Discussion in 'Odds & Ends' started by Ross K, Aug 10, 2008.
Very surprised ManYoo got a draw! Second leg in the Munich fortress? Away goal?
They can't choke against a team as bad or as low on confidence and manu. What was the score between Athlectio and Barca last time they played in the league, 0-0. So they can hold Barca and the matches this season have all been close.
lol, they chocked against Inter that was 5 times lower in confidence and ambition than Man U is now, see how they got their asses kicked by Schalke 2 weeks later.
The league game in January at 0-0 was a totally different story with no pressure for points, regular championship games like in the middle of the season have nothing in common with a CL tie.
Courtois will save everything blindfolded whilst leaning up against one of the posts, whilst Costa will get 5 in the home game before announcing he's off to Chelsea in the summer.
Or Barcelona could win...
Guardiola once more making his experiments keeping Mandzukic in the bench, fortunately for Bayern he always put him to play when things are getting complicated. Martínez deserved to receive a red card.
Fellaini was once again a living disaster, losing ball easier than everyone and was mentioned that he failed in the goal. He is making Rafael looking a football god
Missed the match. Pretty bad result though (and Piggy out for the return leg). Last season with Heynckes we beat Barcelona 7-0 on aggregate, and now we can't beat this awful Manchester team?. :-?
Having been in talks with Barcelona over signing for them in the summer, todays news is very disappointing...
Watched Chelsea vs PSG and nearly died. Reus possibly missed Borussia only great chance.
The striker situation has been a problem for awhile, but with the Villa and Palace results Jose has just thrown in the towel with the lot of them it seems.
When we have to play Schurrle there, and he actually does a better job than Torres? That's when you know we've got issues.
We actually played well the first half, the stadium was silent, we kept getting the ball back, we just had nobody in the box. The game was there for the taking, just nobody there to do it.
Is Matic cup tied for the CL? Blues were crying out for his quality yesterday.
Agree, your boys did look good in the 1st half. PSG's sub's made a big difference. Dave had a hard time against Lucas' pace.
Ramires lucky not to get the 2nd yellow.
As long as he played in the Champions League this season for his ex-team, I don't even think I need to give a straight answer. :twisted:
Yeah Matic isn't available in Europe. Seeing us without him is like a throwback to the bad old days when i'd drive everyone crazy crying out for a midfielder. We still need another one as Ramires isn't good enough. He runs alot, but his football brain and his technique are both woeful. He can't pass, he can't shoot, he can't control the ball. To be in the engine room and not be able to control a pass, know what's around you and get rid of it quickly is unforgivable.
So yeah, someone to play alongside Matic and a striker or two is what's needed to compete at this level of the competition. When you think our options yesterday were Torres, Ba or Schurrle when PSG had Zlatan, Cavani, Lavezzi and what came off the bench? Total mismatch.
Great goal. Dunno why everyone's blaming Cech. A moment of brilliance from the sub.
Was a great goal tbf. Reminded me of Zola in his first season against Man Utd where Ferguson called him "a clever little so and so" was actually painting my bedroom walls with my Dad with it on the radio as a 7 year old, the people on the radio had never seen anything like it. Happy days.
Mandzukic's agent has held talks with Chelsea, interesting! Bayern want £16 Million for him, offloading Ba, Eto'o and getting Torres' wages off the books makes it easy to afford. Could be a good bit of business.
****, Mandzukic seems like he'd fit into that team perfectly, amazing hold up play that would possibly move Hazard up yet another level as well as actually scoring goals as a chelsea striker..Bayern should give him to Dortmund as an apology for tearing apart their team (attacking wise at least) last couple years I like that idea better.
Yeah, whenever i've seen him he's always looked like a great player. Guardiola's love for playing without a striker is strange, especially when you have one so good. He hardly gets a game as it is, with Lewandowski there he's got no chance.
Mandzukic and Costa would be great. Agree about Dortmund though, it's sad for German football that the League is over before the fixtures are even announced.
Chosen One has thrown down the gauntlet
Mourinho admits Chelsea are in the title race
April 4, 2014
Jose Mourinho has finally admitted Chelsea are in the title race, issuing a rallying cry that marks a significant shift in tone from the last few months.
After repeatedly insisting his side were primarily concerned with a top-four finish, it is pointed that Mourinho chose the week after they finally fell from top spot following a 1-0 defeat to Crystal Palace to declare that Chelsea "are there".
The Portuguese coach was asked about the fact that Liverpool and Manchester City have scored so many more goals than his team, but he insisted that it was not a concern.
