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BlackSilver

Semi-Pro
Uh, they beat Bayern 4-0 at the Allianz, scoring 6 against an inferior team is not out of the question.
Match-up issue, plus Bayern's loss of form, plus lucky. The chances of RM scoring 6 against Chelsea or any reasonable team isn't much different from one percent
 

Feña14

Legend
I agree, context is key with regards to Hazard's statement but Mourinho's is clear, no misinterpretation there.

I'm surprised though, the journos probably set a trap for him...

All in all, storm in a teacup. He'll line up for the Blues next season, no doubt.
Yeah, when he came i'd said in this thread that he would be at Real Madrid within 2-3 seasons. Looks like his wife fancies PSG though, but he's probably got another year at Chelsea before that.

Jose was right in what he said to be fair to him, he did make the mistakes in losing his man which resulted in a couple of goals. Mourinho wasn't going to blast him in public, but after his comments, he opened himself up to them. Mourinho could of not reacted, but the players would lose respect for him if he just took it.

Hazard says he wants to be up there with Ronaldo, who the night before put in a great performance in a counter attacking team that beat the defending Champions, showing it can be done. Hazard was probably just frustrated at being knocked out, not being fully fit and losing his man for a couple of goals, he's still very young and he'll learn.
 

Anaconda

Hall of Fame
BTW does anyone know why Casillas only plays CL matches yet gets left out of the league? Is it so Ancelotti keeps two very good keepers happy and fresh? I can't believe its' due to Casillas performing better in CL matches. Anyone have any insight to this?
 

forthegame

Hall of Fame
BTW does anyone know why Casillas only plays CL matches yet gets left out of the league? Is it so Ancelotti keeps two very good keepers happy and fresh? I can't believe its' due to Casillas performing better in CL matches. Anyone have any insight to this?
Personally, I think it's an attempt to keep Casillas happy. He got sidelined in a very big way so playing CL is the only option for Ancelotti. The other guy, what's his name?, has been playing well IIRC.
 

Feña14

Legend
Personally, I think it's an attempt to keep Casillas happy. He got sidelined in a very big way so playing CL is the only option for Ancelotti. The other guy, what's his name?, has been playing well IIRC.
Yeah Mourinho made the change last season, Lopez came in when Casillas was injured and he made the position his own. Ancelotti has continued it.
 

forthegame

Hall of Fame
Atletico!!!!!

Atletico have slipped up. Big time! I guess the CL took its toll. Real to win La Liga. Aargh!!

I like Real, just want a change!
 

Feña14

Legend
You couldn't make this up!

Man City will probably draw tomorrow, both will draw on the final day, with Chelsea beating Cardiff 17-0 and winning it on goal difference.

Or City could just walk it :)
 

liam1

New User
Yup. Villa and West Ham at home for the title? Easy.

You'd say they've deserved it, just. Liverpool's incredible run and Chelsea's record against the big teams means any one of them would of been worthy imo.
Sad thing is Chelsea's record against the big teams could be even better if Maureen wasn't so cautious. Played for a draw early in the season at Old Trafford against the worst Man U team for a long,long time and did the same at the Emirates. Chelsea were more than capable of winning both matches and wouldn't they just love to have those extra 4 pts now.
 

crosscourt

Professional
Man U still very much rubbish.
Utterly terrible. Comparisons between Giggs and Guardiola seem even less compelling.

Apparently Van Gaal is likely to be the next manager. A great manager no doubt. But does no one else long for Brian Robson to be given the job? Or for a return to the glory days of English football management when it was all about birds, booze, small cigars and men in fur coats bragging about their choppers. Is the Wenger mystique -- that its all about passing the ball and finishing fourth -- really still so powerful?

Is there really no UKIP effect in the national game?

o tempora o mores
 

Feña14

Legend
^^^^^^

Bring back Ron Atkinson for another go!

Sad thing is Chelsea's record against the big teams could be even better if Maureen wasn't so cautious. Played for a draw early in the season at Old Trafford against the worst Man U team for a long,long time and did the same at the Emirates. Chelsea were more than capable of winning both matches and wouldn't they just love to have those extra 4 pts now.
We can always look back on the missed opportunities, both Chelsea and Liverpool will have all summer for that :) the dropped points against Newcastle, West Brom twice, West Ham, Villa, Palace, Sunderland, Norwich, Stoke etc.. those will be the ones!

