005-08. Somehow that is considered a weak era by some posters here.

PS

Coric today isn't half a player Djokovic and Nadal were in 2006/07.

I have a hard time imagining someone with the ego of Federer calling anyone the 'next Federer'. I think in his head there will never be another Fed. (and I *love* Federer)

On the other hand, Djokovic has called Coric a clone. Nadal has said nothing but positive things about him. These are two all-time greats calling him a future superstar. Rest assured, their opinion carries a hell of a lot more weight than a low-end recreational player on TTW. (this is NOT a shot at you, but the community as a whole)

 

[TommyA8X]

I have a hard time imagining someone with the ego of Federer calling anyone the 'next Federer'. I think in his head there will never be another Fed. (and I *love* Federer)

On the other hand, Djokovic has called Coric a clone. Nadal has said nothing but positive things about him. These are two all-time greats calling him a future superstar. Rest assured, their opinion carries a hell of a lot more weight than a low-end recreational player on TTW. (this is NOT a shot at you, but the community as a whole)

It wasn't Federer that called him that, all the commentators and "experts" did.

Concerning Coric. I just don't think he has the weapons of Djokovic and Nadal. He is solid from the baseline, that's all.
Nadal has his FH, his crazy speed/defense, and amazing ability to pass opponents at the net. Djokovic has the return, the BH, and great defense as well. He also hits incredibly early/very close to the baseline giving his opponents less time to react (similarly to Fed). Coric plays from 3 meters behind the baseline and doesn't have the FH of Nadal, nor the BH of Djokovic. He is closer to Murray or Ferrer than Nadal/Djokovic.

 

[Meles]

I have a hard time imagining someone with the ego of Federer calling anyone the 'next Federer'. I think in his head there will never be another Fed. (and I *love* Federer)

On the other hand, Djokovic has called Coric a clone. Nadal has said nothing but positive things about him. These are two all-time greats calling him a future superstar. Rest assured, their opinion carries a hell of a lot more weight than a low-end recreational player on TTW. (this is NOT a shot at you, but the community as a whole)

Coric has a long way to go.

 

[Nostradamus]

http://www.atpworldtour.com/en/video/coric-reflects-on-first-round-rotterdam-win

Very refreshing interview with Borna. he think in 2 years time, young guns will take over.

 

[tacou]

He seems to have a game that will take awhile to solidify among the top 50. It requires great stamina and fitness and the experience of extensive match play. He just doesn't have the weapons to suddenly get on a crazy hot run. Until he is able to run with the likes of Simon and Ferrer, he'll be susceptible to any stronger, fitter, or older player.

 

[stringertom]

Coric himself was the one who compared his game to djovic on a good day and mray on a bad day. Pretty fedr like in his arrogance, no?

 

[Meles]

Janowicz moves well for his height. Del Potro not so much.

Does someone else that tall move better? (Cilic maybe) Its a shame Delpo has had so many injury problems that he's never played the tennis he's capable of. (more slams)

 

[helterskelter]

Does someone else that tall move better? (Cilic maybe) Its a shame Delpo has had so many injury problems that he's never played the tennis he's capable of. (more slams)

Yes, Cilic also moves better than Del Potro, too. Del Potro reminds me of Sharapova. Both of them grew further after their initial success and those extra inches seem to me to have hampered their movement. Of course, Del Potro's injury troubles are probably unconnected to his height. Sharapova has also had injury problems, albeit less severe, but I'm not sure whether they're related to her height or not. Anyway, it seems to me that neither of them is very good at all at getting down to low balls anymore. I wouldn't say that Del Potro is especially slow, but I do think that he's particularly lacking in agility. This makes both Janowicz and Cilic markedly better movers than him. Raonic is a little shorter than him and also not a great mover, but I'd say he's better than Del Potro at bending to low balls.

 

[Red Rick]

Lol if you think the top pro's are ever gonna say something negative about a guy like coric, saying something like that is bad for their own image, the public doesnt want to hear it, yada yada yada. Truth is that 19yo Coric is miles away from 19yo Djokovic. And even when Djokovic got massacared by Safin in 2005, he didnt have any technical flaws that prevented him from developing weapons. Coric has.