"What I like is the fact [that] with such a difference in goals the difference in points is not so big," he said. "We have two points less than Liverpool and you're talking about a huge difference in goals that they have scored. We probably have a huge difference in goals we concede and they concede.
"We are there, two points behind Liverpool and two, three, four behind Man City. What's important for us, two years ago Chelsea finished 25 [points] behind the lead, last season 20 points, when Man United was champion.
"This season we are not 25, 20, 15 points behind. We are two points behind. Let's see the points difference at the end of the season. That's what I want to highlight and show that, even with difficulties, we can improve and we can start the next season thinking that we can do even better.
"We try to win the matches we have. We don't depend on us. We depend on others. I was saying [that] for a long time, even when we were top of the league with more matches than City. We were once in a position on [the] same number of points and matches. Top of the league, never.
"We were always in a future position. It doesn't depend on us. We had the beautiful match vs. Aston Villa and after that, the defeat vs. Crystal Palace. That put us in a position where we depend a lot on other results. What we can control is our motivation to win the matches we have. At the end of the season, let's see the points we have and the position we are."
Finally, Mourinho praised Brendan Rodgers as the perfect manager to guide Liverpool through this title race.
"I just feel they are a good team with special players in attack with a very good manager, with a privileged position of playing only one match per week and that's the only thing I can say," he added. "Their ambitions, responsibilities and their feelings - I think Brendan is the guy for it."
© ESPN Sports Media Ltd
Bayern losing to a mid-table team? Same again on Wednesday please!
Didn't they have some kind of party after the first leg? There were pictures of them all out drinking. No doubt it's something that happens more in Germany, with them going to Oktoberfest etc.. but that combined with them losing today, Man Utd looking like they've found a bit of form, you never know.
Chelsea have an equally difficult task against PSG with their advantage from the first leg, but there's still hope for 2 English sides in the semi finals, which would be a huge achievement with the way European football has gone the last few years.
Mourinnho Wants Terry To Stay At Chelsea
April 6, 2014
John Terry continued his good form in the victory over Stoke © Getty Images
Jose Mourinho has revealed he wants his captain John Terry to remain at the club and end his career at Stamford Bridge.
Terry continued his outstanding form in defence this season for Chelsea with an eighth successive clean sheet at home in all competitions as they returned to the top of the Premier League following a 3-0 win over Stoke, a result which brought an end to two defeats in the week after Chelsea suffered losses at Crystal Palace and Paris Saint-Germain.
Terry's contract expires in June, and Mourinho is confident that the 33-year-old will sign a new deal.
"The manager wants him to stay; the club know I want him to stay, the club want him to stay, he wants to stay, so normally he is staying," Mourinho said.
Chelsea have reportedly offered Terry a one-year extension with reduced wages, but it is believed Terry is demanding more.
While Mourinho has made his position clear over Terry, the manager insists he has no input in negotiations between the club and player.
"The only idea I have is that the manager wants him to stay but the contracts are between the player and the club, I never have any involvement in this. They will find the right moment," he said.
Another player who will be out of contract in the summer is Frank Lampard, and after scoring his 250th career goal in the win against Stoke says he has a few more years left in him.
"I am enjoying playing my football, I am loving it and seeing the development of the new squad and you become an older hand and help them, I am enjoying the role," the 35-year-old told Sky Sports.
"I have always said I want to play for another two or three years, at the minute and as long as I am fit and feeling fresh I will do that."
© ESPN Sports Media Ltd
^^^ Hmm... I always wondered how they would get on, wasn't Terry his "Brutus" a few years ago??
Mourinho needed the old guards more than ever, Lampard and Terry. I can't imagine Chelsea in the running for premiership (under Mourinho) without the likes of Frank and John.
Terry certainly on the playing front is needed, whilst Lampard plays more of a Giggs role these days. Great to have around the dressing room, an inspiration to the younger players and is dependable in the big games. Anyone who's captained a side to the Champions League commands respect afterall.
There are some good young players around them too. Hazard and Oscar, obviously. Willian, we've won 77% of games he's played, but only 58% of the ones he hasn't. Salah has also been amazing whenever he's played, hard to believe he's only 21. They call him the Egyptian Messi, no doubt he's a poor mans version, but he's got that style to his game for sure.
Throw in Azpilicueta, Matic, Schurrle etc.. we're doing ok. Two strikers and a partner for Matic are what's needed. Both need to have the character as much as anything, we need the goals and ability in the middle for sure, but a Drogba'esque leader and the authority of a Ballack are what we need to recreate. At the moment there are too many young players who don't fancy some games, which is to be expected, but it can be fixed. Often in the NFL players are drafted on character as much as skill, we need to take that position when recruiting this summer.