We have a very good team, but probably not the one best equipped to win the title. The League is a true test for a team, we've come up a little bit short.
 

Vcore89

G.O.A.T.
Hello boys, Man City or Liverpool for the Premiership? Sad for my Chelsea (that's why I chose not to watch any Chelsea match the last 2weeks) BUT Mourinho and company will do better next season with Hazard and Matic plus Azpilicueta and Oscar (perhaps) the face of the future (I can only hope...and if Chelsea don't win it next season I will call The One, ''Maureen'' myself! Just kidding.). Happy watching.;)
 
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Feña14

Legend
Hello boys, Man City or Liverpool for the Premiership? Sad for my Chelsea (that's why I chose not to watch any Chelsea match the last 2weeks) BUT Mourinho and company will do better next season with Hazard and Matic plus Azpilicueta and Oscar (perhaps) the face of the future (I can only hope...and if Chelsea don't win it next season I will call The One, ''Maureen'' myself! Just kidding.). Happy watching.;)
Hoping City finish it off, but the way the season has gone i'm fully expecting a surprise or two tomorrow.
 

Vcore89

G.O.A.T.
Hoping City finish it off, but the way the season has gone i'm fully expecting a surprise or two tomorrow.
I'm for Man City at this point in time but it's been too long for Liverpool so I'm fine with them winning the premiership too. Man City is odds-on favourite!
 

Feña14

Legend
I'm for Man City at this point in time but it's been too long for Liverpool so I'm fine with them winning the premiership too. Man City is odds-on favourite!
Congratulations City. With the games they had in hand they had it in their own hands for the majority of the season, but they still had to win the games.
 

Vcore89

G.O.A.T.
Congratulations City. With the games they had in hand they had it in their own hands for the majority of the season, but they still had to win the games.
Man City deserves it!

What do you think of Mourinho's self assessment that he's job isn't secure? Mind games? Mourinho even picked Dzeko over Suarez, um-hmm.:) I know he covets either one or both.

Now, Hazard, Matic, Azpilicueta and Oscar for star billing!;)
 

PureAlph4

Semi-Pro
Congratz to Citeh.

What on earth is going on in La Liga? Is running deep in the CL catching up with the top three teams?

Either way, makes for a fantastic final day.
 

forthegame

Hall of Fame
I cannot believe Atletico have blown it! Could've won the title today. I expect barca to do them next week and win instead.
I really wanted a change to business as usual.
 

Feña14

Legend
Mourinho even picked Dzeko over Suarez, um-hmm.:)
Suarez has been great, but he's not really done it in the big games. Dzeko has scored some really crucial goals and stepped in when Aguero went down and Negredo lost form. You could make a real case for Dzeko imo.

My vote would of gone to Toure personally.
 

Vcore89

G.O.A.T.
Suarez has been great, but he's not really done it in the big games. Dzeko has scored some really crucial goals and stepped in when Aguero went down and Negredo lost form. You could make a real case for Dzeko imo.

My vote would of gone to Toure personally.
Toure, yes but they could've not done it without Kompany.
 

norbac

Legend
Well, I guess it did slip, huh Gerrard?

Nice to see Wilshere and Diaby back. Wilshere looked pretty damn decent and the reaction Diaby got every time he got a touch was great.
 
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Feña14

Legend
Well, I guess it did slip, huh Gerrard?

Nice to see Wilshere and Diaby back. Wilshere looked pretty damn decent and the reaction Diaby got every time he got a touch was great.
Forget about them, Ramsey is the man! What a goal again yesterday. Hopefully he stays fit next season.
 

Feña14

Legend
Would love to see Ramsey healthy for the whole of next season.

Also expect Wilshere to step it up some.
Wonder if he'll start at the World Cup. For me it has to be Gerrard and Henderson for the first game, they've built up a great relationship. The first 11 is actually pretty strong imo. Like Lambert, Wilshere and Barkley off the bench too.