 

[jm1980]

Coric himself was the one who compared his game to djovic on a good day and mray on a bad day. Pretty fedr like in his arrogance, no?

Federer would have said on a good day he can't be compared to anyone.

On a bad day... Maybe Sampras comes close. Maybe.

 

[stringertom]

Federer would have said on a good day he can't be compared to anyone.

On a bad day... Maybe Sampras comes close. Maybe.

Sampras said if his back was fine and his sticks were strung properly, the match was on his racquet.

 

[helterskelter]

With Zverev just beating Pospisil in his first round, the two youngsters are a match away from a showdown with each other on Friday.

Of course, to make it there, Coric has to beat Monfils, while Zverev has to beat either Simon or Haase. So, it's more likely to be another Monfils/Simon showdown. But Zverev/Coric would be more interesting.

 

[helterskelter]

Coric under pressure in the rankings this week, given that he made the semis last year. If he loses in either the first round or the second round, he'll slip from his current position of #38 to at least #46 (possibly a few spots lower, depending on how other players do this week).

With Zverev just 100 points behind Coric if that happens (exactly 100 points), Coric may well not be the highest-ranked teenager for much longer.

 

[Meles]

Borna beat Vesely in Dubai and then lost to Kohlschreiber. Hovering around 40 in the rankings. Only Fritz is ahead of him in the ATP race.

 

[helterskelter]

Coric is now down to #47 in the rankings.

 

[helterskelter]

Coric had a good couple of wins at Indian Wells, but then lost in the opening round of Miami yesterday against Istomin.

Onto clay for him...

 

[Rjtennis]

Djokovic clone

Coric is more like a Ferrer clone. He doesn't come close to having the firepower djokovic does. his court positioning is very deep and he doesn't have weapons to hurt people with. He needs to develop some bigger weapons or start taking the ball earlier to really climb the rankings.

 

[NJLefty]

Coric has such heart for the game. I really enjoy watching him compete. For his fight, skill and spirit. As a female fan, I do have to admit his "form" is pretty easy on the eyes as well.

 

[Rina]

Is he really 6'1" as atp states? For some reason I thought he was shorter? Did he grow in height recently?

 

[Meles]

Coric is more like a Ferrer clone. He doesn't come close to having the firepower djokovic does. his court positioning is very deep and he doesn't have weapons to hurt people with. He needs to develop some bigger weapons or start taking the ball earlier to really climb the rankings.

Pales in comparison to Ferrer who has a great, great return.

Looking at hard court dominance ratings coming into Miami, Coric was an appalling 96% winning 77% of his serve games and a measely 19% of return games (77 + 19 = 96%). This is better than last year which was 92 % (74 +18). 2015 Clay was 101% (79 + 22). If Coric can improve 2016 like he has done on hard he might be around 105% (82 + 23). Coric was 102% on points last year on clay (64 + 38).

For comparison Thiem 2015 on clay was 110% games dominance (83 + 27). Points was 106% (66 + 40).

By these numbers, Coric is improving so there is still reason for hope Borna fans. Borna just is not a great hard court player. With some luck he has a good chance to go pretty far on clay. If he gets his points numbers to 65 + 39 on clay next year he'll find his way on clay and might even get a title (we know he has the heart of a champion.)

I was expecting the numbers to show Borna's demise, they show the opposite. Have faith.

 

[MaiDee]

 

[KK Partizan]

Is he really 6'1" as atp states? For some reason I thought he was shorter? Did he grow in height recently?

Looking at the picture above this post, I'm...hesitant to believe 6'1". Looks closer to 5'11" or maybe 6'.

 

[West Coast Ace]

Djokovic is 6'2" - look at the level of the eyes - seems like about an inch - and Coric is leaning into the girl.

Thread in the Pro's Gear area - Coric to Head - might explain the issue with his rankings drop - new girlfriend.

 

[dgold44]

More interested in pumping weights maybe and thinking he will be a future boxer

He is super quick and tough defense game

He lacks any fire power

 

[dgold44]

He is identical to djokers game with less talent

 

[Rina]

Looking at the picture above this post, I'm...hesitant to believe 6'1". Looks closer to 5'11" or maybe 6'.