Mourinho was right when he said we're probably a year away, the experience they've had with the title race and seeing what Mourinho demands of his players will ensure they get there.
To move forward in Europe, Chelsea must draw on their history.
They must remember the anger they felt when Liverpool scored what Mourinho described as “the ghost goal” in 2005. They must recall the despair when John Terry slipped in Moscow’s Luzhniki, missing the penalty that gave Manchester United the initiative in the 2008 shoot-out. Some were not there but they know the story.
Before Mourinho’s players step out into that small tunnel, they must bring to mind the disgraceful episode of the muddle-headed officiating of Tom Henning Ovrebo in the 2009 semi-final against Barcelona.
However vile the response of certain Chelsea players and supporters towards the Norwegian, the memory of what Ovrebo did – or more significantly did not do – that night still rankles: he turned down four clear penalties for a foul by Dani Alves on Florent Malouda, the tugging of Didier Drogba’s shirt by Eric Abidal, and two handballs from Gerard Piqué and Samuel Eto'o.
Powerful emotions are easily found in Chelsea’s Champions League history. They need to summon up the spirit of 2012. Chelsea need the bloody-mindedness shown in the astonishing 4-1 extra-time home triumph over Napoli under Di Matteo, determination witnessed further when Terry idiotically got himself sent off against Barcelona but they still found a way through to the final. Even in Munich, trailing to Bayern, they fought back. That is the Chelsea way, never yielding, always believing.
3-1 down, concede and it's pretty much over.. C'mon Chelsea!
Well done to Chelsea, whose midfield pressured more intelligently than it did on the first match. As far as I'm concerned, I believe it was the decisive factor. As for Paris... it's easier when you play both halves. Special mention to Cavani, but you can't kill the match all the time so I won't resent him too much, but I think he should have done better.
I doff my hat to you sirs!
Cannot believe PSG came with that gameplan though...
In other news...
de Zeeuw becomes a copper? Interesteing and also heart warming.
didn't get to see either game but saw the highlights of bvb/madrid..Mkhitaryan's misses hurt to watch..
That post i made yesterday, the article from the paper, all the tough times in Europe that we came through? You can add another to the list!
After being only the second team in history to come back from a 3-1 deficit when we beat Napoli on the way to winning in 2012, we've done it again
As for PSG, they didn't impress me in either game. They have some incredible players who have moments of magic, but as a team? They don't have the heart, and they don't play together. Maybe part of that comes from playing in a League that isn't all that strong, it comes from experiences you go through together over the course of many seasons, which they aren't really getting in France.
Congratulations to the English, the only ones who don't want to leave Europe.
Pretty funny tweet by PSG's official Twitter account.
Funny indeed, but is it genuine?
I hope UKIP doesn't see it, LOL!
Apparently! Not really a follower of French teams on Twitter, but it's been reported like it is.
Here's one from tomorrows papers:
Terry, it has to be said, had been immense alongside Gary Cahill in the centre of that Chelsea defence.
There was no messing about. His performance over 90 minutes is, perhaps, unparalleled in this position all season.
No doubt Terry has been excellent, but Cahill? Wow, there was one point where he had 3 players surrounding him, he turned them all, ran past another, made a pass to Luiz who lost it and then Cahill chased it down and won it back again. Pleased for Azpilicueta playing a big part in the winner too, he's been incredible all season but to be doing it on the big stage is rewarding.
Oscar left the pitch in tears, god knows what he'll be like if we get to the final.
Bayern Munich 3 - 1 Man United
Atlético Madrid 1 - 0 Barcelona
Sorry to see that didn't work out for you like planned.
Now, what was that saying about pride and falling.....
What would happen if sir Brian´s red and white machine entered the Champions?
I mean, serious opinions...
In all seriousness, Barcelona have had a shocking season. I think they'll end up empty handed.
Such a fall from grace. Hopefully they can rise again, there's something about them that makes them lovable, PaulFCB trying hard to change that of course...
And then there were 4.
Should be an interesting draw, any team who've got this far can win it.
in current conditions, Tony Woodcock would get from Trevor Francis around 10 cear goal opportunities, converting 75%
Big deal, they both would've conceded one more since there were 2 clear penalties for Cesc and Adrian, but this referee is the most idiot specimen I've ever seen after the WC 2010 and Man United *** kissing, giving yellow cards after his own criteria and dubious decisions for penalties.
...And Atletico played amazing, not the best team, typically short players that are neither quicksters, Diego Simeone should be awarded already coach of the year ( not that he shouldn't have been int he top 3 in the past 2 years too ).