The bench is a bit thin in defence though, never really rated Smalling and Jones personally. Cole is such a good defender and it's a shame he's not going to see out games. Shaw has potential and i'm a big fan, but neither he nor Baines are particularly strong defensively. You can see the best wide players in the world tearing us apart from those areas.
 

Feña14

Legend
Fena, do you think selling Mata was more of a hindrance to Chelsea in the end?
Not really, no. Our problem was slowing things down too much and not getting into wide areas. Teams just put everyone behind the ball knowing we don't have a striker who can make things happen.

Mata is a great player, but he likes to slow things down, he's not great on the counter, didn't defend (we saw what happened against Atletico when Hazard had a night off from tracking back).

So yeah, he's a great player, but he needed to go to bring in money to strengthen weak areas and his style doesn't really fit in to what we are trying to do long term.

What's interesting is the games we've played our best football this year have been when Schurrle was at his best. His power, the way he runs at people, the energy, gets out wide, scores goals etc.. Hopefully he can be a bit more consistent with it next year.
 

Rivers Scott

New User
Wonder if he'll start at the World Cup. For me it has to be Gerrard and Henderson for the first game, they've built up a great relationship. The first 11 is actually pretty strong imo. Like Lambert, Wilshere and Barkley off the bench too.

The bench is a bit thin in defence though, never really rated Smalling and Jones personally. Cole is such a good defender and it's a shame he's not going to see out games. Shaw has potential and i'm a big fan, but neither he nor Baines are particularly strong defensively. You can see the best wide players in the world tearing us apart from those areas.
I agree. I'm no great Cole fan (Spurs supporter) but the decision not to take him is a very poor one in my opinion. Plenty of time for Shaw after the World Cup.
 

Feña14

Legend
I agree. I'm no great Cole fan (Spurs supporter) but the decision not to take him is a very poor one in my opinion. Plenty of time for Shaw after the World Cup.
Yeah it's a strange one. Azpilicueta has said part of his improvement this year is from training with Cole and the advice he gave. Shaw having a month or two with Cole to learn would of made him a better player.

All 3 could of gone really, Baines and Shaw are great going forward and could of played in front of Cole where they didn't have to defend as much. The lack of wide players outside the starting 11 (Sterling and Lallana) would of made that a good option imo.

Also Cole takes a good penalty, as England fans that's always in the back of the mind :) Lambert, Rooney, Gerrard, Lampard, Baines and Cole is a pretty good line up for when a shoot out inevitably happens.
 

Feña14

Legend
What you expect of him?
Our 3 strikers between them scored 19 all season. Our rivals had double that, Liverpool nearly triple with just 2 strikers.

We need more goals and someone who will scare defenders. Mourinho kept trying the "false 9" because that's basically what we were playing when we did have a striker on the pitch, defenders didn't need to worry about Torres, they just went after the attacking 3 behind him because they were the only threat. Having a big, physical striker that the centre backs have to keep an eye on will open up so many things. That's the plan!
 

Feña14

Legend
Have to say, watching the Europa League final side by side with the U21 Premier League final, the Premier League kids produced way more entertainment imo, both Man Utd and Chelsea have some serious talent coming through.
 

SempreSami

Hall of Fame
What are you talking about? Goalmout scrambles with four blocks in ten seconds, dodgy refereeing, 100mph counter attacking and a keeper coming a mile off his line to save two penalties. Mad final, gutted for Benfica though.
 

BlackSilver

Semi-Pro
Our 3 strikers between them scored 19 all season. Our rivals had double that, Liverpool nearly triple with just 2 strikers.

We need more goals and someone who will scare defenders. Mourinho kept trying the "false 9" because that's basically what we were playing when we did have a striker on the pitch, defenders didn't need to worry about Torres, they just went after the attacking 3 behind him because they were the only threat. Having a big, physical striker that the centre backs have to keep an eye on will open up so many things. That's the plan!
Well, Eto can do that, can't he? :)
 

Breaker

Legend
If it weren't for the lack of Lampard mentions I'd be convinced Fena wrote this, scathing attack on stevie g.


http://www.sundayworld.com/sport/opinion/roy-curtis/why-stevie-g-is-most-self-obsessed-footballer-of-his-generation

AS Liverpool buckled this past fortnight, the scale of the surrender to sentiment and the Great Myth of Steven Gerrard became apparent.