He looks close to Djokovic, but a bit shorter. He might grow some more, he is 19 and from all we seen Croatians are pretty tall, he must feel like he is pretty short for a Croatian, but I guess he is maybe not exactly 6'1" but close, IMO. Thanks for the photo.

 

[KingKyrgios]

whos the girl

 

[Gary Duane]

Pales in comparison to Ferrer who has a great, great return.

Looking at hard court dominance ratings coming into Miami, Coric was an appalling 96% winning 77% of his serve games and a measely 19% of return games (77 + 19 = 96%). This is better than last year which was 92 % (74 +18). 2015 Clay was 101% (79 + 22). If Coric can improve 2016 like he has done on hard he might be around 105% (82 + 23). Coric was 102% on points last year on clay (64 + 38).

For comparison Thiem 2015 on clay was 110% games dominance (83 + 27). Points was 106% (66 + 40).

By these numbers, Coric is improving so there is still reason for hope Borna fans. Borna just is not a great hard court player. With some luck he has a good chance to go pretty far on clay. If he gets his points numbers to 65 + 39 on clay next year he'll find his way on clay and might even get a title (we know he has the heart of a champion.)

I was expecting the numbers to show Borna's demise, they show the opposite. Have faith.

He's winning 49% of his points on HC this year. 48% I think last week. He's not going anywhere with these numbers. I'm very disappointed.

 

[MaiDee]

whos the girl

Borna and his sister Bruna

 

[Meles]

He's winning 49% of his points on HC this year. 48% I think last week. He's not going anywhere with these numbers. I'm very disappointed.

Improvement from last year, so if clay improved a bit then we'll see some nice victories.

 

[helterskelter]

Surely it should be 77 + 19 / 2 = 48%. And 74 + 19 / 2 = 46%. Talk of winning more than 100% of the games one plays just doesn't make sense.

Pales in comparison to Ferrer who has a great, great return.

Looking at hard court dominance ratings coming into Miami, Coric was an appalling 96% winning 77% of his serve games and a measely 19% of return games (77 + 19 = 96%). This is better than last year which was 92 % (74 +18). 2015 Clay was 101% (79 + 22). If Coric can improve 2016 like he has done on hard he might be around 105% (82 + 23). Coric was 102% on points last year on clay (64 + 38).

For comparison Thiem 2015 on clay was 110% games dominance (83 + 27). Points was 106% (66 + 40).

By these numbers, Coric is improving so there is still reason for hope Borna fans. Borna just is not a great hard court player. With some luck he has a good chance to go pretty far on clay. If he gets his points numbers to 65 + 39 on clay next year he'll find his way on clay and might even get a title (we know he has the heart of a champion.)

I was expecting the numbers to show Borna's demise, they show the opposite. Have faith.

 

[Meles]

Surely it should be 77 + 19 / 2 = 48%. And 74 + 19 / 2 = 46%. Talk of winning more than 100% of the games one plays just doesn't make sense.

Typical format by posters on this site is to add the two numbers and forego the division. It makes for a more readable number without a decimal point and avoids some rounding issues (ATP rounds to single digit). 100% is just breaking even with this convention. To win slams you typically need to be around 120 or higher on games dominance. Roddick average around 110 for most of his career. Murray is around the 115 mark typically for example. I showed the math behind the numbers without really describing this hoping it would at least make some sense to the uninitiated.

 

[helterskelter]

Typical format by posters on this site is to add the two numbers and forego the division. It makes for a more readable number without a decimal point and avoids some rounding issues (ATP rounds to single digit). 100% is just breaking even with this convention. To win slams you typically need to be around 120 or higher on games dominance. Roddick average around 110 for most of his career. Murray is around the 115 mark typically for example. I showed the math behind the numbers without really describing this hoping it would at least make some sense to the uninitiated.

I've seen it before, I just don't think it makes sense. If the combined number is going to be used, you should just forgo the "percent," given that the combined number is out of 200. Nothing wrong with saying 110/200, for example.