He's not the coach for Barca yet, so I don't want him as coach, but he should be considered by any top team even if they cost them more than their most expensive player ( Hint: #MoyesOut ).
Barcelona have nothing to reconsiderat this moment, at least till there's a top coach free to sign. Till then it's useless to change Tata because there isn't someone else. The team has made more than what it was expected at the beginning of the season after a summer when they refused to sign a defender, as long as they had the best 11 things went well, their incapability to sign at least 1 defender and replace Thiago in the midfield cost us a 7th consecutive semifinal, which against Bayern was worthless, especially without Victor.
The only idiotic move was changing Iniesta, but probably he wanted to keep Xavi for set pieces, in the rest, he couldn't do nothing as Atletico played like it was qualify or Kolyma, an attitude they totally missed so many years despite having probably even better players at moments.
I know Pirlo is a good free-kick taker, or that the distance is perfect for him, but still... :lol:
He pretty much served that free kick on a silver plate. Smooth, little power, all in touch.
Football close to it's worst between Atletico and Messi's team.
United have it's chances. Unfortunately for them, Rooney wasted his great chance and them Evra and Vidic failed in Munich's last two goals.
Bayern are without doubt the favourites, but they can be beaten imo.
Real Madrid have Ronaldo, which is a worry. Atletico are an unknown at this stage of the competition, maybe they get even better, maybe the pressure and unfamilitarity gets to them. Then there's Chelsea, the team who never know when they're beaten. So there's a a nice mix for the final 4 imo, 3 regulars and a new comer.
Personally, our defence, manager, home form, attitude, relationship with the competition and the ability to play so many different styles has me liking our chances against anyone.
As for the bookmakers, they have Bayern favourites, Real Madrid second, Atletico third and Chelsea the outsiders. Not too sure they've got that one right.
For me is Bayern, Chelsea, Atletico and certainly in last RM. Ronaldo is overrated, especially in a big match context IMHO.
I feel for Atletico.
They won't line up Courtois in the semi's, I really hope they make it to Lisbon and Aranzubia makes his best 2 matches ever while the defense will be just as good as it was against Barca in the 2nd leg ( the first leg was saved by Courtois ).
Maybe that Supercup from 2012 will give them hope, if Falcao destroyed them back then, it can be Diego Costa's turn.
PS: This may be excellent news: au.eurosport.com/football/champions-league/2012-2013/uefa-chelseas-courtois-clause-null-and-void_sto4209717/story.shtml
Parallel between Atletico CL Run and Stan Wawrinka at the Australian Open.
Last year was very close to beat the favorite ( Atletico vs. Barcelona in Supercup decided on an away goal / Stan in 2013 Aussie Open 4th Round long 5 setter decided at 12-10 )
Beats top player in Quarters, possibly favorite to win the title at the moment of play. ( Atletico vs. Barcelona in QF / Stan vs. Djoker in QF Aussie QF )
Easier Semi-Final though not piece of cake. ( Atletico vs. Chelsea / Stan vs. Berd )
Then plays the team in best form in the final, is clearly underdog and nobody believes in him, but something happens and takes the trophy. ( Atletico vs. Pepayern / Stan vs. Nadal ).
They're principle colors are Red & White ( Atl color / Swiss Flag )
Both are poorer than their compatriots and were kept in the shade ( Atl face to Barca and Real / Stan face to Roger )
They both grew thanks to the coach ( Atletico with Diego Simeone / Stan with Magnus )
Way too many parallels, let's go boys.
Ateltico looks like the best draw for us on paper, but i'm not so sure. We're always at our best when we are underdogs, they're also an unknown at this stage of the tournament. Who knows how they'll react at this level? They play Barcelona alot so it wasn't really a new thing, coming up against Chelsea is a totally different challenge, one they may do well with, or they could crumble.
The second leg being at Stamford Bridge is good for us. The atmosphere on European nights is incredible, and Mourinho always has the players drilled on knowing exactly what to do in each scenario. Will they be able to handle the blistering counter attacks? They've not played against a defence as good as ours, the direct and physical side from the likes of Schurrle and Ba if needed. The great Thiago Silva crumbled under the barrage of long balls being pumped into the box when we changed things as he's just not used to it, Atletico certainly don't come up against it in Spain. Courtois their rock in goal not being there will also add some confusion to the mix.
So yeah, quietly confident. Either way, hopefully the winner of it all comes from that tie
I just posted a link with Thibaut, UEFA says he can play without Atletico paying Chelsea.
Separate names with a comma.