Essentially the leader who went AWOL at the decisive hour, who could offer only blubbering sobs when his troops needed direction, who abandoned his post in the heat of battle, somehow emerged with a Purple Heart pinned to his tear-stained chest.

Even the Fourth Estate chose to raise the white flag to the fairy story of Stevie G when the Football Writers’ Association arrived at the absurd conclusion that here was the second-best performer in the Premier League over the past nine months.

Straight faces were maintained at their London hooley as they deemed Gerrard’s body of work superior to Eden Hazard and, quite preposterously, Yaya Toure, the peerless touchstone against whom every midfield portfolio must be measured.

Distil the difference between Manchester City and Liverpool down to its essence, investigate why the former lifted the title on Sunday as the latter wallowed in a river of misery, and it is impossible to walk away from a pair of damning conclusions.

Firstly, the team that the Kop, in its ravenous hunger for a new age of prosperity, chose to prematurely deem soldiers of destiny, cannot defend: Liverpool leaked 23 goals more than Chelsea, 12 more than City, seven more, even, than a hapless Manchester United.

Secondly, in terms of leadership and inspiration at critical junctures from its midfield talisman, the contribution of Toure – one which goes way beyond his stunning 20 league goals input – dwarfs that of Gerrard, renders it a nothing.

These two flaws fatally merged at Crystal Palace when Gerrard, deemed Europe’s pre-eminent controlling midfielder by his manager, became the very opposite, a vision of disorganised chaos, as the Eagles landed three killer blows.

This is not to say that Gerrard had a poor season, not at all. But to deem him among the brightest stars in the season’s constellation is simply a work of fiction, a sop to saccharine-induced nostalgia.

It says much for the Englishman’s genius for self-promotion that he would garner more first preference votes than the transcendent Ivorian in the Player of the Year poll conducted by those who scribble about the game on a daily basis.

Here is a triumph of mush over substance, the creation of the greatest fable since the days of Aesop.

Perhaps the writers, like Gerrard himself against Chelsea in what has emerged as the defining image of the season and a treasure trove for parody, had suffered a cataclysmic, collective and concussive slip that had scrambled their senses.

Liverpool fans tend to rewrite history when it comes to the player who did just about everything in his power to board the Chelsea express in 2004 (Google his quotes from that time) until thuggish threats to his family persuaded him to step back.

And in the process Gerrard has become half man, half folk-ballad.

Second-best in England this season? He wasn’t even remotely close to being second best at his own club.

In truth, he ranked somewhere between the fourth and eighth most valuable player at Liverpool.

Unquestionably adrift of Luis Suarez, Daniel Sturridge and Raheem Sterling, any honest internal poll would have him jostling with Jordan Henderson, Philippe Coutinho and Simon Mignolet for the minor placings in a thrilling year of rebirth.

Gerrard was not in the top 20 performers in England.

Of those who can loosely be termed midfielders, he trailed Toure, Hazard, David Silva, Willian, Fernandinho, Adam Lallana, Santi Cazorla and, perhaps, Henderson. Aaron Ramsey in his three months of fitness was a vividly more stellar figure.

Those who observed Gerrard’s comically inept display against Aston Villa at Anfield in January could only assume Brendan Rodgers had spent the evening socialising with the ghosts of Hunter S Thompson, Oliver Reed and George Best when he recently deemed Gerrard “the best in European football in a controlling role”.

Where was the control when he keeled over like a bullet-ridden Bambi against Chelsea?

If that was a cruel taunt from the heavens, there was no outside influence as Liverpool blew that three-goal lead at Palace last week.

A holding midfielder of substance – a Keane, a Vieira, – would have stood up in the face of such impertinence from the underclasses, would have stamped their authority on the south London turf and crushed any hint of a proletariat uprising.

Gerrard – all General MacArthur in his public utterances before the game – merely dissolved into the night.

The man who has shamelessly played to the Sky Sports lens these past few weeks was suddenly pushing the camera away, railing against the very intrusions he had not only invited, but demanded after each decisive Liverpool step forward.

It is true he enjoyed a memorable afternoon as City were downed, but would that helter-skelter contest have followed the same storyline had the immense Toure not been ambushed by injury in the early minutes?

If Rodgers in that earlier quote was referring to his skipper’s capacity to “control” the perceptions surrounding him then perhaps he had a point.

Gerrard is England’s captain and he is peerless at one aspect of the modern game: Feeding the Great Myth.

Whether it is through tears or fist-pumping rallying cries or the smitten, innocent-in-love badge kissing, he creates the illusion of being the ultimate team-player.

In truth, Gerrard is a credible rival to Cristiano Ronaldo and Zlatan Ibrahimovich for the title of most self-obsessed footballer of his generation.

Yet so many fall for the great delusion of Stevie G, the unbending one-club man.

Whether it is turning on the tear-taps or morphing into Russell Crowe after the victory over City when gathering his players in a post-match huddle for his mortifying Gladiator speech, his genius is to cultivate this image as Liverpool’s bastion.

He is the selfless hero, the fearless superintendent, the upholder of standards, the solid Scouser, the forever loyal Red, the man who will keep the darkness at bay.

The only problem is when the truth intrudes upon the narrative.

Like when night fell for Liverpool supporters on Sunday as City – despite being stripped of their world-class striker for most of the season – were crowned champions for the second time in three seasons.

Led by Toure, a midfield player from a different continent to Gerrard by birth; and a different planet when it comes to leadership and achievement.
 

hawk eye

Hall of Fame
Well while I think the author is taking it a little too far, he makes some valid points here. I always believed that Gerard wasn't as good as the media were making him to be. And the motivation act after the win against City was certainly way over the top.
Lampard is a notch above him in term over overall quality, just a more effictive player. And Toure this season was a whole level above him.
 

Feña14

Legend
Well, Eto can do that, can't he? :)
Eto'o has actually been a nice addition for a season. He's showed glimpses of his former greatness with some trademark finishes and big goals. Those usually came in the big games and at home. We have struggled against the so called weaker teams and he's not really done it in those games.

We need someone with physical presence, someone with a nasty edge to them, who scares defenders, can hold the ball up and bring the smaller players behind him into the game and can find a way to score.

We've still not replaced Drogba, whilst Costa probably isn't going to be another Drogba, one of the all time Premier League greats, he has similar qualities.

If it weren't for the lack of Lampard mentions I'd be convinced Fena wrote this, scathing attack on stevie g.

http://www.sundayworld.com/sport/opinion/roy-curtis/why-stevie-g-is-most-self-obsessed-footballer-of-his-generation
Ha, you've found me out! Have to agree with parts of it though, in all seriousness. He is the darling of the media and is a bit overrated imo, he gets away with things no other player could. Can you imagine the noise people would be making if Terry had of given a speech to the team on the pitch after the game? He would of been crucified, probably rightly so as it's not the time or the place and it does scream of "look at me".

As for second best player of the year? No chance. Have to agree with what he says about Suarez, Sturridge and Sterling being better. Even Henderson, Coutinho and Mignolet have edged him. That's actually a good thing for Liverpool though, they're young and the future and all had break out years.

Have to agree about Toure being head and shoulders above this season, how he didn't win player of the year i've no idea. He's like Viera on steriods, it's almost like those days where we used to play fifa and i'd destroy you. Having Toure in your team is almost unfair ;)
 

Feña14

Legend
The German media are saying Bayern want Luiz, for Mandzukic and £24.5 Million. Sounds good to me!

Spend the money on a genuine midfield partner for Matic and get a striker on top. Makes too much sense not to.
 

forthegame

Hall of Fame
The German media are saying Bayern want Luiz, for Mandzukic and £24.5 Million. Sounds good to me!

Spend the money on a genuine midfield partner for Matic and get a striker on top. Makes too much sense not to.
What are Chelsea fans drinking? Get rid of Luiz??
 

Feña14

Legend
What are Chelsea fans drinking? Get rid of Luiz??
Unfortunately it needs to happen. We have some serious talent at centre back in Kalas, Christensen, Zouma and Chalobah. Luiz in midfield is OK, but there are better and more natural players who know that position out there.

On top of that we need goal scorers, which Mandzukic is. The need to comply with FFP means someone of value will have to make way in order to strengthen our weak areas.
 
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